Mark Davis — just leave!

Sleet said:
There’s truth to that, especially as to FA, where there should be less guess work. As to the draft, many things affect performance versus expectations: concensus view, actual talent, mental ability to adapt/convert from college game to NFL, coaching, scheme fit overtime, etc. Because of all the variables, I don’t put bad drafting just on the GM. It’s one reason why I think it’s okay to judge a draft class based on information then-available, even after the draft.

For example, the RB debate does not depend on performance. It’s a low value position group regardless.

Bech was a reach even had he performed better. That he didn’t is the downside of trading down, picking for need.

SpyGuy ended up with two extra comp 3rds, which was a plus regardless of spend. He then spent the picks on the OL—ending position runs at both OT and OG. To me, he played that well. I’m optimistic about both picks.

I’m goofy for measurables, so Porter in the 3rd and Thornton in the 4th worked for me. Hemingway was a reach but apparently fit what the D wanted and Pegues was a Day 3 steal (for whatever that’s worth). Missing on 6th and 7th round picks is immaterial.

This year, I doubt 10 rookies make the team even if they all play well. We already have a young team. I’d rather end up with 8 better players. That’s going to affect my overall view of the class.
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I believe 7 out of the 10 2026 draft picks were reaches.
 
Sleet said:
You are such a doofus. :chuckle:

Yes, I’m not that arrogant (although that was not the implication of your post).

As an attorney, you represent with the information available. Being right or wrong is not the point of a trial. It’s what the jury believes, not what actually happened.

As a fan, I similarly represent. All of it is speculation or projection until a game is played. I’ll let others do the misery thing. That’s no fun.
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It's OK to be wrong but there is something to be said for never going full retard.
 
Bunyan said:
I believe 7 out of the 10 2026 draft picks were reaches.
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Hmmm. Is a Day 3 pick really a “reach”? Even if so, where did you get the number 7 from? Certainly not from the concensus view of SpyGuy’s ‘25 draft (in parentheses).
  1. 1.6 Jeanty (1.3)
  2. 2.58 Bech (2.58)
  3. 3.68 Porter (3.69)
  4. 3.98 Rogers (5.172)
  5. 3.99 Grant (3.86)
  6. 4.108 Thornton (5.166)
  7. 4.135 Hemingway (7.222)
  8. 6.180 Pegues (5.162)
  9. 6.213 Mellott (UDFA)
  10. 6.215 Miller (UDFA)
  11. 7.221 Lindenberg (7.223)
 
Sleet said:
Hmmm. Is a Day 3 pick really a “reach”? Even if so, where did you get the number 7 from? Certainly not from the concensus view of SpyGuy’s ‘25 draft (in parentheses).
  1. 1.6 Jeanty (1.3)
  2. 2.58 Bech (2.58)
  3. 3.68 Porter (3.69)
  4. 3.98 Rogers (5.172)
  5. 3.99 Grant (3.86)
  6. 4.108 Thornton (5.166)
  7. 4.135 Hemingway (7.222)
  8. 6.180 Pegues (5.162)
  9. 6.213 Mellott (UDFA)
  10. 6.215 Miller (UDFA)
  11. 7.221 Lindenberg (7.223)
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I was referring to the 2026 draft.
 
Bunyan said:
I was referring to the 2026 draft.
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IDK how you’re defining reach. Per McShay, there was one (Zuhn). Per consensus, there were three early picks (unless you look at position runs in real time) and one reach, seems to me. How do you get seven?

1.1 (1.1) QB Fernando
2.38 (2.60) S Stukes
3.67 (3.90) Edge Crawford
3.91 (4.110) OG Zuhn
4.101 (1.14) CB McCoy
4.121 (2.74) RB Washington
5.150 (7.226) S D. Johnson
5.175 (5.166) CB Masses
6.195 (7.229) WR Benson
7.229 (7.253) DT Cleveland
 
DonkeyKilla said:
Reaches are defined by where draftniks thought they should go not play on the field.
@Sleet would have the data on whether a pick should be considered a reach or not.
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Some view a “reach” as being more than a round early. To me, it varies depending upon the round. But either way, SpyGuy did not have 7 reaches by any definition of which I’m aware.
 
Sleet said:
Some view a “reach” as being more than a round early. To me, it varies depending upon the round. But either way, SpyGuy did not have 7 reaches by any definition of which I’m aware.
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Most of the draftniks had Vegas with one of the best draft classes if that means anything. There were no terrible reaches there.
 
I doubt anyone outside of football even has enough information to call someone a reach outside of the first couple of rounds.
 
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