Make your pick ! @13

[Birdwell]

Mayfield is an interesting question. I’d probably take the opportunity for higher upside with one of the QBs in the draft but assuming that isn’t an option, I’d might trade 13 for 5 years of cost controlled Baker Mayfield. I’m not 100 percent sure the variance in his play qualifies as someone you can win with though. I don’t necessarily think you target a JAG anyway, but it’s not a failure if you end up with a solid but not spectacular starter at the position at the cost of a single draft pick because of the financial resources it frees up for the rest of the team.

Regarding the opportunity cost, again, we’re back to the real definition of value. Will Shields is one of the best to ever do it at his position while Phillip Rivers is not quite HOF worthy by most accounts, but who would you draft first? I’m taking Rivers 10 out of 10. Better player doesn’t always equate to better value.

Your last point is a bit hyperbolic. You have to at least feel comfortable that a guy can be a 5 year starter for this to even be a conversation. The majority of this forum expects Rattler will be out of the league in 5 years. The premise was “can you win with this guy with the right supporting cast” as the acceptable floor for a first round QB. I suppose if a team felt Rattler was that guy, it would make sense for them to draft him in the first round.

Football is a team sport. Not sold on any QB in this draft as sure-fire 10 year top-12 QB. Nor most years.

Taking an argument to its logical conclusion is necessarily extreme. Still, any team not making the playoffs, if your argument is employed, will likely take any day one/day two QB in round one wherever they pick.

To be a top tier QB, you need to make teams pay for sending extra rushers, be able to throw short and deep and to the boundary and down the middle, have enough escapability to make yardage on scrambles. All that on top of being a leader. The pressure stats were posted, best of the bunch was JJ.

Because he comes closest to hitting all the boxes, JJ is my highest ceiling/highest floor QB. Then Daniels. Then a big fall to Maye, then Williams. Then a bigger fall to Nix and Penix. Williams shows all signs of a me-first punk like Ryan Leaf.

 

[Chris_77]

Football is a team sport. Not sold on any QB in this draft as sure-fire 10 year top-12 QB. Nor most years.

Taking an argument to its logical conclusion is necessarily extreme. Still, any team not making the playoffs, if your argument is employed, will likely take any day one/day two QB in round one wherever they pick.

To be a top tier QB, you need to make teams pay for sending extra rushers, be able to throw short and deep and to the boundary and down the middle, have enough escapability to make yardage on scrambles. All that on top of being a leader. The pressure stats were posted, best of the bunch was JJ.

Because he comes closest to hitting all the boxes, JJ is my highest ceiling/highest floor QB. Then Daniels. Then a big fall to Maye, then Williams. Then a bigger fall to Nix and Penix. Williams shows all signs of a me-first punk like Ryan Leaf.

I agree it’s a team sport, hence the desire to get a starter on a rookie deal to keep cash available to spend elsewhere. Tying up significant money on a non elite QB is one of the biggest wastes in sports.

Regarding the extremism point, that’s just bad faith discussion. Nobody is suggesting drafting Joe Milton in the first round, which I’ve already clarified. This isn’t a discussion about what you or I individually think of these prospects, it’s about positional value and the acceptable downside of taking a QB in the first round. I’m ok if we draft Nix and he becomes a cost controlled Andy Dalton for 4-5 years, even at the expense of a higher ceiling player at another position.

 

[007]

Tying up significant money on a non elite QB is one of the biggest wastes in sports.

We did this for 10 years and @Birdwell drank it up like a delicious milkshake every single year.

Draft a guy. This shit aint complicated.

 

[MOE'S JILTED LOVER 818]

I’m ok if we draft Nix and he becomes a cost controlled Andy Dalton for 4-5 years, even at the expense of a higher ceiling player at another position.

I wouldn't be OK or happy winding up with a cost controlled Andy Dalton for 4-5 years, but accept that that's a possible outcome and think we need to take a swing regardless.

 

[MOE'S JILTED LOVER 818]

Who's to say the player at another position with a higher ceiling isn't going to wind up disappointing ?

Get a QB.

 

[Crossbones]

Take shot. If it works it works. If it doesn’t try again next year.

 

[Jayl]

I agree it’s a team sport, hence the desire to get a starter on a rookie deal to keep cash available to spend elsewhere. Tying up significant money on a non elite QB is one of the biggest wastes in sports.

Regarding the extremism point, that’s just bad faith discussion. Nobody is suggesting drafting Joe Milton in the first round, which I’ve already clarified. This isn’t a discussion about what you or I individually think of these prospects, it’s about positional value and the acceptable downside of taking a QB in the first round. I’m ok if we draft Nix and he becomes a cost controlled Andy Dalton for 4-5 years, even at the expense of a higher ceiling player at another position.

My luck, Denver will take Nix at 12 and kick our ass for the next 10 years.

 

[Sleet]

Draft a guy. This shit aint complicated.

That’s my concern . . . a guy . . . on Day 2 or 3.

 

[Sleet]

Take shot. If it works it works. If it doesn’t try again next year.

The T3 teams needing QB, T4 drooling over a WR, T5 being a rival, and T6 needing a QB kinda makes it hard to get QB1-QB4.

The shot we’re looking at is a QB5 with medicals and QB6 was some apparent issue I’ve yet heard explain with much clarity. But apparently he had rough interviews at the combine.

 

[Crossbones]

The T3 teams needing QB, T4 drooling over a WR, and T5 being a rival, and T6 needing a QB kinda makes it hard to get into the T4 for a QB.

The shot we’re looking at is a QB5 with medicals and QB6 was some apparent issue I’ve yet heard explain with much clarity. But apparently he had rough interviews at the combine.

We’re in a tough spot. Doesn’t change anything. We have to try and find a QB. If we can’t get our main target we gotta go to Plan B and swing for the fences. Maybe we get lucky. Have to try in any case.

 

[MOE'S JILTED LOVER 818]

Take shot. If it works it works. If it doesn’t try again next year.

That's pretty much it. If we make the big move up....we better fucking hit, because we won;t have the luxury of just trying again next year. If we sit at 13 and take Nix or Penix and miss....it won't be the end of the world.

I'm good with going 'all in' or standing pat at 13....but take a fucking shot.

 

[Crossbones]

That's pretty much it. If we make the big move up....we better fucking hit, because we won;t have the luxury of just trying again next year. If we sit at 13 and take Nix or Penix and miss....it won't be the end of the world.

I'm good with going 'all in' or standing pat at 13....but take a fucking shot.

Rams agree. They haven’t had a first round pick in like six years. They won a SB and are back in the mix already.

 

[DonkeyKilla]

The T3 teams needing QB, T4 drooling over a WR, T5 being a rival, and T6 needing a QB kinda makes it hard to get QB1-QB4.

The shot we’re looking at is a QB5 with medicals and QB6 was some apparent issue I’ve yet heard explain with much clarity. But apparently he had rough interviews at the combine.

who's QB6 in this scenario, Nix?

 

[Birdwell]

We did this for 10 years and @Birdwell drank it up like a delicious milkshake every single year.

Draft a guy. This shit aint complicated.

A bottom five doesn't win many games no matter the QB. While the former #4 never took the team to the promised land, his contract did not mess up signing anyone else. If you have evidence -- bring it and I'l accept it. The only one I can think of is Mack, and his career in Chicago showed that that was crazy money.

You're the WR guy. So yeah, just grab a QB whatever.

If the QB available at our spot or in a trade-up the team is willing to make is the guy Getsy and Adams and AP want, good. Crapshoot, anyway but those people know more about the game and infinitely more about the prospects than we do.

On the other hand, a solid RT, and a solid RG can make a lesser QB look good and help the run game -- which also makes any QB look good.

I'm serious, Nix owed a percentage of his success to knowing JPJ was on the job.

 

[Jayl]

I'm serious, Nix owed a percentage of his success to knowing JPJ was on the job.

Right. How many other top QB's have linemen who they could add to their success?

 

[Madturk]

Take shot. If it works it works. If it doesn’t try again next year.

I'd even take a flyer on Rattler if we don't get one of the top 6. Who knows, we might get lucky for a change.

 

[Sleet]

I'd even take a flyer on Rattler if we don't get one of the top 6. Who knows, we might get lucky for a change.

Has traits. Just needs to develop—learn protections, read D, take care of the ball, and anticipate and throw receivers open. I’d take a flyer.

 

[Madturk]

Has traits. Just needs to develop—learn protections, read D, take care of the ball, and anticipate and throw receivers open. I’d take a flyer.

I just want a guy who's not a statue and is not afraid to take off when things go south.

 

[Chris_77]

I just want a guy who's not a statue and is not afraid to take off when things go south.

Rattler is Gannon fast. He’s not going to do anything game breaking with his legs but he’ll move around in the pocket and pick up a first down if it’s there to be had. He’s also probably got the most experience running pro style schemes if that’s important to someone. Maybe McCarthy depending on what you think a “pro” scheme is. He’s also the smallest guy and it’s pretty hard to separate bad play from him vs. how shitty SC was the last couple of years. Curious to see where he ends up.

 

[Nobodyinparticular]

Rattler is Gannon fast. He’s not going to do anything game breaking with his legs but he’ll move around in the pocket and pick up a first down if it’s there to be had. He’s also probably got the most experience running pro style schemes if that’s important to someone. Maybe McCarthy depending on what you think a “pro” scheme is. He’s also the smallest guy and it’s pretty hard to separate bad play from him vs. how shitty SC was the last couple of years. Curious to see where he ends up.

Rich Gannon ran a fucking 4.5 40 before people were actually training for the 40.

Dude was supposed to be a CB or S with the Vikings.

Rattler ran the same 40 that Kolton fucking Miller ran.