Lombardi out as welll?....

I suppose it's fun to pretend but all this speculation about Parcells coming to Oakland as a GM is premature and unrealistic. He ain't coming here.
 
Freakshow said:
I suppose it's fun to pretend but all this speculation about Parcells coming to Oakland as a GM is premature and unrealistic. He ain't coming here.
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I really agree with you. It's such a long shot the Crazy Mouse Sports Book has it at N/L.
 
MasterRaider said:
Are you asking this because I accidently reposted something somebody posted above me? Or is it because I used bold for the headline of the post of I made? Either way...if either one really bothered you that much...you need to relax...its a message board...the reason im here is to read or post Oakland Raiders news & to discuss the team...if I mad a mistake and reposted something that someone else has im sorry...but for you to actually make a ignorant comment like you did & get bothered by the fact that I made a mistake makes you pretty lame...sorry
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wow i was kidding, way to kill the humor. i guess i must put a smiley of happiness in to shed light to my motive or lack there of. :D
 
Why do I feel like I'm shopping with the little lady

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKIN MIND ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
hawaiianboy said:
Parcells talked Sean payton out of accepting the Raiders job if journalist are to be believed...


Somebody hold Mass!...
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That's one theory I have a hard time buying. If my interpretation is correct, wasn't it Parcells that recommended both Payton and Carthon to Davis? Sure doesn't make a lot of sense to recommend the guy, then tell the guy not to take it once it's offered.
 
The Tuna also recommended Norv Turner, right?
 
Well, say Parcell is eyeballing a replacement for Payton. But by the time Al decides on Payton the guy Parcells was hoping to get is no longer available. So now its oh crap I better keep this guy.

Jimmy Johnson recommended Turner. He did worse then that. He badgered Al so much that Al finally promised to give Norv an interview.
 
Well my point is that for all the reports of Al and Parcells being big buddies, Parcells seems to always be screwing the Dark Lord one way or the other. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
 
MORE LOMBARDI RUMORS

Okay, so we've plugged back into the NFL grapevine and we've learned that the most accurate scuttlebutt regarding Raiders senior personnel executive Mike Lombardi is that, while he's not going to be fired, he is looking to get out.

And he's angling, as we mentioned earlier on Wednesday, for the vacant G.M. gig in Tennessee.

We're also told that another guy who is interested in the G.M. job with the Titans is Dolphins G.M. Randy Mueller, who could be in jeopardy of getting released by whoever the new coach is in Miami.
 
Does anybody else find it interesting that the boys at PFT have posted 3 seperate dialogues about what's going on with Lombardi, but not a single word about the coaching search?

I don't mean to belittle what they're doing over there because I've been sipping the PFT kool aid as much as anybody else... I just get the feeling that they're a little more dialed into what's going on with the search, but not as forthcoming as the Bay area media.
 
There is too much smoke here for something not to be up. Must likely Lombardi's contract doesn't expire until March or something and he's itching to leave now so he can land a job but Al knows this and so will leave him twisting in the wind for a couple of months.
 
Per PFT

LOMBARDI IS BEING FROZEN OUT IN OAKLAND

We'd previously heard strong rumors of the departure of Raiders personnel exec Mike Lombardi from the organization. There were rumors he was getting bounced, and there were rumors that he was looking for a new landing spot in Tennessee.

We're now being told by multiple league sources that Lombardi is being frozen out of the team's draft preparations. One source says that he is not participating at all in the team's contract discussions with potential No. 1 overall picks (more on that later), and another source says that he has been excluded from some draft meetings.

It makes sense to make a move with a personnel employee after the draft. Firing him before the draft enables him to carry his knowledge of the team's draft plans (and his views on the current draft class) to a new city.

In this case, it appears that Lombardi's departure has been looming for a while. After the draft, it's pretty clear that the end will finally come. Whether he is terminated or "resigns" (a la Charley Casserly a year ago in Houston), it's clear to us that it's over for Lombardi in Oakland.

Knocking the dust off of the thread...
Classic Al.
My take: Lombardi had been fed misinformation and is the mysterious "source" oft quoted in the media (so disregard everything with a source that isn't Kiff/Al). While most would fire after the draft - to get the input of their personnel guy - Al doesn't think he needs it and used Lombardi (because he knew he talked (see last year - or better yet call Shell at 1-800-I-chose-huff)) to put out whatever misinformation he wanted. Lombardi obviously is crying about getting locked out now (now that they have to have talks about what they're really doing) for PFT to hear from multiple sources on a previously dead issue.

Very Very Al
 
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So,..... without Lombardi the team kicked ass on draft day. If this was all it took he shoulda been kickin' rocks awhile ago.

IMO Kiff is doing a better job then I thought he would. I beleive we have found a great coach who has the warrior ethos I covet and demand from a leader.

Great job FO. Ya basically got McNoun and BMW for Moss. Addressed all of our needs with some intelligent awareness.


My grade for this weekend is a B-. I really believe we shopulda gotten a better OL pick. That's the only concern I have and would have shot this grade up to an A had they gotten someone like a Blaylock who can play G or T.
 
"say what you want about National Socialism, at least it's an ethos"

Sorry, whenever I hear that word, I think of this movie line. Carry on.
 
RaiderIVlife said:
"say what you want about National Socialism, at least it's an ethos"

Sorry, whenever I hear that word, I think of this movie line. Carry on.
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Bwahahaha.

"That rug really tied the room together."

"I know, man...."
 
Cheesy as it might sound, I wish they would have made a sequel to this movie.

Perhaps the, "The Bigger Lebowski" - It's been almost 10 years. He would just be an older, thicker hippie. Works for me.

Speaking of sequels, I can't wait for "28 Weeks Later". The first film (28 Days Later) put a new spin on the 'zombie' genre. Besides, British cinema is pound-for-pound better than American cinema. (ducks as daggers fly)
 
RaiderIVlife said:
Cheesy as it might sound, I wish they would have made a sequel to this movie.

Perhaps the, "The Bigger Lebowski" - It's been almost 10 years. He would just be an older, thicker hippie. Works for me.

Speaking of sequels, I can't wait for "28 Weeks Later". The first film (28 Days Later) put a new spin on the 'zombie' genre. Besides, British cinema is pound-for-pound better than American cinema. (ducks as daggers fly)
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Bigger L would be nice. 28 weeks later looks awesome!
 
It's Official

Lombardi, Raiders part
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on May 9th, 2007
Personnel executive Mike Lombardi is out in Oakland, which at this point is like reporting spring will give way to summer next month.

In other words, no surprises, and also no way to know how it affects the Raiders because of their method of operation.

Lombardi joined the Raiders personnel department in 1999, eventually ascending to "senior personnel executive." He took over some of the duties of senior assistant Bruce Allen upon Allen's departure to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, so it's clear he was a valued member of the organization by Al Davis.

Exactly how good Lombardi is as a personnel man is hard to determine because when it came to speaking on the record, he adhered to Oakland's in-house policy. There are those who believe Lombardi, along with now retired Chet Franklin, were at the core of Oakland's ability to land veteran free agents at bargain prices when the team won three consecutive division titles from 2000 through 2002.

But since he was never out front and open like the 49ers Scot McCloughan, or others in the league, the credit basically went to Davis and Jon Gruden. Davis, after all, makes the final call. Only he knows how much he leaned on Lombardi, and he's not saying.

Lombardi's slow exit began the moment Bobby Petrino turned down the job as Raiders head coach. It was Lombardi who gave Davis the hard sell, with Petrino even being offered the job.

When Petrino said, "thanks, but no thanks," Davis turned to Art Shell. Shell knew Lombardi wanted Petrino. He either suspected or knew for a fact Lombardi wasn't on board with the Shell program.

Let's face facts here _ Lombardi was right. Shell is a good man, but made two colossal blunders in hiring a staff. He made Tom Walsh a loyalty hire as offensive coordinator (he was fired along with Walsh from the Raiders in 1994). An even bigger error was Shell's decision to make Irv Eatman and Jackie Slater co-offensive line coaches instead of bringing in one experienced voice.

Lombardi, Shell believed, floated stories to selected media members critical of Walsh and the Shell regime. Shell reacted angrily, believing Lombardi was stabbing him in the back, and said as much with an unprompted speech to local writers in which he didn't name Lombardi but made it clear who he was talking about.

I can't say for certain whether he didn't, because Lombardi never said those things to me.

Davis has the reputation of being heavy-handed, but he does invite discussion and debate. He thinks arguing within the walls of the complex is not necessarily a bad thing. If Lombardi ever voiced his concerns to Davis regarding the Shell regime, and then similar things wound up in the media in the form of anonymous sources, the only he way he stuck around as long as he did was keeping his name out of it as much as possible.

If Lombardi had any chance of holding on, it ended when Lane Kiffin came aboard as head coach. Kiffin was hired in part becuase he has a background in personnel as a recruiting coordinator in USC.

Kiffin, in turn brought in Mark Jackson as "director of pro football development," helping with administrative duties so he concentrate on personnel as well as X's and O's.

It's doubtful the whole Shell affair will have any effect on where Lombardi will land. A few teams may shy away from Lombardi, but others will say, `Hey, it's the Raiders. You never know what really happened there."

Still others reside in the AFC West, and how much could it hurt to have someone aboard with extensive knowledge of Oakland's operation?
 
I laugh when certain people said Lombardi was the only guy with a clue...

We don't even know what the hell he did in Oakland, or what role he played in FA, the draft, personnel decisions etc.

He definitely wasnt Bruce Allen.
 
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