Kiffin vs. Al Part II

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Kiffin meets the Boss
By Tim Kawakami
Mercury News Sports Columnist
http://www.mercurynews.com/sportsheadlines/ci_7908221?nclick_check=1
Article Launched: 01/07/2008 10:24:38 PM PST

Eight days into 2008, Lane Kiffin probably feels like he has aged eight decades since Dec. 31, which is about normal for a Raiders coach.

In the best-case scenario for Kiffin's Raiders coaching career, it looks like he'll enter his second season stuck with a defensive coordinator he tried to fire and a quarterback he never really wanted.

That ought to be tons of fun.

Kiffin is still working for Al Davis, who predictably overruled Kiffin on both counts and probably spent the past few days daring Kiffin to do something about it. (Do you like Hawaii, Lane? There's a job there.)

In the worst-case scenario . . . hey, it's odd: Kiffin's best- and worst-case Raiders scenarios for 2008 are exactly the same.

Kiffin apparently is trapped with Rob Ryan, a talented guy who has his own, non-Lane way of doing things and who, rare among defensive coordinators, has earned Davis' long-term faith.

Kiffin is also stuck with JaMarcus Russell, a supremely talented quarterback who will never run Kiffin's kind of controlled passing game.

Plus, Kiffin can't run to any other NFL job without Davis demanding compensation. Meanwhile, there aren't any more good college jobs to take, unless Kiffin craves Oahu-style loco moco for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

So he's basically trapped. Kiffin probably should've known that a year ago, when 816 better-qualified candidates declined to consider working under Davis. But now Kiffin really knows it.

Maybe Kiffin thought he had earned some political power after reorganizing the locker room and getting the offense back to a middling level. Yes, he did those things. He proved he was better than Norv Turner and Art Shell, and that's why Al is fine with keeping Kiffin around for a while longer.

But Kiffin went 4-12, which is far from the 8-8 rookie record that got Jon Gruden the benefit of Al's doubt.

Though he kept the players' respect, Kiffin has irritated just about everybody else in the building either because he's a naturally brusque operator or because he thinks everybody in there is secretly back-stabbing him, up to and including Mr. D.

Both things are probably true.

So, after getting rebuffed on Ryan, it seems like Kiffin's trying his own spin. It's worth a try. He has ruminated that he might be bolting for unknown parts and - who could imagine it? - NBC's Peter King got that tip in time for Saturday night's broadcast.

Then, shockingly, CBS insider Charlie Casserly said he has heard that Kiffin has only one guaranteed year left on his contract. Subliminal CBS hint: Maybe Davis needs to give Kiffin an extension.

But wait: Davis always signs his coaches to two-year deals and Davis keeps multiple team options, so his coaches are tied to him for longer than he is tied to them.
:rolleyes:

I've been told that Kiffin's deal is no different - he is signed through 2008, then Al has some team options after that. I've heard that there will be zero extension talk or bowing to Kiffin pressure.

Which leads to the current stalemate. Kiffin's a pretty hardheaded guy and obviously took the job ready to butt noggins.

You might figure Davis' safest path is to fire Kiffin and promote either Ryan (unlikely, since Davis likes offensive guys for head coach) or offensive coordinator Greg Knapp to the big job.

But last January Al had to come up with almost several million bucks to get rid of Shell and Tom Walsh after one year, so Al is in no mood to gobble up another $1 million or more.

Of course, Davis never sobs over coaches. He let Gruden go for massive compensation, moved Tom Flores out, let John Madden retire. Coaches come and go, The Al always stays, and he's the one who gathers the talent that he is quite sure should go 13-3 every season - even last season.

This has been brewing for a while, but the flash point is Ryan. Davis isn't going to let Ryan go for nothing. That led to the blistering statement from public relations man Mike Taylor on Friday.

Davis, I'm told, is open to the possibility of letting Ryan go for compensation, but no team is going to give up draft choices or cash for a defensive coordinator. In addition, Davis really likes Ryan, who is probably the best defensive coordinator possible under Al. Ryan can handle Al's meddling, is loved by his players, and is more than capable of running a tough four-man line scheme with man-to-man principles and very little blitzing.

Kiffin wants to change up to a zone-look Cover 2 style? Al doesn't. That's what matters. Still.

Kiffin was the 817th choice last year. He did OK as the Raiders' coach. If he leaves, Al will sigh for a moment, then phone Candidate No. 818 and give it another rip for 2008.
 
it looks like he'll (Kiffin) enter his second season stuck with a defensive coordinator he tried to fire and a quarterback he never really wanted.

Though he (Kiffin) kept the players' respect, Kiffin has irritated just about everybody else in the building

He (Kiffin) has ruminated that he might be bolting for unknown parts




And yet writer Tim Kawakami offers NO evidence of such things happening.

Classify it under SPECULATION/HANDJOBBERY and move on, nothing to see here.



...... yet?
 
Personally I think its just a bunch of know nothing sports writers circle jerking each others material in order to have something to write about now that the season is over with.
 
Kiffin needs to shut the fuck up and coach the team to win. He's not the GM here. He has been handed a lot of talent, whether it's exactly what he wants or not. Now he needs to put those players in the best possible position to win.

If he doesn't like the way Ryan does things then he needs to tell Ryan how he wants things done.

I would rather have had Brady Quinn too. Didn't happen. Suck it up. Russell can play the game. As the HC you have to know how to set his team up around him. That's your fucking job.
 
This kind of predictable crap is the worst part of the off season--there are certain flys who will jump all over this steaming pile of shit and blow it completely out of proportion--what the hell does Tim Kawakami know? Nothing but conjecture served as fact--this is the time of year when the only thing I truly believe about the Raiders is when their first round draft pick is announced in April--
 
Tim Kawakam is a hater from waaaay back. And he knows all this first hand? Bullshit. Wild speculation that he's pieced together from King and SoCal. :D

If he doesn't like the way Ryan does things then he needs to tell Ryan how he wants things done.
That's the way to do it. Don't tell me Al is forbidding him to get in Ryan's face.
 
I'm not sure why the media is so enamoured with the thought of Al Davis loving Rob Ryan. We haven't had a decent defense since Ryan took over and consistently finish 25th or higher overall. Why would Davis love that? Simply because Ryan plays the rush-4-no blitz-man on man style Al has perferred? He can influence his play calling? The players like him? None of this crap matters if you suck. Al is about winning games, which supersedes anything else.

Al should be the first one to show Ryan the door and embrace what his young, innovative head coach brings to the table. I don't buy into this prevailing interest that Al is meddling with Kiffin's desire to give Ryan the boot. It simply doesn't add up.
 
I'll just wait until AL or KIffen say something or make their respective decisions. Fuck all the media reports I'm tired of hearing all of the speculation. I wish I was a fly on the wall at Raiders HQ though. Probably just AL's way of pointing the media in this direction anyways. Seems like were always a story around this time. Who knows maybe KIffen, and Al are watching media reports laughing their asses off. Al is pointing the media this way, trying to get them off the Cheatriots band wagon for awhile. Sometimes I forget about Al's hatred of east coast teams getting all of the media attention. Still however with Rob Ryan staying, it's hard to say if Kiffen is really happy with that descision by AL.
 
What blows my mind is how the supposed "real" media actually publishes the kind of speculation we throw around on this forum just for the hell of it. That's downright stupid.
 
It cracks me up how quickly some of you guys are willing to jump on the more radical media speculation as opposed to the moderates.

Who ya' votin' for in this election, SoCal? ;)
 
It's hilarious that how if something is written that supports one's slant or prejudices it is taken as gospel and how if it doesn't it's spin and heresay :pound:


But wait: Davis always signs his coaches to two-year deals and Davis keeps multiple team options, so his coaches are tied to him for longer than he is tied to them.

I'm totally confused by this because I always thought the Al standard head coach deal was 3 years with a club option for two more years?...

Kiffin:
Kiffin's contract will pay him $2 million a year for three years, and there are club options for the 2010 and 2011 seasons, according to a team source.
Gruden:
Gruden signed a three-year contract in 1998 with a club option for two more years.
and then in 2001
Gruden was too exhausted to consider the job as of Monday, but as ESPN.com reported last week the Raiders recently exercised a two-year option on his contract that now runs through 2002 for around $1.3 million annually.
Norval:
Turner signed a three-year, $8 million contract with two option years, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.


Maybe he's deviated in the last two hires because I believe all that was given out in regards to Art was that it was a lifetime deal...


It cracks me up how quickly some of you guys are willing to jump on the more radical media speculation as opposed to the moderates.

Shutee... I happen to have it on good authority that Jon Gruden was indeed on a plane to Ohio and not buying a couple of guitars for his kid in the Bay Area as he claims...
 
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In the best-case scenario for Kiffin's Raiders coaching career, it looks like he'll enter his second season stuck with a defensive coordinator he tried to fire and a quarterback he never really wanted.

I stopped reading right there.

Because without a quote or SOMETHING to back that up, it's pure "hating."
 
You're right, HB.

Kiffin has a three-year contract at two million a year with a two year option.

Jesus. Look it up. The speculation is totally unnecessary. The San Francisco Chronicle, SI, and ESPN all reported the same thing re: Kiffin's contract when he was signed.

It's obvious that I shouldn't stay away from here. The inmates are running the asylum and it looks like the voices of levity are being ignored here.

Never fear. I'm obnoxious enough that I won't be ignored. ;)
 
Who are you again? I see Iceman in the picture, but you're a lot hazier......
 
Every year we have all the crazy reports coming out about this coach and that coach and someone turning us down and Al being involved with the HC. BLAH BLAH BLAH.....it's all rumors didn't we hear that Kiffin was leaving a few games into the season. The only time I remember anything really happening that was very impactful in the offseason was Gruden leaving and most of us saw that coming as well.
 
Every year we have all the crazy reports coming out about this coach and that coach and someone turning us down and Al being involved with the HC. BLAH BLAH BLAH.....it's all rumors didn't we hear that Kiffin was leaving a few games into the season. The only time I remember anything really happening that was very impactful in the offseason was Gruden leaving and most of us saw that coming as well.

A guy on another board put forth the theory that we are keeping RR around so that we can coach the Senior Bowl. I find that to make more sense that anything Kamikaze has ever come up with. I also think that there is a reasonable possibility that we are waiting for the Seachickens to finish their season so we can possibly hire Jim Mora Jr. as our DC. He has history with Knapp and Cable and I'm sure that Kif is aquainted with him. He is also supposed to be a hell of a coach.
 
Still waiting on someone.. anyone .. to post a link to an article that has a direct quote from Kiff saying that he wants/wanted Ryan Fired. There are many speculation articles, there has GOT to be one that has actually HEARD it from Kiff's mouth right?
 
A guy on another board put forth the theory that we are keeping RR around so that we can coach the Senior Bowl. I find that to make more sense that anything Kamikaze has ever come up with. I also think that there is a reasonable possibility that we are waiting for the Seachickens to finish their season so we can possibly hire Jim Mora Jr. as our DC. He has history with Knapp and Cable and I'm sure that Kif is aquainted with him. He is also supposed to be a hell of a coach.

Holy crap. I was just thinking about Mora, actually. That makes some sense to me, but it's a title downgrade for the guy (as I was just reminded).
 
Still waiting on someone.. anyone .. to post a link to an article that has a direct quote from Kiff saying that he wants/wanted Ryan Fired. There are many speculation articles, there has GOT to be one that has actually HEARD it from Kiff's mouth right?


Good point. I want RR fired. Does that count?
 
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