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This guy wasn't even a starter... Kelly's going to end up getting at least this............ if not more...





Giants, Tuck agree on five-year extension
http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2008/01/new_york_giants_justin_tuck_ag.html
Posted by Mike Garafolo January 17, 2008 10:09PM
Categories: Breaking News
George McNish/The Star-Ledger

Tuck is now scheduled to wear blue through 2013.

The Giants and defensive end Justin Tuck have agreed to terms on a five-year, $30-million contract extension through the 2013 season that includes $16 million in guaranteed money, according to two people with knowledge of the contract details. The people requested anonymity because the deal isn't expected to be finalized and signed until tomorrow -- two days before the Giants face the Packers in the NFC Championship Game.

Neither Tuck's agent, Doug Hendrickson, nor Giants general manager Jerry Reese could be reached for comment.

The 24-year-old Tuck, selected in the third round of the 2005 draft after he had a school-record 24½ career sacks at Notre Dame, had 10 sacks this past regular season despite not being a starter. He rotated throughout games at left and right end with starters Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora then moved inside to play tackle in obvious passing situations.

Tuck's versatility has earned him playing time on a defensive line that has been stacked with a host of ends since the team drafted Mathias Kiwanuka in the first round in 2006. Kiwanuka moved to linebacker this season before breaking his fibula against the Lions in November.

The long-term commitment to Tuck, who will still earn $520,000 next season in what was to be the final year of his rookie deal, would indicate the Giants are intent on making him a full-time starter in the future, with Kiwanuka possibly remaining at linebacker for the next few years. But it also sets up an interesting and possibly uncomfortable financial situation because Tuck is now making more than both Strahan and Umenyiora, who have been selected to a combined nine Pro Bowls.

Umenyiora signed a contract extension in December 2005 that included $15 million guaranteed -- a number that would have been much higher if he had waited a few more months for the league and the union to agree on a new collective bargaining agreement. Umenyiora fired his agent last year and hired Tony Agnone, who also represents Strahan. It was a strong indication he's looking to renegotiate his deal, which runs through the 2012 season.

Strahan's financial concerns have been well-documented. Last March, he asked the Giants to rework his contract, but they resisted. Strahan then flirted with retirement during training camp, as he pondered whether it was worth returning for another season at a $4-million salary. Strahan has one more year remaining on his contract -- also at $4 million. Strahan, who has a team-high 16 tackles and a sack in the postseason, can certainly make the case that he hasn't lost a step and might demand a raise once again.

The Giants have maintained over the past few years that "you can never have too many pass rushers." And in Tuck, they have that and more. They have a bullish, run-stopping player who is best suited to be Strahan's successor on the left side. That's where the end who's more adept at stopping the run plays because most offenses call most of their power runs to their right side.

Tuck has shown the power to play that spot many times. His latest display came Sunday against the Cowboys when he was being turned away from the hole by Pro Bowl center Andre Gurode. Tuck fought to turn Gurode and ripped his arm in front of the 316-pounder to make the tackle.

Thanks to his new deal, Tuck is ensured of the opportunity to keep making plays like that for many years. And he can also increase the budget for his April 12 wedding to his longtime girlfriend, Lauren Williamson, in his home state of Alabama.

Tuck is still scheduled to earn $520,000 next season. His new deal will begin in the 2009 season.
 
Pass rushers are paid at a premium.

Tuck is a top tier, young pass rusher who had 10 sacks last season.

Kelly is a guy coming off a bad injury who was pretty average at DE and DT.

He won't get near Tuck money. Im thinking Kenyon Coleman from last year. Somewhere near 20-25 million. Coleman has very similiar career numbers and similiar skills.

Tuck matched Kelly's stats in his first season getting significant playing time.
 
Get a clue... Kelly's going to get paid top dollar. If he hits the open market, he'll do better than $30 million...
 
I honestly wouldn't care if Kelly doesn't come back, I think he is best off in a 3-4 playing DE.
 
I honestly wouldn't care if Kelly doesn't come back, I think he is best off in a 3-4 playing DE.

I think he could also do well as a 34 DE... but at the same time, he's our 2nd best DLineman. I mean, how many holes do you expect Al to fill up front through the draft? Let him go and now Al has to find a starting UT as well as a starting NT... not to mention at least 1 or 2 more rotational DTs.
 
Yeah the D-line is in some serious shit. I just don't think Kelly is worth big bucks, he's just an average player IMO.
 
kelly will be lucky to get what we paid sands the year before. Tuck was a pass rusher. Clemons might be worth more dough to someone then kelly.
 
Another way to look at it is it's easier to spend the big bucks on a DT player than it is a skill position player considering DT players make relatively less than any of the high profile positions... You can pay a premium for the fat asses (like the Pats have done) and still have a lot of cap space left... Can't say that for any other position of similar importance.

The Raiders lost a lot when they saw Rod Coleman go to the Falcons... If Kelly has any interest in returning, it would behoove the Raiders to make it a top priority to bring him back (more so than Aso)........ in my opinion.......
 
i think your nuts thinking that bringin back Kelly is more important than Aso

Aso is argueably a top 5 corner in this league, Kelly is probably a middle of the pack UT at best

back on topic, if Kelly is even looking for half of that, let him walk

i have no problem taking two DTs in the draft and finding another in free agency

Dorsey/Ellis, Dre Moore, Pat Sims, Red Bryant, Athyba Rubin, etc... i'd be perfectly fine taking 2 or even three of those guys before i give Kelly HALF of justin tuck's money
 
A 3-4 team will probably overpay for the guy.

I'm not going to loose any sleep over a 1 gap DT.

Those guys are pretty easy to find.

Finding someone to 2 gap the nose is a different matter altogether.
 
A 3-4 team will probably overpay for the guy.

I'm not going to loose any sleep over a 1 gap DT.

Those guys are pretty easy to find.

Finding someone to 2 gap the nose is a different matter altogether.
I agree.

Coming off the injury and not showing that he is anything special doesn't realy excite me to pay the guy "Tuck" money. That's just crazy. To me the guy is a better fit as a 34 DE anyway.

It just shows how desperate the Raiders are on the DL when Kelley, coming off an injury like that, is perceived to be the best or second best lineman on the team. Loooong way to go.
 
Tuck got $16 mill in bonuses. Kelly can forget that.

I'm more interested in the fact that Tuck seems to be the heir apparent to Strahan. Unless they are planning on using him exclusively inside, which I don't see.

In that case, whither Kiwi? SLB is not a permanent home, I just don't see it. I don't think he's a Giant, long term.
 
So much for the Fabs for Tuck rumors. I think the Raiders make him a fair offer but let Dan Snyder or someone else overpay for him.
 
Just going on record here saying I don't think there's any way in the world that Kelly gets as much as Tuck -- from anyone.

Wouldn't say anything at all, except that I plan on using this thread as a punchline in the future, and it's not fair to do that unless I opposed the position on record.
 
If we're going to pay top dollar for a DT, it's not going to be on a guy coming off of ACL surgery who is slightly above average and inconsistant...As someone pointed out, we just made that mistake with Terds. He'll get offered a contract but it's not going to break the bank. I also think G. Warren is an Al guy and they will offer him something to stay.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Raiders took Long in the draft and Al meddled with one of his "experiments" and looked to put Jay Richardson in the middle and have him play underneath...he's got the frame at 6'6 280lbs, puting on another 20lbs would be easy. He would be quicker than your average tackle, and the kid is pretty strong. Al would make his classic move of going after a Mike Rucker or Corey Williams in the FA market.

On a side note....does anyone care that we don't have a 3rd round or 5th round pick?:bugeye:
 
With the way free agent got paid last year I find it difficult to "guarantee" Kelly won't go for that much, but I feel that anyone who pays a guy coming off a blown ACL with mediocre stats 30 million than there making a mistake.
 
If Kelly can command that much, good for him.

Seeya.
 
Get a clue... Kelly's going to get paid top dollar. If he hits the open market, he'll do better than $30 million...


When Kelly becomes a 10 sack pass rusher and not 4-3 UT with limited pass rush ability comming off an injury, he'll get Tuck money. Until then, he cant hold Tucks jock on the field and wont be able to touch his wallet off the field.:confused:
 
When Kelly becomes a 10 sack pass rusher and not 4-3 UT with limited pass rush ability comming off an injury, he'll get Tuck money. Until then, he cant hold Tucks jock on the field and wont be able to touch his wallet off the field.:confused:
Agreed. If he gets more than a 1-yr, $1M deal someone got screwed.
 
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