Interesting article on A-Wal's future...

Thanks for the link 007.

Walter is the "people's QB"...with the frustration growing from Kerry Collins-Aaron Brooks many grabbed onto some obscure quarter of work in a pre-season game and anointed him the QB of the future. He yet may be. It's shitty for him because of the terrible offensive line play but frankly I bring this up a lot...the guy just never showed anything. Never a great play or a pass that made you say wow...he just didn't make a single play all year that I remember.

Such is life in the NFL when you're a third round pick. You get your chance and one way or the other you have to do something. He didn't. Alex smith was the number one player taken in the draft. They not going to throw the baby out with the bath water in that situation.

Frankly I wish Walter could be the guy. Maybe he was in the wrong place at the wrong time just like Tui. Dunno. In any case I have a hard time visualizing Walter as a better than average QB in this league. I hope he is but hey, I'm just sayin'. And, it remains to be seen if Al Davis will actually pull the trigger on Russell or Quinn. I have my doubts.
 
I really believe that Walter has 'it' and *has* shown flashes of greatness, but he's been running for his damned life out there.. and playing in a bullshit offensive situation (players/coaching, whatever is to blame) .. so he gets at least another year in my opinion. There isn't a QB on this green earth that could have looked good out there last year or otherwise rescued that offensive abortion.
 
"What some might say is that Walter's 2006 effort is the single worst quarterbacking display in recent memory, but that's simply not true. Just two seasons ago, 49ers quarterback Alex Smith offered up an even more atrocious starting effort. The ex-No. 1 overall pick threw just one touchdown to go along with 11 interceptions, completing only 50.9 percent of his passes and finishing with an absurd 40.8 passer rating in his rookie year."

I just hate the thought of us drafting JR and then Walter turning out to be the better QB when they both get a real chance to succeed. I doubt it would happen but A.Smith looked 10 times better this season. As bad as our o-line, coaching staff and skilled positions were last yearit would be hard to suceed. If I were Walter Iwould feel like I didnt get a very fair introduction into the starting role as a NFL qb. Then again maybe he will never be good enough to make a bad team better. Last year stunk so bad it hard to even guage the players for this season!
 
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Turo said:
There isn't a QB on this green earth that could have looked good out there last year or otherwise rescued that offensive abortion.
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110 percent agreed. the only qb's that would have survived is all the ones who did what hostetler did. Draw up their own offense and say fuck the staff.
 
I haven't seen 'it' from Walter, frankly the opposite.

Everyone plays the o-line card and it is valid, but when this guy got protection (And he did for a few stretches) he looked like he was lost;

Missed open targets, made silly mistakes, didnt check down to outlet receivers, and the most important one: He Didnt get rid of the ball when the play broke down.

At least when Alex Smith was playing like dog shit, he was showing he had a presence behind center, he said all of the right things to the press, showed he could be mobile when needed and is: The youngest starter in the league.

Let's not forget Walter had played 9 preseason games, been to two rookie camps and was not a rookie. Unlike the 20 year old Alex Smith in his first season.

A big difference, IMO.

I love AP as a prospect, but I truly believe if we don't go QB in this draft, we are making a mistake.
 
I think blaming Walter for not throwing the ball away or checking down sooner is forgetting the fact that he was doing what he was told to do.. look down field and wait for the excrutiatingly deep routes to come open. Unfortunately, our pass protection wasn't up to the task. So, in my mind, docking Walter for doing what he was told to do is a bit unjust. I mean, hell, the kid was reduced to begging for some shorter outlet routes (for which he was benched).

That kind of undeserved finger pointing reminds me of how people would accuse Gannon of not being able to throw the medium-to-deep route which he proved was total horseshit in his last season (before he got injured), where he was throwing beautiful spirals on deep balls with regularity. So much of what a quarterback can do on the field is predicated by what the coaching staff has them practicing all week long, what they have drawn up in the playbook and what they have been preaching in terms of philosophy.

You don't break John Elway's pac-10 records behind a mediocre-to-bad football team and have no talent. The kid has a quick release, an amazing amount of zip and just enough wiggle to avoid some pressure. Now, when the offensive line is acting more like orange traffic cones instead of professional football players.. I just have a hard time blaming much of anything on the quarterback. And, we haven't even gotten into the total lack of talent at WR to throw to in the first place. Hopefully, that mess, and all the no-route-running, pass-dropping idocy that goes along with that mess goes without saying.
 
Keep the rose colored glasses on all you wan't but I agree with Bones, that Walter is the guy everybody had hung their hopes on when we we're trotting out Tui, Rob Johnson, Collins and Brooks.

When a team comes out and says they have him as the top rated qb 'on their board' and pass on a franchise QB for a FS-CB hybrid, I think its a mistake.

Walter has done nothing to prove me wrong on that fact, although I pray he proves me wrong when I say that I think he is a backup.
 
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Keep the rose colored glasses on all you wan't but I agree with Bones, that Walter is the guy everybody had hung their hopes on when we we're trotting out Tui, Rob Johnson, Collins and Brooks.

When a team comes out and says they have him as the top rated qb 'on their board' and pass on a franchise QB for a FS-CB hybrid, I think its a mistake.

Walter has done nothing to prove me wrong on that fact, although I pray he proves me wrong when I say that I think he is a backup.
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I think all Raider fans would agree we like Walter enough to keep him here next season. If we draft a QB high the writing will be on the wall. If we go with an older vet back-up possible starter type the job will still be A-Wal's to lose. Either way, I think all of us want someone else to compete for the job and provide a back-up plan if AW stinks next season.
I am assuming that Sark has the job, if not him then a offensive minded coach.

Here are our options...

1. #1 pick J.Russell. This guy could be a great one. Then again he could be another Vick type bust (lots of potential). He has the arm and mobility to run the offense AL likes. He could move a bit to avoid our pass rush problems till they get fixed. He could also throw the ball deep to Randy and Porter like Al always dreamed. Between JR and AW, one of these guys would pan out IMO.

2. Brady Quinn. I think Brady is a cant miss solid starter in the NFL. I dont see him ever being one of the greats, but thats just me. He is no where near as highly thought of as Leinart should have been coming out of college! In no way is BQ a better prospect than Leinart IMO. So if we passed on Matt then we should pass on BQ. If Sark has a man crush on BQ who is the safer QB pick this year, it wont be the end of the world. But we could of had Matt at pick #7 last year so we had BETTER trade down and take a slipping BQ if this happens. So a trade down for BQ would be a good move also if we aquired some nice picks and Sark really is sold.

3. A.Walter and Old Vet. I wont mention names cause it is a waste of time. If we get a safety net and put our faith in Walter to be the guy then we can draft however we like. Adding a player who is considered a safer pick like CJ, AP, Branch, JT etc, seems like a nice move on a team with many holes. And we can trade out of the #1 and aquire more picks. Cant blame AW for our O last season, Aaron Brooks put up better #'s on the Saints! Besides if Sark is a QB guy, A.Walter has some talent to work with and some Exp. behind him. The downside is that if AW busts, then we are looking again next year for a QB with another high draft pick.

4. Trade for a QB. Lewftwich, Carr, Culpepper, Vick, Shaub etc. Maybe we dump a second rounder and or Moss/Pouter and scoop a young "Franchise potential" QB. This is an interesting idea. If we could possibly get a good deal and not give up much this would be a way to fill a need. Another Gamble tho. Carr is the only guy on the list i care for. He has an arm he is moblie and used to being sacked!

Honestly everything is a gamble, I guess thats what makes this shit so interesting. I waffle everyday but i really am starting to hope we trade down.Paying a yong QB #1 overall money to turn this franchise around behind our O- line scares the shit out of me We need to fill alot of holes. Gambling is for rich people, We broke! Lets be the team BQ or JR slides down too. If i doesnt happen we add a handful of young offensive talent to surround whoever pans out to be our QB. We could even add some more DL. The more picks we have the more chance of finding starters to fill our many needs. we could even scoop Troy Smith or another QB later in round 3 or 4 to help the position's depth.

Trade everything AL. Moss, Porter, the #1 pick and make this the best Raiders draft ever. Cause its a deep one IMO.
Can you imagine having 2 #1's, 2 #2's and 2 #3's this year? Crazy.
 
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I like Walter but,, if we draft JR and Walter turns the corner next and turns out to be really good.then I would be happy to have two good qb's other then just one. If Walter pushes russeland they battle for the spot then we are all happy and so will the rest of the offense.
 
You're leaving out option No. 5:

Go into next year with Aaron Brooks again. I know none of us wants to consider that a real option, but unfortunately it is.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Keep the rose colored glasses on all you wan't but I agree with Bones, that Walter is the guy everybody had hung their hopes on when we we're trotting out Tui, Rob Johnson, Collins and Brooks.

When a team comes out and says they have him as the top rated qb 'on their board' and pass on a franchise QB for a FS-CB hybrid, I think its a mistake.

Walter has done nothing to prove me wrong on that fact, although I pray he proves me wrong when I say that I think he is a backup.
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Not trying to pick a fight here or anything, but this coming from a guy with Brady "big game choke job" Quinn as his avatar? I don't get why Quinn gets a pass (yes, I'm assuming you're giving him a pass for sucking shit in every big game this year) while Walter does not.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
You're leaving out option No. 5:

Go into next year with Aaron Brooks again. I know none of us wants to consider that a real option, but unfortunately it is.
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Haha. Man I hope that doesnt happen. Isnt he due a bonus or something.We better cut his ass so he can go be a third string Qb somewhere.

Option #5. A.Brooks is back, but there are no fans because they all killed themselves so the Raiders move to Delaware.
 
I don't think Brooks has a shot since he's due something like a $3-5M roster bonus. He was essentially on a 1 year contract with the option for two if he was leading us to a winning season.
 
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I haven't seen 'it' from Walter, frankly the opposite.
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Sorry I have to ask this question. But what exactly with firm detail is "it", and who would you see "it" from in that offense we ran last year? I seen this reference again and again with no real definition. Its fairly vague to me. But maybe its just me.
 
jatfly said:
I like Walter but,, if we draft JR and Walter turns the corner next and turns out to be really good.then I would be happy to have two good qb's other then just one. If Walter pushes russeland they battle for the spot then we are all happy and so will the rest of the offense.
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or worst case scenario they both play like young qb's in a brand new offense with no running game to truly take pressure off of them consistently like say San Diego maybe. that scenario scares me and may set us back fairly hard.
 
What's the worst that could happen? We have a Brees/Rivers situation?

If you think JR is the guy, take him. If not, not.

But Walter hasn't done anything to convince you in a positive direction on his behalf. It's as simple as that.
 
donovan said:
What's the worst that could happen? We have a Brees/Rivers situation?
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no they had LT and Gates. thats a big difference. our scenario really isnt linear IMO. Maybe i'm worrying too much, or maybe not. but the worst that can happen is nowhere close to brees/rivers i think.
 
Turo said:
Not trying to pick a fight here or anything, but this coming from a guy with Brady "big game choke job" Quinn as his avatar? I don't get why Quinn gets a pass (yes, I'm assuming you're giving him a pass for sucking shit in every big game this year) while Walter does not.
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I'd be happy with Quinn, Russell, Brohm, Brennan...Whoever. Just not Walter.

Everyone has jumped on this guys bandwagon as if he's our savior, but the guy has not shown he can do it on the Pro level.

I'd rather take a risk on Quinn.

2) What is the worry if we end up having 2 capable young QB's? Is that seriously an issue?

I hope Walter turns the corner and becomes an NFL calibre QB, I fear he has no corner to turn though.
 
Seraph24 said:
Sorry I have to ask this question. But what exactly with firm detail is "it", and who would you see "it" from in that offense we ran last year? I seen this reference again and again with no real definition. Its fairly vague to me. But maybe its just me.
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It was talked about on NFL network the last couple nights, It's an ability to be a leader of men, and be able to have the toughness and intangibles capable to win.

http://raiderbeacon.blogspot.com/index.html

This is a great article that shed some light on Quinn. I wavered on him after he lost to LSU, but I'm back to thinking he has 'it' (As cliche as it sounds).

You look at the four finalists in the playoffs this year, and you see: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Grossman is pretty average, but then again we don't have his defense, coaching staff, or O-line. (Add to that he was a 3000+ yard passer with 20+ TD's)

Even in '05 it was Brady, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Manning, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Manning and even Delhomme.

Teams like Philly, Indy, New England, Seattle, San Diego and Baltimore all make the playoffs with regularity and although they have plenty of good players, they all have a QB that can lead them.

I don't see Walter doing that for us.
 
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