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Rupert

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You know, I don’t understand Raider fans today. I really don’t. I just had one tell me that suggesting the Raiders lost on purpose Sunday against Denver would be cause for him to stop supporting the team. He’d prefer to think that Art Shell and Tom Walsh are stupid.

The funny thing is that most Raiders fans feel this way. Tom Walsh is an idiot, and Art Shell proved his incompetence as a head coach by hiring him. Most Raiders fans think Al Davis is senile and needs to step down, so it doesn’t bother them that he hired Shell and approved the hiring of Walsh. The hires merely confirmed their beliefs about Mr. Davis.

But there’s one thing I cannot get over. It’s okay to pledge undying support to an organization whose owner has lost his mind; an owner who is committed to trying to rekindle past glories when everyone else knows it’s impossible; an owner who has made his organization the laughing stock of the league; an owner who has turned a plum destination for free agents into a prune; an owner who cannot hire or keep competent coaches and therefore has to resort to hiring out of loyalty and desperation. It’s okay to pledge your undying support to that kind of organization. But it’s not okay to pledge undying support to an organization that has evaluated the talent and determined that it would rather lose ugly for one season than win ugly and still not make the playoffs; one season of shuffling offensive personnel and grooming a quarterback; one season of going through the motions; one season of finding out who you can go to war with; one season of taking your lumps so you can have a better tomorrow. Some of those complaints, by the way, were ringing through Raider Nation during the past two lost seasons. “Why don’t they play Tui and find out what they have?” “They should give Walter some playing time to start the transition.”

Are there reasons to support the “lose ugly” theory? There are plenty:

Let’s look at wide receivers first. No-one understands why Alvis Whitted is starting over Ronald Curry. They can all understand why Porter went into the doghouse, but they can’t understand why he remains there (even though his behavior has been less than exemplary). But there’s little evidence that Whitted deserves to start over Curry. Whitted has incredible straight-line speed and fits the vertical stretch offense, but that doesn’t complement Randy Moss who is also a get open deep kind of receiver. Having two of those receivers on the field simultaneously goes against vertical stretch theory. Curry is a more reasonable complement to Randy Moss, or Alvis Whitted for that matter, but he’s relegated to third WR chores. Randy Moss has dropped so many passes that it’s ludicrous, but they keep running him out there instead of giving guys like Morant, or even Doghouse Porter, a shot every now and then.

Then there is Randall Williams at tight end. The guy put on 30 pounds of muscle in the off-season. He bulked up from being a receiver into a tight end. He didn’t lose an appreciable amount of speed, but he’s demonstrated that his hands lost some of their flexibility. In fact, they’ve almost gone stone cold. But the Raiders keep running him out there, and worse still, they keep throwing at him. Sunday he rewarded their confidence in him by hauling in 5 of the 8 passes thrown to him, matching the number of catches from the previous 8 games.

There has been a rash of mysterious injuries on the team. Aaron Brooks fumbles two consecutive snaps and mysteriously injures a pectoral muscle in week two. That injury is supposed to take two to four weeks to heal. Yet somehow in the ninth game, eight weeks later, it’s still a problem. Barry Sims pulls an abdominal muscle in week eight but isn’t injured enough to come out of the game. But come Monday morning, it’s too tender and there’s no scheduled time for his return. In the wee hours before week ten’s game it’s reported that Gallery injured a groin sometime late in the week and was be replaced by Slaughter at left tackle. Slaughter, who played well at right tackle previously and is more of a right tackle physically, has practiced most of the year at left tackle. Gallery and Sims were both struggling in their play but were left in as starters far too long for different reasons, Gallery is a number two overall pick and Sims has been a warrior for the team. Gallery’s mysterious game-day injury announcement looks more like a way to save his pride while they try to salvage any value he has left. Sims’s injury is also a way to save the pride of one of your own warriors who cannot cut the mustard anymore. The open-ended nature of both injuries allows the team to put them back in at a moment’s notice if their replacements are ineffective.

Then there’s the offensive game plan. Week one saw a diverse game plan get submarined by a tremendous talent imbalance. Many fans point to this as a sign that the coaches didn’t know how bad the talent really was. Then the following weeks see a severely limited game plan struggle against the better teams, and suffer from breakdowns against more comparable teams. People complain about the lack of passes to running backs, the preponderance of five and seven step drops by the quarterback, the preponderance of deep routes, too few screen passes. In essence, very little done to help protect a quarterback from a relentless pass rush other than take away receivers to make them blockers, which is of little use when his receivers can’t get open and his blockers can’t sustain their blocks. Some of the game plan decisions can be attributed to the lack of talent; too many passes are being dropped. Some of the game plan decisions are because of poor execution; not a single screen pass was well executed through the first eight games.

So we come back to the Denver game. In the first half the offense is diverse: there are well executed screen passes, there are outlet passes to the running backs, the blocking holds up, there are diverse passing plays with shorter routes and quarterback drops, and the running game is effective. Then, inexplicably, the second half looks like all of the ineffective game plans from the past: screen and outlet passes are abandoned, the short routes disappear, the most effective running plays are eliminated, and seven step drops become more prevalent. The two halves look like a tragedy played out on a Shakespearian scale.

How does it all add up? It’s easy to step back and accept all the negative press the organization has gotten. I don’t know of a single reporter that thought hiring Shell was the best move the organization could make, they almost uniformly claimed it was due to the poisoned waters in the organization that come from Al Davis himself. They derided the hiring of Walsh and emphasized Art Shell’s pledge to him after their last tenure with the Raiders as the only reason he was hired. They made it quite clear that they didn’t think he was of any value, and couldn’t possibly know anything about football after having been out of the NFL for twelve years and failing miserably at two head coaching positions at small fry teams. They pointed out he was Mayor of Nowhereville and ran a bed and breakfast as well. Those were plenty of reasons to ridicule him, Art Shell, Al Davis, and the Raiders.

So what do Raiders fans do? Do they return to the “us versus them” mentality of the organization from the old days? No. They jump on the media bandwagon and roast their beloved organization on a spit. They roast the new head coach. They roast the offensive coordinator. They conveniently forget that they roasted the defensive coordinator when he was brought in two years prior. They forget that many of them wanted him to be fired after last season too. They conveniently forget that the man they wanted to run out of town as the village idiot is now being praised for his defense. And they conveniently forget that I was one of the few voices to support Rob Ryan.

Was I right about Rob Ryan? Sort of. Back then, as today, I preached patience. I said there were things to like in the way he went about his business. I said there were signs he knew how to get the defense working. Today, I’m saying the same things about the offensive coordinator. For the past two years, people couldn’t see what I was talking about in Rob Ryan. This season, they can’t see what I’m talking about in Tom Walsh, but I’m taking even more heat than before because the natives are restless.

What are the similarities between Rob Ryan and Tom Walsh? When Rob Ryan came on board, he didn’t have enough talent on defense. Now the Raiders are far more talented than his first season, with plenty of kids and room to grow. I still don’t know if he can develop and maintain a shut down defense, but I do know he can field a very good one. Back when everyone was calling for his head, I only had glimpses that he could do it, nothing concrete. Today Tom Walsh doesn’t have a very talented group on offense. I’ve pointed out all the elements people say our offense lacks. The truth is it hasn’t lacked those elements. The real truth is it lacks those elements in the unspecified proportions that the media and they think it should.

Will Tom Walsh, like Ryan before him, be forced to do things Al Davis’s way next season? It’s not very likely, since Walsh is already doing things Al Davis’s way, at least that’s what everyone believes. Will Tom Walsh be fired after the season? That isn’t very likely either since Rob Ryan was allowed to fail miserably for two seasons while he put the talent in place to succeed.
 
The conclusion

Finally, I suggested the Raiders might have tried to lose the Denver game for draft position. Rubbish. I don’t believe that. But at some point, you throw out possibilities and see what sticks. Why? Because all the rational things you have said fall on deaf ears over and over and over again. After every loss there are complaints. After every win there are complaints. So what do I really believe? There’s a massive proof of concept effort underway. What I’m not certain of is the desired outcome.

Here’s what I see: The Raiders are desperately trying to either prove or disprove the viability of the original vertical stretch concept. I’m not certain which. If they’re trying to prove it, they’re proving they don’t have the personnel to run it. If they’re trying to disprove it, they’re trying to prove they need different types of personnel. To briefly elaborate: with a backup left tackle, left guard, quarterback, and a journeyman receiver, a modernized vertical stretch offense was successful against one of the league’s tougher defenses; but those same players were unable to execute a more traditional vertical approach. That describes the Denver game. What about the San Diego game? That proved that a modern approach wouldn’t work against a team with both an elite offense and defense unless the players were upgraded.

Is it just a case of tough love? It seems to be for everyone involved. Fire away.
 
First off, I was behind Ryan for the last couple years and stated as well that personel was a huge problem. I also agree you could see glimpses of what could be. The D is on its way.

However, the big difference between Ryan and Walsh is the plan. There was one in place with Ryan. The only argument a lot of us had was how long it would take and was it worth the wait.

Walsh has no plan imo. This team did not lose anyone besides Stone and Collins on O. Now Brooks and Walters might not be great, but is the talent gap that big between them and Kerry? Is the OL in shambles because of the loss of Stone (as Nips has been screaming about for a bit now)?

Seriously, the O makes no sense. WE have success at a certain aspect of the O and seem to run away from it. We make no adjustments at all....ever....to address our weaknesses. We have a sheit line and yet leave our QB out to dry on 7 step drops with no dump off patterns?

There has been no glimspes of a plan at all. The D had outscored the O over the last couple weeks (is it true for the whole season?). And we are only getting worse. The one thing with Ryan is there was at least progress over time. We are getting worse on O.

And one other huge difference between Ryan and Walsh.....the players never sold Ryan out and talked bad about him. that speaks volumes to me.
 
Ummm, Brayton, whom everyone says is a model citizen often criticized his move to linebacker. Everyone knew who moved him there. You do the math.

Edit: I didn't know you when, so I'll accept your support of Ryan.
 
I just had one tell me that suggesting the Raiders lost on purpose Sunday against Denver would be cause for him to stop supporting the team. He’d prefer to think that Art Shell and Tom Walsh are stupid.


Gee, I wonder who this one is directed at... As a former athlete and former coach, tanking a game is an unforgivable act and I don't understand how anyone could condone it for any reason... Personally I think a man like Art Shell would pop someone right in the mouth for even suggesting him capaple of such a foul act... I guess I'd prefer to think of them as bad coaches rather than bad people... And yeah I'd rather stop following the team than support a franchise that would tank games...


They jump on the media bandwagon and roast their beloved organization on a spit.

This is just plain insulting... Like no one here is capable of independent thought, watching the games and using their own football IQ to come to their own conclusions?... There can be faith without blind faith... Didn't think goosestepping was a requirement to being a Raider fan...

There were some of us that supported Rob Ryan and have decided that Walsh isn't up to a standard we find reasonably acceptable... If you're truly happy with the concept of the Walsh offense that's your perogative... Personally when I find myself lauding Walsh for doing basic things like getting the backs involved in the short passing game and moving the pocket in week 8, I'm extremely disappointed and completely underwhelmed...
 
Rupert said:
Ummm, Brayton, whom everyone says is a model citizen often criticized his move to linebacker. Everyone knew who moved him there. You do the math.
Was it not also the case that he was sort of being moven out of the starting lineup with this move too? Certainly makes some sense.

But also, Tyler's criticism seems rather tame compared to some of the stuff being said about Walsh.

One last thing, one player as oppossed to multiple ones is also a difference between the two scenarios.

P.S. Good response HBoy.
 
HB: Pardon the indirect attack. It was originally written as a venting piece never to be published.
 
BigPoppaPump said:
Was it not also the case that he was sort of being moven out of the starting lineup with this move too? Certainly makes some sense.

But also, Tyler's criticism seems rather tame compared to some of the stuff being said about Walsh.

One last thing, one player as oppossed to multiple ones is also a difference between the two scenarios.
Very true. All good points.
 
I think the biggest difference between Ryan and Walsh in their first years is the fact that Ryan would at least try to adjust in the second half. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. He also would gameplan to the apparent weaknesses of the other team, which Walsh doesn't appear to do. If Ryan was going up against say the Ravens, who at the time were able to run at will, but didn't have much of a passing game, he'd plan for more of a defense up front rather than expecting a deep pass on every play.

Walsh, from what I've seen, has this mentality of I'm going to do what I want, no matter the cost. I want long pass plays every time and eventually one will make it through. The shotgun theory has thusfar proven to not work, and should be entirely retooled. Games where we were supposed to run first may have had the first few drives be run heavy were abandoned whether or not they worked. Games where the run worked effectively, he stopped calling run plays. Last week, from what I read, the playcalling was fantastic in the first half, then adjusted back to crap vanilla in the second.

My major point (after a bit of rambling) is that if Walsh adjusted to take advantage of opponent's weaknesses, I doubt that people would be calling for his head on a pike as much as they currently are. I for one, would liked to have Fassel come in as a co-coordinator, counselor, or what have you to help the team. It still allows Walsh overall authority, but brings in another set of eyes and ideas on how to win.
 
hawaiianboy said:
This is just plain insulting... Like no one here is capable of independent thought, watching the games and using their own football IQ to come to their own conclusions?... There can be faith without blind faith... Didn't think goosestepping was a requirement to being a Raider fan...

There were some of us that supported Rob Ryan and have decided that Walsh isn't up to a standard we find reasonably acceptable... If you're truly happy with the concept of the Walsh offense that's your perogative... Personally when I find myself lauding Walsh for doing basic things like getting the backs involved in the short passing game and moving the pocket in week 8, I'm extremely disappointed and completely underwhelmed...
Sigh. It's one of those shoe fits situations. If you think the shoe fits. Please, wear it proudly. If not. The comment isn't directed at you.

Second, Walsh has been doing those things since week one. It's a fact. If you didn't see them, or they weren't effective doesn't change that they did it. Again, I agree that they aren't done enough, but when some of our execution has been as horrible as it has been, you can expect to see those things toned down until we can execute them. Is that reasonable?
 
Rupert said:
You know, I don’t understand Raider fans today. I really don’t. I just had one tell me that suggesting the Raiders lost on purpose Sunday against Denver would be cause for him to stop supporting the team. He’d prefer to think that Art Shell and Tom Walsh are stupid.

The funny thing is that most Raiders fans feel this way. Tom Walsh is an idiot, and Art Shell proved his incompetence as a head coach by hiring him. Most Raiders fans think Al Davis is senile and needs to step down, so it doesn’t bother them that he hired Shell and approved the hiring of Walsh. The hires merely confirmed their beliefs about Mr. Davis.

That is simply not the case. I speak for myself and, I know, hawaiianboy in saying that we freakin' love Al Davis. The guy is, as Tony Kornheiser said a few weeks ago, a giant. He was, is, and forever will be the face of the Raiders. Aside from that, he's a wonderful humanitarian and civil rights leader, an extremely loyal friend by all accounts, and living proof that the American Dream exists and is attainable. Don't try to divert the issue of intentionally quitting into an issue of "Al Davis haters" because that's got less than nothing to do with it.

Further, I don't think that a bad choice of offensive coordinator makes Art Shell a bad coach. It means that he made a bad decision. There are a lot of people who still love Jon Gruden, yet will still criticize the tenure of Chuck Bresnahan. Just because somebody believes "A" (in this case that Walsh is a bad offensive coordinator), it does not necessarily follow that he or she (that's for you, TommyGirl) believes "B" (in this case that Art is an incompetent coach).

But there’s one thing I cannot get over. It’s okay to pledge undying support to an organization whose owner has lost his mind; an owner who is committed to trying to rekindle past glories when everyone else knows it’s impossible; an owner who has made his organization the laughing stock of the league; an owner who has turned a plum destination for free agents into a prune; an owner who cannot hire or keep competent coaches and therefore has to resort to hiring out of loyalty and desperation. It’s okay to pledge your undying support to that kind of organization. But it’s not okay to pledge undying support to an organization that has evaluated the talent and determined that it would rather lose ugly for one season than win ugly and still not make the playoffs; one season of shuffling offensive personnel and grooming a quarterback; one season of going through the motions; one season of finding out who you can go to war with; one season of taking your lumps so you can have a better tomorrow. Some of those complaints, by the way, were ringing through Raider Nation during the past two lost seasons. “Why don’t they play Tui and find out what they have?” “They should give Walter some playing time to start the transition.”

It is simple, really: nobody likes a quitter. If you go out and try your hardest and lose every single game, I can still respect you for the effort and support you. You may have lost, but you did not quit. You did not roll over and betray the support and loyalty that so many have pledged to you. If, on the other hand, you just stop trying, shut it down, and deliberately let the losses mount, I've got no respect for you and I cannot justify supporting you.

Bandwagon fans are bad enough... you think anyone wants to support a bandwagon organization?

Are there reasons to support the “lose ugly” theory? There are plenty:

Let’s look at wide receivers first. No-one understands why Alvis Whitted is starting over Ronald Curry. They can all understand why Porter went into the doghouse, but they can’t understand why he remains there (even though his behavior has been less than exemplary). But there’s little evidence that Whitted deserves to start over Curry. Whitted has incredible straight-line speed and fits the vertical stretch offense, but that doesn’t complement Randy Moss who is also a get open deep kind of receiver. Having two of those receivers on the field simultaneously goes against vertical stretch theory. Curry is a more reasonable complement to Randy Moss, or Alvis Whitted for that matter, but he’s relegated to third WR chores. Randy Moss has dropped so many passes that it’s ludicrous, but they keep running him out there instead of giving guys like Morant, or even Doghouse Porter, a shot every now and then.

First, the deal with Ron Curry was explained waaaay back in the off-season when the coaches didn't even try to hide the fact that they were worried about Ron Curry's ability to stay healthy. The coaches were a very above-board in stating that they did not want to push Curry too hard for fear of re-inury. And that's a perfectly reasonable and understandable stance to take, given Curry's history of Achilles problems.

As for Whitted's straight line speed not complementing Moss, I disagree. Again, go back to the pre-season and see what the coaches envisioned for this team: Vertical passing and active tight ends. If a defense rolls coverage over to Moss, that would theoretically leave Whitted in single coverage. Further, putting both Moss and Whitted down the field would theoretically open things up underneath for the TEs and/or 3rd receiver.

Lastly, though nobody likes to consider it because we all want to believe that all of the young players with measurables are diamonds in the rough, just waiting for their chance to shine, perhaps the coaches have seen in practice that Johnny Morant isn't all that good?

Then there is Randall Williams at tight end. The guy put on 30 pounds of muscle in the off-season. He bulked up from being a receiver into a tight end. He didn’t lose an appreciable amount of speed, but he’s demonstrated that his hands lost some of their flexibility. In fact, they’ve almost gone stone cold. But the Raiders keep running him out there, and worse still, they keep throwing at him. Sunday he rewarded their confidence in him by hauling in 5 of the 8 passes thrown to him, matching the number of catches from the previous 8 games.

Randall Williams did not come into the season as the #1 TE on the depth chart. That distinction went to Courtney Anderson. Courtney had early problems with drops as well, so they upped Williams' playing time, only to see him drop several passes. So... then they worked in John Madsen, who has also been anything but reliable. So, what do you do? You have to choose from 3 less than proven options. You go with the guy who gets it done in practice. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Williams is that guy. In fact, it is FAR more reasonable to assume that as opposed to a team that historically has placed a premium on winning and has a Hall of Famer/Super Bowl Winner as its head coach is suddenly, deliberately tanking games.

There has been a rash of mysterious injuries on the team. Aaron Brooks fumbles two consecutive snaps and mysteriously injures a pectoral muscle in week two. That injury is supposed to take two to four weeks to heal. Yet somehow in the ninth game, eight weeks later, it’s still a problem. Barry Sims pulls an abdominal muscle in week eight but isn’t injured enough to come out of the game. But come Monday morning, it’s too tender and there’s no scheduled time for his return. In the wee hours before week ten’s game it’s reported that Gallery injured a groin sometime late in the week and was be replaced by Slaughter at left tackle. Slaughter, who played well at right tackle previously and is more of a right tackle physically, has practiced most of the year at left tackle. Gallery and Sims were both struggling in their play but were left in as starters far too long for different reasons, Gallery is a number two overall pick and Sims has been a warrior for the team. Gallery’s mysterious game-day injury announcement looks more like a way to save his pride while they try to salvage any value he has left. Sims’s injury is also a way to save the pride of one of your own warriors who cannot cut the mustard anymore. The open-ended nature of both injuries allows the team to put them back in at a moment’s notice if their replacements are ineffective.

Brooks was getting absolutely crushed... and his "mysterious injury" happened in the middle of a game. Further, as somebody who works in the occupational health field, I can tell you that people heal differently and at different rates. Additionally, it is far from uncommon for football teams to announce that Player X" is going to be ready to play football again after an injury and then have it turn out to be much later. That happens on a weekly basis. It is, again, far more reasonable to assume that Brooks' injury took longer to heal than expected than it is to promote the notion that this is but a link in the conspiracy chain that says that the Raiders are losing on purpose.

The same can very much be said for both Sims and Gallery. On the one hand, there's a doctor saying that the players cannot go... on the other hand, there's you wearing a tin-foil hat and claiming that they could go but they're in on the conspiracy to lose games.
 
Rupert, in HBoy's defense, he is dealing with PTPWRBD (Post Stress Posting With Raider Bill Disorder). It causes a lot of us to have short fuses.....and HBoy's got a really short fuse. I mean really short.....like 3 inches. :p
 
If we were in the practice of tanking games for a better pick I think we would've found away to lose that late season game against the Ravens in 2003 that ended up costing us the overall #1 pick of the 2004 draft. Or last years game against the Redskins. Lose that one and we draft 3rd this year instead of 7th.
 
YodasBeast said:
I think the biggest difference between Ryan and Walsh in their first years is the fact that Ryan would at least try to adjust in the second half. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. He also would gameplan to the apparent weaknesses of the other team, which Walsh doesn't appear to do. If Ryan was going up against say the Ravens, who at the time were able to run at will, but didn't have much of a passing game, he'd plan for more of a defense up front rather than expecting a deep pass on every play.

Walsh, from what I've seen, has this mentality of I'm going to do what I want, no matter the cost. I want long pass plays every time and eventually one will make it through. The shotgun theory has thusfar proven to not work, and should be entirely retooled. Games where we were supposed to run first may have had the first few drives be run heavy were abandoned whether or not they worked. Games where the run worked effectively, he stopped calling run plays. Last week, from what I read, the playcalling was fantastic in the first half, then adjusted back to crap vanilla in the second.

My major point (after a bit of rambling) is that if Walsh adjusted to take advantage of opponent's weaknesses, I doubt that people would be calling for his head on a pike as much as they currently are. I for one, would liked to have Fassel come in as a co-coordinator, counselor, or what have you to help the team. It still allows Walsh overall authority, but brings in another set of eyes and ideas on how to win.
Yes, but Ryan didn't change from the 3-4 as his base scheme did he, even when it failed miserably time and again.

Yep, I'm still boggled about the Denver game plan. That's where the initial losing on purpose idea came from. Nothing else seemed sensible.
 
Then there’s the offensive game plan. Week one saw a diverse game plan get submarined by a tremendous talent imbalance. Many fans point to this as a sign that the coaches didn’t know how bad the talent really was. Then the following weeks see a severely limited game plan struggle against the better teams, and suffer from breakdowns against more comparable teams. People complain about the lack of passes to running backs, the preponderance of five and seven step drops by the quarterback, the preponderance of deep routes, too few screen passes. In essence, very little done to help protect a quarterback from a relentless pass rush other than take away receivers to make them blockers, which is of little use when his receivers can’t get open and his blockers can’t sustain their blocks. Some of the game plan decisions can be attributed to the lack of talent; too many passes are being dropped. Some of the game plan decisions are because of poor execution; not a single screen pass was well executed through the first eight games.

And all of that adds up to a bad offensive coordinator, not a scandalous team-wide effort to lose football games in order to get better draft position. I mean, go back to the second sentence in that paragraph: Week one saw a diverse game plan get submarined by a tremendous talent imbalance.

We're a bad team all on our own, without conspiracies to help us along, as you essentially admit in describing the "tremendous talent imbalance" that was witnessed in week 1.

So we come back to the Denver game. In the first half the offense is diverse: there are well executed screen passes, there are outlet passes to the running backs, the blocking holds up, there are diverse passing plays with shorter routes and quarterback drops, and the running game is effective. Then, inexplicably, the second half looks like all of the ineffective game plans from the past: screen and outlet passes are abandoned, the short routes disappear, the most effective running plays are eliminated, and seven step drops become more prevalent. The two halves look like a tragedy played out on a Shakespearian scale.

And this is a pattern that has played out in EVERY game we've played, as illustrated by our lack of second half scoring in just about EVERY game we've played. This is indicative of a failure by the offensive coordinator to make half-time adjustments. Again, a far more reasonable assumption than the "lose ugly" theory that you're trying to propagate. That reasonable assumption is bolstered by Andrew Walter's recent comments regarding the depth of the playbook, the lack of diversity in the game plans, and the fact that other teams are making halftime adjustments to take away whatever worked for us in the first half.

How does it all add up? It’s easy to step back and accept all the negative press the organization has gotten. I don’t know of a single reporter that thought hiring Shell was the best move the organization could make, they almost uniformly claimed it was due to the poisoned waters in the organization that come from Al Davis himself. They derided the hiring of Walsh and emphasized Art Shell’s pledge to him after their last tenure with the Raiders as the only reason he was hired. They made it quite clear that they didn’t think he was of any value, and couldn’t possibly know anything about football after having been out of the NFL for twelve years and failing miserably at two head coaching positions at small fry teams. They pointed out he was Mayor of Nowhereville and ran a bed and breakfast as well. Those were plenty of reasons to ridicule him, Art Shell, Al Davis, and the Raiders.

There were several reporters who said that hiring Art Shell was a good fit.

Here's a writer from Sports Illustrated who liked it. That's from the first page of a yahoo search that was simple "Raiders hire art shell."

And while the press was hard on Tom Walsh, how can you say with a straight face that they were in any way wrong to do so? The guy DID run a bed and breakfast. The guy WAS a mayor of a small town. The guy HAD BEEN out of football for a long time.

So what do Raiders fans do? Do they return to the “us versus them” mentality of the organization from the old days? No. They jump on the media bandwagon and roast their beloved organization on a spit. They roast the new head coach. They roast the offensive coordinator. They conveniently forget that they roasted the defensive coordinator when he was brought in two years prior. They forget that many of them wanted him to be fired after last season too. They conveniently forget that the man they wanted to run out of town as the village idiot is now being praised for his defense. And they conveniently forget that I was one of the few voices to support Rob Ryan.

I didn't know you back then, nor did most of the recent influx of posters who have come here... but you were far from "one of the few voices to support Rob Ryan." Maybe in the crowd you usually run with, sure... but there have been several of us - a majority, in fact - who have liked Ryan. Do not make the mistaken assumptions that criticism in any form equals "media bandwagon" or that you're the only guy on the board who loves this team. Not only is it emphatically incorrect, but it paints you in a very bad, very holier-than-thou light.

Was I right about Rob Ryan? Sort of. Back then, as today, I preached patience. I said there were things to like in the way he went about his business. I said there were signs he knew how to get the defense working. Today, I’m saying the same things about the offensive coordinator. For the past two years, people couldn’t see what I was talking about in Rob Ryan. This season, they can’t see what I’m talking about in Tom Walsh, but I’m taking even more heat than before because the natives are restless.

Poor, put upon you. How dare anyone have a differing opinion, right? They should all just listen to you and accept YOUR opinion as gospel.

What are the similarities between Rob Ryan and Tom Walsh? When Rob Ryan came on board, he didn’t have enough talent on defense. Now the Raiders are far more talented than his first season, with plenty of kids and room to grow. I still don’t know if he can develop and maintain a shut down defense, but I do know he can field a very good one. Back when everyone was calling for his head, I only had glimpses that he could do it, nothing concrete. Today Tom Walsh doesn’t have a very talented group on offense. I’ve pointed out all the elements people say our offense lacks. The truth is it hasn’t lacked those elements. The real truth is it lacks those elements in the unspecified proportions that the media and they think it should.

No, the real truth is that Tom Walsh's offense isn't just bad, but it is threatening to end the season as historically incompetent. Further, you haven't pointed out elements that our offense has lacked in any greater detail than most anyone else. What you have done repeatedly, however, is defend Walsh's offensive gameplan and play calls... and now the starting quarterback of the team has made statements that directly contradict you... as if the results haven't been enough.

Will Tom Walsh, like Ryan before him, be forced to do things Al Davis’s way next season? It’s not very likely, since Walsh is already doing things Al Davis’s way, at least that’s what everyone believes. Will Tom Walsh be fired after the season? That isn’t very likely either since Rob Ryan was allowed to fail miserably for two seasons while he put the talent in place to succeed.

Al Davis' way means winning football games. Ryan got a pass because his defense was improving and was matched by an equally foundering offense. This year, however, Walsh can say neither about his unit.
 
Rupert said:
Whitted has incredible straight-line speed and fits the vertical stretch offense, but that doesn’t complement Randy Moss who is also a get open deep kind of receiver. Having two of those receivers on the field simultaneously goes against vertical stretch theory. Curry is a more reasonable complement to Randy Moss, or Alvis Whitted for that matter, but he’s relegated to third WR chores. Randy Moss has dropped so many passes that it’s ludicrous, but they keep running him out there instead of giving guys like Morant, or even Doghouse Porter, a shot every now and then.
I can agree with these comments. They make sense.
TGallery’s mysterious game-day injury announcement looks more like a way to save his pride while they try to salvage any value he has left. Sims’s injury is also a way to save the pride of one of your own warriors who cannot cut the mustard anymore. The open-ended nature of both injuries allows the team to put them back in at a moment’s notice if their replacements are ineffective.
I'm not sure what your stance is on this. Do you not like it? I mean, it's pretty obvious that the injuries are probably not legit, but would you rather Art say, "They suck. I'm benching them." I think this, at least, has been handled appropriately and sensibly.

So we come back to the Denver game. In the first half the offense is diverse: there are well executed screen passes, there are outlet passes to the running backs, the blocking holds up, there are diverse passing plays with shorter routes and quarterback drops, and the running game is effective. Then, inexplicably, the second half looks like all of the ineffective game plans from the past: screen and outlet passes are abandoned, the short routes disappear, the most effective running plays are eliminated, and seven step drops become more prevalent. The two halves look like a tragedy played out on a Shakespearian scale.
I think Walter somewhat addressed this issue with the notion that the playbook isn't deep enough with these kinds of plays. Of course I'm inferencing a lot, but if they're exhausting those plays early on in the game, Walter's point about defenses recognizing them the second time around holds particular weight with me.
So what do Raiders fans do? Do they return to the “us versus them” mentality of the organization from the old days? No. They jump on the media bandwagon and roast their beloved organization on a spit.
I didn't. I darn near got teary-eyed at the press conference introducing Art as the head coach. I responded at a gut level to the desire to own the AFC West. I believed it when he said they had to start by winning at home. Then came the pre-season and I believed, brother, I BELIEVED. I thought this O-Line would be invincible after a few weeks. I rejoiced that Gallery was moving back to LT.

However, after seeing the beginning of the season, you're damn right the roasting began. I did call for the head of Rob Ryan. I was unhappy with trying to move to a 3-4 without the right personnel. I bitched and moaned at seeing Sapp at DE and Brayton at LB. It didn't FIT. The difference is this: Ryan made adjustments. He learned from his mistakes. We're not seeing that so far in Walsh. Will we? Maybe. Either way, I'm not bailing, but you can plan on seeing just as much bitching and moaning now as then when I see things that I don't like or things that don't make a hell of a lot of sense to me. As a knowledgable Raiders fan, you should expect no less. You should GIVE no less.

This has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with the fact that we're smart enough to see what's wrong. Give us some credit. We see the media for what it is. We're used to it. Some of us just happen to agree with what's being written. What's more, some of us were saying it BEFORE it was even written. We chose to hope and to follow our team anyway.
 
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Rupert said:
Yes, but Ryan didn't change from the 3-4 as his base scheme did he, even when it failed miserably time and again.

Yep, I'm still boggled about the Denver game plan. That's where the initial losing on purpose idea came from. Nothing else seemed sensible.
IIRC, Davis wanted to establish the 3-4 as the base before the season, since so many teams were having success with it. Ryan implemented it and tried to stick with it, even though the personnel didn't fit it and kept it until Davis told him otherwise. After Davis told him to change back, he did and there was notable improvement.

This is also the reason that Brayton was forced into the LB experiment that you mentioned elsewhere in here.
 
IIRC, Brayton was moved to LB only after Sam Williams and Travian Smith were lost to injuries.... I never saw it as that big a deal personally, because it was more of a 52 defense than it was the Steelers 34 where the OLB's are used primarily as rush backers... The strongside OLB was basically responsible for setting the edge against the run and dropping to the short flat once in awhile... Same thing Ryan did with Willie McGinnist...
 
Too many words in this thread.

Someone make some cliff notes, please?

;)
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Too many words in this thread.

Someone make some cliff notes, please?

;)
::In Frankenstein Voice::
Walsh Bad!
Ryan Good!
 
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