I think we kicked AFCW draft ass!

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Denver:
1: Jarvis Moss
-Could have got him at 21, instead it was an ill advised trade up. Schefter even said he thought it looked desperate.

2: Tim Crowder
-Great pick...In round 3

3: Ryan Harris
-Not bad

4: Marcus Thomas
-Character issues galore. They also traded a ton for him.

KC:

1: Dwayne Bowe
-Not bad, but Staley and Meachem were better value

2: Turk McBride
-6 career sacks, undersized for a DT, slow for a DT...Heh

3: Tank Tyler
-Great pick. Nuff said

5: Kolby Smith
-Eh

5: Justin Medlock
-I've watched this guy miss some clutch kicks...

6: Herb Taylor
-Good pick, but OL this late.? Woops.

7: TBD

San Diego:
1: Craig Davis
-REACH

2: Eric Weddle
-REACH + a ton of picks. He woulda been there at 63...

3: Anthony Waters
-I like him, but he hasnt played in a while...

4: Scott Chandler
-Nice backup TE pickup...I guess.

5: Legedu Naanee
-No comment. I wanted him on the Raiders. Damn.

Meanwhile we got rid of Moss, added McCown, Mike Williams, JaMarcus Russell, Zach Miller, Quinton Moses, Mike Bush, Mario Henderson, JL Higgins and change...

Raiders 1, AFW 0.
 
Yep, we've definitely done better than our AFCW brothers this draft. We even got a back named Orenthal...killer draft! :eek:
 
1 1 Russell, JaMarcus QB 6-6 263 Louisiana State
The man, the myth the cannon

2 38 Miller, Zach TE 6-5 259 Arizona State
Starting TE... yea we can use one of those

3 65 Moses, Quentin DE 6-5 249 Georgia
former potential top 15 guy... great pass rusher. some concerns

3 91 Henderson, Mario OT 6-6 302 Florida State
developmental big agile OT. My nickname for him? Coolio - see his pic

3 99 Higgins, Johnnie Lee WR 5-11 184 Texas-El Paso
great value here. could be a great 3rd WR for us

4 100 Bush, Michael RB 6-3 253 Louisville
before the injury - was the #2 back in this class. could be a steal if hes healthy

4 110 Bowie, John CB 5-10 187 Cincinnati
This is al's pick of this draft. fastest player in the draft

5 138 Richardson, Jay DE 6-5 276 Ohio State
multifacted DE. could be a good rotational backup

5 165 Frampton, Eric SS 5-11 205 Washington State
Don't call him peter - good in the box S. Will be a monster on STs.

6 175 O'Neal, Oren FB 5-11 242 Arkansas State
Thumper at FB that can catch. good backup to griffith. spells the end for zack crockett.
 
I think the Donx took three boom or bust types... Crowder is solid, but the rest are hit or miss IMO... I guess the Rat has the job security to pull a draft like that...


KC is a typical Herm Edwards kind of draft... Two effort DT's and a pretty good back... I'm not too happy about having Bowe in our division...


SD came out with two pretty damn good players IMO, though the price they paid for each was high... I think Buster Davis is going to be a scary receiver in that system... He's a perfect compliment to the developing big guy Vincent Jackson.... and freakin Weddle is a smart, instinctive football player... I think from top to bottom, the Bolts have the most talented roster in the NFL.... Hopefully, Norval will sink them...
 
Wow our draft kills all. If you add Mike Williams and Josh McCown its not even close.
 
The Bronco's forum is going nuts with how piss poor a draft they had;

I think SD reached big time on Davis and Weddle, but recovered nicely getting Waters, Naanee, Chandler and Siler late.

A close second for them.

KC...Not overly impressed. Bowe is good, but even they will agree that value was left on the board. Turk? ehh. Tank Tyler is a big time boom/bust type.

I'd say we were head and shoulders the best, and I've seen plenty of division rivals agree with me.
 
Best Raider draft of all time? Could be!
 
Tank is a great pick? He's Hawthorne if Hawthorne had mustered the motivation to assault a police officer. He'll fit in great as Leonard Little II 's cellmate.
 
Big, strong, athletic and fills a huge need in KC...

Again, why is that a bad pick?

I like to rag on KC as much as anyone, but that was a good pick.
 
I am sure the Chiefs would like to think they just drafted their starting DT tandem for the next 10 years, but I have doubts if either one of these guys will ever be special.

They may be decent, workman-like guys, but I ain't getting a Jamal Williams, Cortez Kennedy vibe off of those two. Tank is limited, and Turk is a man without a position.

Not horrible picks, tho.

Like the Bowe pick. I think he can turn into a strong, solid dependable guy.

Chiefs had a 3 man draft.



Broncos?

If I had to pick 8 or 10 guys from the first round to bust, Moss would be on my list. I was concerned he would be there at #33.

Like the Crowder and Harris picks. Marcus Thomas is an obvious red flag, but only went in the 4th round. But wait, they traded a 6th, 7th, and a 3rd next year to get that pick. Trading Day 1 picks for a character risk on Day 2? With all that's going on? I am not sure Thomas is that special. It was a bad year for DT's, and teams got desperate.



Chargers?

I'm not knocking the Craig Davis pick. People rate WRs differently, and I frankly don't think anyone is very good at projecting WR success. But Eric Weddle? To recap: For the #37 pick, the Chargers gave up their 2nd, their 3rd, their 5th, and a 3rd next year.

Wanna play a fun game? Let's play, "what could the Chargers have gotten at those picks insted of Eric Weddle?" How about: Quentin Moses, Daymion Hughes, and Troy Smith? :eek:

They came back with some decent picks late, Siler and Chandler, but 3 Day 1 picks for Eric Weddle??? AJ Smith is a good GM, but he's not beyond criticism.
 
I think AJ Smith is a hit or miss GM. How ever you look at right now Drew Brees is a great QB in NFL. They could have used that Rivers pick so many other ways... I really think he got lucky that so far Rivers looks good. He botched that and gave up on Drew a year early. Marty told him not to.
 
Rockin' at Ricky's
By Josh Peter, Yahoo! Sports
April 28, 2007

Josh Peter
Yahoo! Sports
SAN LEANDRO, Calif. – They filed into the war room at 6:30 a.m. After months of planning, weeks of deliberation and endless debate, here they were, less than three hours before they'd be on the clock with the first pick of the 2007 NFL draft. So they got down to business.

Someone welcomed the security guards. Someone else tapped the kegs. And at 8:01 a.m. sharp, a bartender served the first drink – a Bloody Mary, spicy, double vodka.

Al Davis, owner of the Oakland Raiders, could have probably used a triple vodka, but he was nowhere to be found. Neither was Lane Kiffin or the rest of the Raiders' new coaching staff.

No, this was the team's "unofficial" war room. The big orange sign out front says "Ricky's," but it might as well say "Raiders Nation." On Saturday, the bar and grill looked like a reunion of the cast from "Mad Max," with more black leather, metal spikes and tattoos than you'd find at a Dominatrix convention. With a silver and black motif, of course.

They fortified the joint with extra security, extra help and extra booze, because one never knows what to expect when the likes of Spike, Voodoo Man and Skull Lady show up for the annual draft day party. Maybe they figured the alcohol intake would be up with the Raiders coming off another dismal season, though the consolation of going 2-14 and having the worst record of the league was the coveted No. 1 pick.

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As the fateful decision neared, the credo "Just win, baby," gave way to "Just drink, baby."

A man who looked straight out of the Stone Age extended his right paw. He bore a resemblance to the late Lyle Alzado, the scraggly-bearded and crazed Raiders defensive end.

"I'm Barbarian, and that's Destroyer," the man said, pointing at his 19-year-old son, wearing his father's old Raiders' jersey. "My wife is Mrs. B." As in Mrs. Barbarian.

No one outside the Raiders' brain trust was allowed in the team's war room, and the event at Ricky's was almost as exclusive. At about 8:15 a.m., Larry Leon and his son Raymond loitered outside the fenced off parking lot asking passersby, "Got any extra tickets?" They finally gave up and headed for a nearby bar.

But no one was giving up their tickets. They cost just $15 apiece, but the only way to get them was to be a card-carrying member of the Raiders booster club, with the dues-paying faithful coming from as far as Carson City, Nevada, Denver and York, Pa.

With a jolt, Barbarian announced, "We're on the clock."

Fifteen minutes and counting. Would it be JaMarcus Russell? Would it be Calvin Johnson? Or would it be a wild trade?

"With all this, we'll probably get a kicker," cracked Denise Browne, and the notion must have felt like a kick to the crotch for most Raiders fans.

Inside the bar, they gathered around the 75 television sets. Framed jerseys of George Blanda, Kenny Stabler and Jim Plunkett and other memorabilia conjured up memories of sweeter times for Raider Nation. Outside the bar, Barbarian and dozens of others in a crowd that would grow to more than 400 gathered around the two flat screen TVs and watched the draft broadcast.

An image of wide receiver Randy Moss flashed on the screen. You would've thought it was a picture of Bin Laden. The crowd around the TV hissed, still livid about Moss blaming dropped passes last season on the fact he was not happy, despite his multimillion-dollar salary.

"I don't ever want to see Randy Moss in silver and black again," the Barbarian growled. "Kick the punk to the curb. If you paid me half of what he makes, I'd never drop a pass."

On the screen crawl, a graphic listed each team's key losses. Under the Raiders, quarterback Aaron Brooks was listed. Shag Rhoades, a member of the "Insane Raiders Posse," almost choked on his Jack Daniels.

"That ain't a key loss," he shouted at the TV screen. "That's a positive."

Last year, Brooks earned boos only slightly less derisive than the ones reserved for Moss. After the season ended, the Raiders released him, and Brooks left town before the Raiders mob could chase him out.

Without Brooks around and only the image of Moss, the most restless Raiders fans took out their aggravation on the ESPN commentators – in particular Steve Young, who used to play quarterback for the hated San Francisco 49ers.

"Aw, shut up," a member of the Insane Raider Posse blurted out every time Young opened his mouth.

Then restlessness gave way to suspense as the 15 minutes allotted before the Raiders had to name their pick was ticking down. Roger Goodell, NFL commissioner, strode to the lectern. The clock stopped. The crowd at Ricky's grew silent. Well, almost.

"With the first pick of the 2007 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select …"

The Barbarian actually looked frightened, as if he had returned to his cave and come face-to-face with a Mastadon.

"… JaMarcus Russell."

Cheers erupted, and the Barbarian roared, Spike shook his leather covered fist and somewhere the Voodoo Man was sticking pins in a 49ers doll. They celebrated as if they had just witnessed something truly extraordinary, such as a Raiders touchdown. (Last year Oakland's offense scored all of 12.)

Something strange was happening here at the "unofficial war room." Maybe it had something to do with the liquor. Maybe it had something to do with the rising temperatures. Maybe it had something to do with blind faith. But the Raider Nation exuded optimism.

OK, so not everybody was cheering.

"If he eats a few more cheeseburgers, he can play tackle," someone muttered about Russell, who's 6-foot-6 and a Whopper shy of 260 pounds.

But then ESPN played footage of Russell throwing the ball from his knees, a spiral that sailed 62 yards.

"It's hard to argue with that," someone else said, and no one else said another thing about cheeseburgers or Russell's thick build. Yeah, maybe Calvin Johnson will catch 20 touchdown passes next season and end up in the Pro Bowl, and maybe Brady Quinn will prove he was better prepared for the NFL than Russell and lead the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs. But now Russell was theirs, no matter how many cheeseburgers he ate and even if he ended up flipping them at Ricky's.

Some people think Raiders fans are insane. But on Saturday, they came across as insanely loyal. Take Ricky Ricardo, the owner of the joint that serves as home of Raider Nation. Even when the Raiders bolted Oakland for Los Angeles in 1982, he continued to show the Raiders game at his bar every Sunday they played. His place wasn't just the heart of Raider Nation, it was the aorta.

Ricardo loves to tell about the time he ran into Al Davis in London before the Raiders played an exhibition game there against the New Orleans Saints.

"We've still got the torch burning for you," Ricardo said.

Davis shook his fist.

"Keep it burning," he said.

In 1995, the Raiders were back. And even now, after four dreadful seasons with only 15 victories in 64 games, the torch was burning strong at Ricky's. Two Raider cheerleaders showed up. The players came next, 10 in all. Fans lined up for autographs, and Barbarian wrapped his meaty hands around the shoulders of each player as he posed for pictures and asked them what they thought of the Raiders' draft choice.

"It's official," Barbarian roared, "We're going to the Super Bowl."

No one, not even the security guards, dared suggest otherwise. But most everybody knew better. With a thin offensive line, moody receivers and a few other question marks, the Raiders will face serious problems. But none as serious as the one Ricardo faced in the Raiders' "unofficial" war room.

Things looked as desperate as Brooks did last year dropping back on third-and-long.

By 1:30 p.m., before the Raiders had even made their second pick, he was already running out of beer.

Josh Peter is a writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Josh a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

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Dudes pretty harsh on everyone (nobody got an A or A-), but he agrees - Raiders best in AFC West

all 32 teams here: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070429/SPORTS0101/704290353&template=printart

Mike O'Hara grades the NFL Draft

Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News


Denver Broncos: C

They needed pass-rush help and got DE Jarvis Moss of Florida by trading up. He's a pure rusher. DE Tim Crowder of Texas was decent value on the second round.


Kansas City Chiefs: D+

They needed help on the offensive line but didn't draft for that area until the sixth round. They took WR Dwayne Bowe of LSU in the first round when OT Joe Staley was on the board.

Oakland Raiders: B-

JaMarcus Russell is their franchise QB, and they traded with the Lions for two players who might help them -- QB Josh McCown and WR Mike Williams, if he wants to play. RB Michael Bush of Louisville was a good second-day pick.


San Diego Chargers: C+

They don't need much help. GM A.J. Smith is a sharp evaluator and added depth with WR Craig Davis of LSU and CB Eric Weddle of Utah in the first two rounds.
 
Ricardo loves to tell about the time he ran into Al Davis in London before the Raiders played an exhibition game there against the New Orleans Saints.
Blimey Limee thats your real name!?:eek:
 
Ricky's = worst food in the East Bay! Bones knows.
 
AFC WEST

Denver Denver Broncos: Anyone who saw the Broncos last year knew that their defensive line was woefully inadequate by true contender status. Thus, the emphasis in the first four picks was necessary. Jarvis Moss had a lot of detractors because he's a little stiff for an end. Still, he has the quickness to be a factor in the pass rush right away. Tim Crowder was an excellent talent to get in the second round. In that vein, Marcus Thomas is an outstanding risk to take in the fourth round. He had a problem with marijuana in college, but several defensive line coaches around the NFL said he was the second-best defensive-tackle talent in this draft behind Amobi Okoye.
Grade: B-

Kansas City Kansas City Chiefs: For those who haven't seen Dwayne Bowe, he's really something to behold physically. You don't draw them up much better than Bowe when it comes to size-speed guys at wide receiver. In any year that didn't include Calvin Johnson, Bowe might have been the talk of the receiver group. The next two picks are straight needs and speak to Kansas City's failure to pick good defensive tackles in the past. Tank Tyler has some character issues, but he's amazingly strong (he did 42 reps at the combine on the 225-pound bench press). Kolby Smith is a good backup to Larry Johnson and should allow the Chiefs to reduce Johnson's NFL-record workload (416 carries) of last season.
Grade: B-

Oakland Oakland Raiders: When you have the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, it's easy for people to like what you do. Quarterback JaMarcus Russell is a wonderful physical talent, far and away the most gifted passer the league has seen in years. As for the rest of the draft, the Raiders got a lot of players who have star potential, such as defensive end Quentin Moses, who had a first-round grade on him going into last season before dropping down the board. Mario Henderson is a terrific left tackle prospect. If running back Michael Bush ever returns to health, he's a guy who had first-round talent before getting hurt and could be a bruising power runner. Getting Zach Miller was nice, especially since the Raiders were able to trade down and still get him. The bottom line is that 10 of the 11 picks could easily make the roster.
Grade: A

San Diego San Diego Chargers: Craig Davis is a serious burner who gives the Chargers an immediate deep threat to complement the likes of Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates. The Chargers paid a steep price to get cornerback Eric Weddle, but he also figures to start right away, which is pretty significant when you're going to a title-contending team. The rest of the players are all terrific athletes, which is an A.J. Smith specialty and a reason why the Chargers have been able to sustain free-agent losses in recent years. Linebacker Brandon Siler has some big-time character issues, but he has plenty of talent.
Grade: C+
 
I think AJ Smith is a hit or miss GM. How ever you look at right now Drew Brees is a great QB in NFL. They could have used that Rivers pick so many other ways... I really think he got lucky that so far Rivers looks good. He botched that and gave up on Drew a year early. Marty told him not to.

I thought they needed a QB. When they took Rivers it came after a season in which Brees as a 3rd year starter ended up getting benched for 5 games as punishment for constantly making bad decisions. At the point in time it didn't look like he was progressing.
 
I agree he struggled in his third year, but that team was very young and it wasnt on just his shoulders. He played well for a young guy his first two seasons. His third was very Shaky but it wasnt horrible. I would think if AJ smith had a great eye for talent everyone says, he might have seen the next few amazing years coming. Drew Brees is a star Qb who turned around the Saints and took them to the NFC champ passing for 4,400 +! I think AJ would have had a SB trophy if Brees was his QB in the playoffs last year. Marty is on record telling him that Brees wasnt the problem. I think AJ Smith was in a tough spot, but he let Brees go for a high priced rookie. If that was another player and Drew Brees was the QB still. They might have the FIRST trophy, haha. BUt hindisght is 20/20, maybe i just hate the cChargers alot.

QB rATING'S
2001 - 94.8
2002 - 76.9
2003 - 67.5
2004 - 104.8
2005 - 89.2
2006 - 96.2
TOTAl - 87.5
 
Ricky's = worst food in the East Bay! Bones knows.

Agreed. I've been there done that with Ricky's. I suppose it's a must stop for 1st or 2nd time out of towner's, but overall, that place is sort of....meh.

I realize that is probably blasphemous.
 
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