How do we fix the Oline at this point?

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It's obvious we're not looking to free agency as a solution, and anything we draft will probably be a non-factor for at least a year. I figured that this would be a huge point of interest of the staff, but other than adding Newberry, flip-flopping Gallery, and putting Mr. Speed Rusher back in at LT, we haven't done jack. Considering that the Oline was this teams biggest problem (among many others), what the hell are they gonna do?

Is a scheme change gonna get it done? 3 step drops/ west coast offense?

I think that will help some in the passing game, but when it's time to line up and pound it, I don't see anything that tells me we can be any more successful than last year. If we are counting on setting up the run by being able to pass and back out the defense, I don't like it. And I don't see how we can fix it with the current personnel

Any thoughts?
 
I think our 320lb "TE" is your answer. He'll likely be installed as our 6th lineman, effectively making Sims a guard.
 
Personally, I'd try and make a trade with Philly for Tra Thomas, who is said to be expendable because of salary and young players like Todd Herremans and Winston Justice ready to step in...


Otherwise, we have to hope that stuffing that awful blocking scheme and basic offense of last year back into the time capsule we found it in makes a difference in performance... That and the addition of Tom Cable as O-line coach... Hopefully players like Grove and Gallery that really struggled with last years scheme improve now that they are back in a scheme they excelled in at the collegiate level...


I'm certainly not comfortable since all we did was dump Langston and reshuffle the deck... Unfortunately IMO, things set up better last offseason to improve the talent than they do this one... IMO, this is a really weak class of OT's and all we need to know about the FA class is answered with by taking one look at the contract Langston got ...
 
I think drafting Ryan Khalil would be a good start. He's probably one a few OL in this draft outside of Levi Brown and Joe Thomas who's probably capable of starting right away. I just don't think Jake Grove has shown anything since we drafted him. At least Gallery has shown some glimpses at times, especially at RT.

I'm not entirely comfortable with our OL going into the season but apparently Cable sees some things that he likes. I'd like to see us add a bit of depth via the draft.
 
I too would love to get Khalil. Where is he projected to go in the draft?
 
Anywhere from late first to mid second.
 
Yeah, zone blocking worked oh so well the frist time around. Perhaps these dudes just suck? No, that couldn't be the answer. It's always the coaching.
 
After we draft CJ or Russell, I think we should draft all Oline & Dline the rest of the way.

Disclaimer: Unless of course some awesome talent slips to us.

Do we need 1 (or 2) DT's? YES

Do we need 1 DE? YES

Do we need at least 1 OG? YES

Do we need at least 1 OT? YES

Do we need to upgrade at C? YES

I would have NO problem at all if we did something like that. (shrug)
 
I concur. If we are not going to add talent through free agency then we have to be prepared to draft some more lineman. It is going to take time, patience and a whole lot of work to get this turned around. If there is a lineman worthy of the pick in the second, third, fourth ... then we need to take them. We need to upgrade the skill positions, but they will not be fully effective unless the line is improved.
 
The longer this Moss thing drags on, the more I'm convinced that we are taking Russell/Quinn.

We'll do a lot of max protect with double TE and/or the FB and the team is counting on Moss/Porter/Curry to provide the firepower IMO.
 
I've read Justin Smiley is on the trade block. The 49ers starting guards for next year look to be Larry Allen and Adam Snyder. Smiley is an UFA next year. He has started 41 games in 3 years. Remember how the Saints acquired Jeff Faine by moving down in the 2nd...so how about #33 for #42 + Smiley.
 
I've read Justin Smiley is on the trade block. The 49ers starting guards for next year look to be Larry Allen and Adam Snyder. Smiley is an UFA next year. He has started 41 games in 3 years. Remember how the Saints acquired Jeff Faine by moving down in the 2nd...so how about #33 for #42 + Smiley.

I could probably co-sign that. Losing 9 spots in round to acquire a solid NFL starter to throw in to battle at the OG spot is worth it.
 
Jerry Mac's blog touched on the O-line today:



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Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Friday at 3:29 pm


Al Davis is the most important person in the Raiders organization, of course. No dispute there. The guy IS the Raiders.

Next in line is Lane Kiffin, by virtue of his title as head coach.

Davis has given Kiffin a lot of rope, but it takes severe Raider myopia to not recognize that new coaches have historically received a lot of latitude from the boss.

It's only when things go bad that all that rope becomes a hangman's noose.

But unlike Art Shell, who used his rope to hire Tom Walsh as offensive coordinator, Kiffin has lassoed Tom Cable as his offensive line coach, and in so doing gave himself a much better chance of success than his predecessor.

I've talked to a lot of people about Cable since Kiffin first interviewed him at the Senior Bowl. On the record and off, seldom has been heard a discouraging word.

People say Cable is an excellent line coach.

He had better be.

Because if Kiffin hopes to execute even a fraction of the offense he's bringing to Oakland, he'll need all the expertise Cable can bring to make it happen.

No one is saying it out loud, but it's clear that 99 percent of the blame heaped upon Oakland's pathetic performance along the offensive front is the fault of the three-headed coaching monster of Shell, Irv Eatman and Jackie Slater.

It's written all over the offseason.

Shell moved Barry Sims to guard then banished him to the bench by Shell. Post-Shell, Sims is competing for the starting position at left tackle and was signed to a renegotiated contract.

Robert Gallery, who many fans would love to see shipped out ASAP, will start as well. Although initial reports have him moving to right tackle, newly acquired center Jeremy Newberry as well as another source have said Galllery has been told no such thing, and he will compete with Sims for the job as left tackle.

If Gallery doesn't win, he'll replace Langston Walker on the right side. If he does, Sims will either move to the right or be a backup.

Other than Walker, who voided his contract and accepted a mind-bending $10 million in guaranteed money to sign with Buffalo, the faces are familiar. Newberry is the only notable newcomer, and his knees must hold up through training camp to remain on the roster. It takes a giant leap of faith to believe he can become the starter.

Jake Grove is still the center. Rookies Kevin Boothe and Paul McQuistan, who ended the season as the starting right and left guards, enter their second year. Veteran tackle Chad Slaughter was re-signed. Long-snapper and backup center Adam Treu is still on the roster, as is late-season practice squad promotion Chris Morris.

Where Boothe and McQuistan fit in is not known. They were part of the Shell regime, and the post-Shell era has not treated some of those members kindly.

As second-year players, they'll be given a blank slate and a chance to prove themselves in what Newberry calls the "stretch and cut" schemes Cable favors. It's the philosophy that has made Denver one of the NFL's top rushing teams, and the one taught by Bobb McKittrick during the Bill Walsh era.

Cable, for sure, will implement his own wrinkles and tailor it to the strength of his blockers. On the surface, it would seem to favor Gallery, who is more about agility and athleticism than pure power. But then again, Gallery sees a new blocking scheme and a coach or two every year, so there's no telling how he'll fare.

With the offensive line beaten down and low on spirit last season, Cable's style is said to be tough-love. They will be enthusiastic _ or else.

The Raiders believe they've given Cable plenty to work with, based on their off-season acquisitions. After surrendering 72 sacks and finishing 29th in rushing, the Raiders have nowhere to go but up.

There will be improvement, because it's impossible to be worse. But any hope the Raiders have of big-time turnaround, not to mention protecting a franchise quarterback if they decide to draft JaMarcus Russell, will be Cable's responsibility.

When you consider the fact that Rob Ryan's defense could probably operate reasonably well under Don Martindale, and that Kiffin, and not Greg Knapp, will call the plays, it makes Cable the third most important man in the football operation.

Right behind Davis and Kiffin.

If the Raiders can suddenly run the ball and protect the passer, he's a man in demand. If not, he'll be the scapegoat.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/
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Nice read, though I disagree with his final assumption. I don't Cable (or any coach in Oakland this year) will be scapegoated.

Actually, they are all in a great position. If the Raiders improve, then they will get the credit and if they don't improve, people will give them a pass because "it's the Raiders".

This will turn out to be a plus on their future resume's IMO.
 
Interesting article. It really does seem like an awful lot of faith is being put into what this line can do with better coaching. I really hope they are right.
 
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