Go on record, everyone...

[TommyGirl]

Does Walter get benched this Sunday? Yay or nay?

I say no. He'll still get the starting nod.

 

[Rupert]

I say Walter stays as the starting QB.

I think the dying quail game plan is on purpose. No f'ing way you mix it up for the entire 1st half and then go brain dead in the 2nd unless it's on purpose. I just can't believe that anyone, let alone professional coaches, are that stupid. I just can't.

 

[Crossbones]

Probably committed to Walter for the rest of the season IMO. I think they just have to let him play and see if there is improvement. Then they can make some sort of informed (was gonna say intelligent but thought better of it) decision whether he's their guy or if they have to go shopping in the off seaosn.

 

[Madturk]

Walter should get the start as I don't think Shell is enamored with Brooks . At what point do we put Tui in there?

 

[Plunkett16]

walter deserves more than 1 season to prove he can be caliber team. I believe he deserves that since we gave vet like kc 2 yrs

 

[MasterRaider]

Heres a even better question...do you guys belive Walter can still turn in to "that" guy? Do you see a glimmer of hope that this guy can be a star or no?

 

[BradyFumbled]

He absolutely should be benched, and I'm shocked everyone's not in agreement here. How much more does he have to do to prove that he's not ready? Misses wide open recievers on third down, holds onto the ball for an eternity, an absolute statue in the pocket, not the least bit mobile, fumble prone, etc.........

He is hands down the worse starting quarterback in the league right now.

 

[BradyFumbled]

walter deserves more than 1 season to prove he can be caliber team. I believe he deserves that since we gave vet like kc 2 yrs

Tui didn't even get 2 full games.

 

[hawaiianboy]

I think the dying quail game plan is on purpose. No f'ing way you mix it up for the entire 1st half and then go brain dead in the 2nd unless it's on purpose. I just can't believe that anyone, let alone professional coaches, are that stupid. I just can't.

If the 'dying quail' game plan is indeed on purpose, I'd say that cements them as stupid as well...


Walter stays, as he should... If we ever could manage to get him into half a rhythm, it would be a bit easier to fully judge him... Reminds me of Hassleback when he first was forced into being the starter at Seattle... Tooked a beating, looked pretty horrible but kept picking himself off the deck which served to cement him as the leader with his teammates...

 

[Stanny]

You don't bench the kid, what does that get you? We're not going to the playoffs and the kid has to go through the aches and pains. The sad thing about it, he has to go and learn this crap offense, only to have a new one implemented next year and it's the learning curve all over again.

Brooks doesn't start this weekend because he's not healthy. If Brooks were healthy, I could see Shell yanking the kid after a half if he didn't get it together and give the old " wanted to stop the bleeding, see if we could find a spark, yada yada yada."

 

[BradyFumbled]

What's the point in leaving him in there? You honestly think he's learning anything? If anything, he's worse now than he was two months ago. He's been hit so much he looks gun-shy in the pocket. He has freakin Randy Moss on his team and only throws to him two or three times a game. And did you not see him miss a wide open Alvis Whitted in the end zone in the first half? Or a wide open Lee in the flat on third and short? Or fumble twice in crunch time? Give him a clipboard and a headset for a few weeks, then maybe give him another shot. Maybe.

He certainly has done nothing to make me think we shouldn't draft Brady Quinn.

 

[TommyGirl]

He certainly has done nothing to make me think we shouldn't draft Brady Quinn.

And therein lies the motive for your strong posts against Walter, methinks.

This guy is virtually a rookie. Even the Football God named Eli Manning had growing pains. Gimme a break here.

 

[Crow]

Only a fool would bench him at this point. What do we gain? Brooks is not the answer. Tui is on the way out. This is our guy. Maybe if we'd put him in a position where he'd at least have half a chance to succeed, then he'd be able to prove himself.

As it is, I just hope these idiots don't get him killed.

 

[Limee]

I think unless it is having a really negative effect on him then keep him out there. It doesn't seem to be getting to him except he needs to make sure he is setting and stepping into the throw (when he can). If he is the QB we hope he can be then he will grow through the experience.

 

[hawaiianboy]

He certainly has done nothing to make me think we shouldn't draft Brady Quinn.

I'm not sold on, or all that impressed for the most part with Walter myself, but I don't know of any young QB that would look good in this offense the way things currently stand...

I like Quinn, but he's had moments when he's looked pretty average when his O-line couldn't protect... Weis's system may be the polar opposite of ours in that it is very QB friendly and tends to get the ball out of the QB's hands pretty quick... Walter himself looked great in college playing in a system that had a good mix of short to mid range throws to the TE and possesion WR mixed with vertical stuff up top....

Either way, we know exactly what we have in Brooks and quite honestly, I believe he's jaked his injury to avoid going out there knowing the QB is going to take a beating... We may as well let Walter play his hand out and find out for certain whether to burn a high pick on a QB or to go out and aquire a vet capable of starting... Considering the vet choices will more than likely be guys like Leftwich and Bledsoe at the top end, we may as well see if we have something with our own IMO...

 

[jatfly]

Well as much as I don't want to say but "Start Brooks" Walter isn't getting it done.
Maybe we can create some roll outs and some plays that we can uses his mobility better then Walter.
I don't think we should give up on him (YET) but he isn't doing the things right now that are winning games.....
So let Brooks get beat on for a while and let Walter watch. After starting some games this year maybe Walter watching will let his perspective change a little, and then when he does get another chance to start or play maybe it will help.........

I like Walter but I need to love him and he isn't giving me the warm fuzzes yet.

 

[Stanny]

What's the point in leaving him in there? You honestly think he's learning anything? If anything, he's worse now than he was two months ago. He's been hit so much he looks gun-shy in the pocket. He has freakin Randy Moss on his team and only throws to him two or three times a game. And did you not see him miss a wide open Alvis Whitted in the end zone in the first half? Or a wide open Lee in the flat on third and short? Or fumble twice in crunch time? Give him a clipboard and a headset for a few weeks, then maybe give him another shot. Maybe.

He certainly has done nothing to make me think we shouldn't draft Brady Quinn.

So then Brady Quinn can get creamed 5 times per game? A guy who is on pace to be sacked the 2nd most in NFL history? Gun shy, what do you think? It still goes around game planning. You need to put the QB in a position to make something happen. Yeah I saw him miss Whitted on a play that wasn't run all game long or year long out of a bunch formation with a delayed hitch route from the TE used to give Whitted time on the out pattern? Have you seen us run that play in the red zone all year? I'll give you the answer....NO. Still no excuse as the kid was given the opportunity at that moment to make a play and he didn't but, that falls into game planning. Each week there is a new friggen game plan. Did we ever run that play again through out the course of the game to try and pick up a first down? NO....There is no bread and butter, there is no play that works continuously. This is an offense trying to find some identity and the game planning strait up sucks. Look at Favre his rookie year, Elway his rookie year, Plunkett his rookie year, Bledsoe etc....all these guys struggled and were surrounded with good coordinators and had some surrounding talent. Any QB you stick in this system right now, would be gawd awful.

Randy Moss has been the shits...his half ass route running and his "dropsies" have been the craps. Whitted is garbage and the two best WR's on the team for this offense aren't getting playing time. Curry and Porter are the best route runners on the team and that is important in this offense along with having enough speed. Moss free lances too much and dogs it and it's actually crippling the team right now. There's not a Chris Carter on the other side of the line currently running crisp routes, a Jake Reed taking stuff over the middle, a Robert Smith in the backfield to let Randy run wild or to freelance.

He's the guy, the only guy...he's being double teamed, his routes are crap thus is non-productive for us. I think he still has gas in the tank and would benefit for another team and we should try and trade the guy. It hurts to say that but it's true.

Putting your young buck into an offense that is getting him beat up still allows him to examine defenses, work a huddle, try to gain respect of his team mates, show some leadership skills, show some pride, be able to manage a game clock, etc....holding a clip board so that Art can look over at him and say "hey kid, put down we need to throw to the running backs more," does him nothing.

Keep him in there....we gain nothing from pulling him other than to see chuckles run around while we stopped evaluating on what we are "hoping" to be our future.

 

[R4Life]

Putting in Brooks now would provide one very crucial piece of information: How much of the issue is with Walter. Put Brooks in with the same playbook and see if he can spot Moss running alone to the end zone instead of forcing in a pass underneath into double coverage. If Brooks, with his experience, cannot make plays with an improved defense and better line play, then so be it. But Walter seems to read the coverages too slowly and not anticipate the receivers before the break. These are very common errors for a young player to make and Walter is getting better (not throwing picks=better decisions) but he's not good enough to beat quality teams. If Brooks can - then we evaluate Walter vs. Quinn or other options. IMHO, I'd love to get the #1 pick overall (as painfull as it will be to get there) and auction it to the highest bidder (Gruden is smitten w/Quinn and it would be great to get the Bucs draft for him) - then fix the O-line and maybe get a quality young DT or TE.

 

[BradyFumbled]

I'm not saying we give up on Walter, not saying that at all. But I really don't see the point in sticking with what CLEARLY isn't working. Yes, the scheme sucks, the personel is not being utilized as well as it could, and yes, our coaches seem like idiots. But Walter has not looked good, not at all. So get him out of there.

And while the playoffs are obviously a wash, we still have alot to lose this season. If we stick to a plan that clearly isn't working, what vetran free agent would possibly want to sign with us next year? Which of our own free agents would want to re-sign? Absolutely nobody. Get the kid out of there, let him sit back and watch (and stay alive), chalk it up as a learning experience. He's had his first shot, and not gotten it done. He'll get a second shot.

And for the record, I hope we don't draft Brady Quinn. Alot of reasons, but I won't mention them until April, after the Li'l Al thread is locked ;-)

 

[Crow]

So...you don't think...

Yes, the scheme sucks, the personel is not being utilized as well as it could, and yes, our coaches seem like idiots.

is the obvious cause of...

But Walter has not looked good, not at all.

Seems pretty easy to see to me.