Fuck You Chip Kelly - and he's gone

Some of the Raiders’ O-line struggles might be related to personnel, but former Commanders tight end Logan Paulsen shared a few thoughts prior to Sunday’s game, and his comments from last week seem even more relevant today.

Paulson was critical of Kelly’s offensive scheme and detailed a few reasons why he thought it hasn’t been working for the Raiders.

Paulsen believes Chip Kelly’s offense is not as effective because of the NFL’s wider hash marks

“This is going to sound mean, but I don’t mean it to be in a mean way. This is like, it feels like a very collegey offense,” Paulsen said on the Take Command podcast. “It’s the spacing, the formations, the distribution, all feels very ‘collegy.'”

“One of the things in college is like you have these wider hash marks. You have these wider hash marks. When you run your RPOs, when you run your little bubble screen… when you run that seam that gets picked off against the Chargers… That works when you’re in college, when you’re on the left hash and the safety has to cover all this ground to get over top of the three-receiver set,” Paulson continued.

“Here, because of the hash marks, the safeties have to cover less ground, the linebackers don’t have to displace as far for the RPO… In college, that works really well because that guy’s displaced like four yards farther than he is in the NFL. You’re running and then that guy’s unblocked and he ends up making the tackle because not only is he closer, but guys in the NFL, linebackers specifically, secondary players, strong safeties, hook players are way, way faster. I do think there’s this simplistic element to the run game.”

Paulsen says Chip Kelly’s offense doesn’t create good angles with formations

“You look at really well-designed run games in the NFL [and] I think you look at Green Bay, you look at San Francisco as a good example. Baltimore does a great job in terms of creating good angles with formation, with receivers. There’s not a lot of that going on [with the Raiders],” Paulsen said.

“You can tell that Chip Kelly really wants to rely on the RPO to create and distribute the field and create space, but it’s not distributing the same way that it was when he was at Ohio State last year. I think you get some really tough matchups in the run game in terms of angles on combinations, and you get a lot of free runners because you’re not getting the same displacement because RPO. As a result, Ashton Jeanty is getting hit in the backfield a lot.”

Paulsen says Kelly’s route distributions feel like “college stuff”

“Even on the route distributions and stuff, it’s very vertical into the defense. There’s not a lot of cross releases [in the Raiders’ offense]. The timing and the spacing, it feels like college stuff in the sense where you don’t get like these spray releases. You’re not stressing hook players. It’s vertical, get to your spot,” Paulson said.

“And again, in college, it works because you have five more yards of grass that the defense has to defend over there. Here, the throwing windows are so much tighter.”

Will Kelly have to change his concepts at the NFL level?

“I think Chip Kelly will figure it out at some point. I think they’ll find a way to get a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more varied in terms of the run game that they’re calling, how they get to some of their past concepts, how they distribute the RPO stuff… but right now, man, it’s tough,” Paulson said.

“It’s tough for the backs to find a lot of air. Because like I said, it’s not only the RPO stuff doesn’t have a lot of grass. It’s the combinations on the offensive line. When you get in these wider splits from the offensive linemen, the receivers can’t really get into the blocking surface the same way.”

“They do have plays where the receivers get into the blocking surface. But now, if I’m running duo, the combination is really vertical. Those vertical combinations in the NFL are really, really hard. You’re not at Ohio State anymore where the guys you have are just better than the people across from you. You need to figure out ways to create angles, to create matchups. And right now, he’s not doing that.”
 
Crow said:
Some of the Raiders’ O-line struggles might be related to personnel, but former Commanders tight end Logan Paulsen shared a few thoughts prior to Sunday’s game, and his comments from last week seem even more relevant today.

Paulson was critical of Kelly’s offensive scheme and detailed a few reasons why he thought it hasn’t been working for the Raiders.

Paulsen believes Chip Kelly’s offense is not as effective because of the NFL’s wider hash marks

“This is going to sound mean, but I don’t mean it to be in a mean way. This is like, it feels like a very collegey offense,” Paulsen said on the Take Command podcast. “It’s the spacing, the formations, the distribution, all feels very ‘collegy.'”

“One of the things in college is like you have these wider hash marks. You have these wider hash marks. When you run your RPOs, when you run your little bubble screen… when you run that seam that gets picked off against the Chargers… That works when you’re in college, when you’re on the left hash and the safety has to cover all this ground to get over top of the three-receiver set,” Paulson continued.

“Here, because of the hash marks, the safeties have to cover less ground, the linebackers don’t have to displace as far for the RPO… In college, that works really well because that guy’s displaced like four yards farther than he is in the NFL. You’re running and then that guy’s unblocked and he ends up making the tackle because not only is he closer, but guys in the NFL, linebackers specifically, secondary players, strong safeties, hook players are way, way faster. I do think there’s this simplistic element to the run game.”

Paulsen says Chip Kelly’s offense doesn’t create good angles with formations

“You look at really well-designed run games in the NFL [and] I think you look at Green Bay, you look at San Francisco as a good example. Baltimore does a great job in terms of creating good angles with formation, with receivers. There’s not a lot of that going on [with the Raiders],” Paulsen said.

“You can tell that Chip Kelly really wants to rely on the RPO to create and distribute the field and create space, but it’s not distributing the same way that it was when he was at Ohio State last year. I think you get some really tough matchups in the run game in terms of angles on combinations, and you get a lot of free runners because you’re not getting the same displacement because RPO. As a result, Ashton Jeanty is getting hit in the backfield a lot.”

Paulsen says Kelly’s route distributions feel like “college stuff”

“Even on the route distributions and stuff, it’s very vertical into the defense. There’s not a lot of cross releases [in the Raiders’ offense]. The timing and the spacing, it feels like college stuff in the sense where you don’t get like these spray releases. You’re not stressing hook players. It’s vertical, get to your spot,” Paulson said.

“And again, in college, it works because you have five more yards of grass that the defense has to defend over there. Here, the throwing windows are so much tighter.”

Will Kelly have to change his concepts at the NFL level?

“I think Chip Kelly will figure it out at some point. I think they’ll find a way to get a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more varied in terms of the run game that they’re calling, how they get to some of their past concepts, how they distribute the RPO stuff… but right now, man, it’s tough,” Paulson said.

“It’s tough for the backs to find a lot of air. Because like I said, it’s not only the RPO stuff doesn’t have a lot of grass. It’s the combinations on the offensive line. When you get in these wider splits from the offensive linemen, the receivers can’t really get into the blocking surface the same way.”

“They do have plays where the receivers get into the blocking surface. But now, if I’m running duo, the combination is really vertical. Those vertical combinations in the NFL are really, really hard. You’re not at Ohio State anymore where the guys you have are just better than the people across from you. You need to figure out ways to create angles, to create matchups. And right now, he’s not doing that.”
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Can we hire Pauline to run our offense? This would make sense since Kelly has never really knocked it out of the park at the pro level.
 
Crow said:
Some of the Raiders’ O-line struggles might be related to personnel, but former Commanders tight end Logan Paulsen shared a few thoughts prior to Sunday’s game, and his comments from last week seem even more relevant today.

Paulson was critical of Kelly’s offensive scheme and detailed a few reasons why he thought it hasn’t been working for the Raiders.

Paulsen believes Chip Kelly’s offense is not as effective because of the NFL’s wider hash marks

“This is going to sound mean, but I don’t mean it to be in a mean way. This is like, it feels like a very collegey offense,” Paulsen said on the Take Command podcast. “It’s the spacing, the formations, the distribution, all feels very ‘collegy.'”

“One of the things in college is like you have these wider hash marks. You have these wider hash marks. When you run your RPOs, when you run your little bubble screen… when you run that seam that gets picked off against the Chargers… That works when you’re in college, when you’re on the left hash and the safety has to cover all this ground to get over top of the three-receiver set,” Paulson continued.

“Here, because of the hash marks, the safeties have to cover less ground, the linebackers don’t have to displace as far for the RPO… In college, that works really well because that guy’s displaced like four yards farther than he is in the NFL. You’re running and then that guy’s unblocked and he ends up making the tackle because not only is he closer, but guys in the NFL, linebackers specifically, secondary players, strong safeties, hook players are way, way faster. I do think there’s this simplistic element to the run game.”

Paulsen says Chip Kelly’s offense doesn’t create good angles with formations

“You look at really well-designed run games in the NFL [and] I think you look at Green Bay, you look at San Francisco as a good example. Baltimore does a great job in terms of creating good angles with formation, with receivers. There’s not a lot of that going on [with the Raiders],” Paulsen said.

“You can tell that Chip Kelly really wants to rely on the RPO to create and distribute the field and create space, but it’s not distributing the same way that it was when he was at Ohio State last year. I think you get some really tough matchups in the run game in terms of angles on combinations, and you get a lot of free runners because you’re not getting the same displacement because RPO. As a result, Ashton Jeanty is getting hit in the backfield a lot.”

Paulsen says Kelly’s route distributions feel like “college stuff”

“Even on the route distributions and stuff, it’s very vertical into the defense. There’s not a lot of cross releases [in the Raiders’ offense]. The timing and the spacing, it feels like college stuff in the sense where you don’t get like these spray releases. You’re not stressing hook players. It’s vertical, get to your spot,” Paulson said.

“And again, in college, it works because you have five more yards of grass that the defense has to defend over there. Here, the throwing windows are so much tighter.”

Will Kelly have to change his concepts at the NFL level?

“I think Chip Kelly will figure it out at some point. I think they’ll find a way to get a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more varied in terms of the run game that they’re calling, how they get to some of their past concepts, how they distribute the RPO stuff… but right now, man, it’s tough,” Paulson said.

“It’s tough for the backs to find a lot of air. Because like I said, it’s not only the RPO stuff doesn’t have a lot of grass. It’s the combinations on the offensive line. When you get in these wider splits from the offensive linemen, the receivers can’t really get into the blocking surface the same way.”

“They do have plays where the receivers get into the blocking surface. But now, if I’m running duo, the combination is really vertical. Those vertical combinations in the NFL are really, really hard. You’re not at Ohio State anymore where the guys you have are just better than the people across from you. You need to figure out ways to create angles, to create matchups. And right now, he’s not doing that.”
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Better explanation but I said he thinks he can do what he did at Ohio State but this isn’t college and we aren’t Ohio State with a personnel advantage every week.
 
Wasn’t Chip Kelly on our radar last year? If he was, I wonder if this is a Pete Carroll hire, or someone else’s? I find it hard to believe that the last two coaching staffs both wanted him.
 
boknowsvt said:
Wasn’t Chip Kelly on our radar last year? If he was, I wonder if this is a Pete Carroll hire, or someone else’s? I find it hard to believe that the last two coaching staffs both wanted him.
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he was, think Pierce didn't like that Kelly wanted to bring a bunch of his staffers with him, if I remember blurbs.
 
TB12 worked with Gordon when BB installed the Blur/ no Huddle in Boston.

So Fuck You Kingsbury and I’m kind of the FY Chip train. I saw his Eagles twice live and the plays were very predictable.

I also thought Scott Turner did a reasonable job with our shit squad after Getchy got canned. I mean AO'C and Desmond Ridder were the QBs.

Anyway here we are…again with a must win September game…
 
Diceq said:
TB12 worked with Gordon when BB installed the Blur/ no Huddle in Boston.

So Fuck You Kingsbury and I’m kind of the FY Chip train. I saw his Eagles twice live and the plays were very predictable.

I also thought Scott Turner did a reasonable job with our shit squad after Getchy got canned. I mean AO'C and Desmond Ridder were the QBs.

Anyway here we are…again with a must win September game…
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Turner did do a good job with what he had to work with.

Chip Kelly has been straight ass.
 
Scott Turner was with us through 2 coaching changes did he get canned or just caught on with another team?
 
Crow said:
Some of the Raiders’ O-line struggles might be related to personnel, but former Commanders tight end Logan Paulsen shared a few thoughts prior to Sunday’s game, and his comments from last week seem even more relevant today.

Paulson was critical of Kelly’s offensive scheme and detailed a few reasons why he thought it hasn’t been working for the Raiders.

Paulsen believes Chip Kelly’s offense is not as effective because of the NFL’s wider hash marks

“This is going to sound mean, but I don’t mean it to be in a mean way. This is like, it feels like a very collegey offense,” Paulsen said on the Take Command podcast. “It’s the spacing, the formations, the distribution, all feels very ‘collegy.'”

“One of the things in college is like you have these wider hash marks. You have these wider hash marks. When you run your RPOs, when you run your little bubble screen… when you run that seam that gets picked off against the Chargers… That works when you’re in college, when you’re on the left hash and the safety has to cover all this ground to get over top of the three-receiver set,” Paulson continued.

“Here, because of the hash marks, the safeties have to cover less ground, the linebackers don’t have to displace as far for the RPO… In college, that works really well because that guy’s displaced like four yards farther than he is in the NFL. You’re running and then that guy’s unblocked and he ends up making the tackle because not only is he closer, but guys in the NFL, linebackers specifically, secondary players, strong safeties, hook players are way, way faster. I do think there’s this simplistic element to the run game.”

Paulsen says Chip Kelly’s offense doesn’t create good angles with formations

“You look at really well-designed run games in the NFL [and] I think you look at Green Bay, you look at San Francisco as a good example. Baltimore does a great job in terms of creating good angles with formation, with receivers. There’s not a lot of that going on [with the Raiders],” Paulsen said.

“You can tell that Chip Kelly really wants to rely on the RPO to create and distribute the field and create space, but it’s not distributing the same way that it was when he was at Ohio State last year. I think you get some really tough matchups in the run game in terms of angles on combinations, and you get a lot of free runners because you’re not getting the same displacement because RPO. As a result, Ashton Jeanty is getting hit in the backfield a lot.”

Paulsen says Kelly’s route distributions feel like “college stuff”

“Even on the route distributions and stuff, it’s very vertical into the defense. There’s not a lot of cross releases [in the Raiders’ offense]. The timing and the spacing, it feels like college stuff in the sense where you don’t get like these spray releases. You’re not stressing hook players. It’s vertical, get to your spot,” Paulson said.

“And again, in college, it works because you have five more yards of grass that the defense has to defend over there. Here, the throwing windows are so much tighter.”

Will Kelly have to change his concepts at the NFL level?

“I think Chip Kelly will figure it out at some point. I think they’ll find a way to get a little bit more nuanced, a little bit more varied in terms of the run game that they’re calling, how they get to some of their past concepts, how they distribute the RPO stuff… but right now, man, it’s tough,” Paulson said.

“It’s tough for the backs to find a lot of air. Because like I said, it’s not only the RPO stuff doesn’t have a lot of grass. It’s the combinations on the offensive line. When you get in these wider splits from the offensive linemen, the receivers can’t really get into the blocking surface the same way.”

“They do have plays where the receivers get into the blocking surface. But now, if I’m running duo, the combination is really vertical. Those vertical combinations in the NFL are really, really hard. You’re not at Ohio State anymore where the guys you have are just better than the people across from you. You need to figure out ways to create angles, to create matchups. And right now, he’s not doing that.”
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These players just be talking, and people take them seriously for some reason. They run the same shit, lol. Chip's offense is "collegy" but Kliff's isn't? Hell, they're virtually the same guy philosophy wise. People talking like Chip wasn't in the league for almost ten years. Our offensive line sucks is the answer, same as last year.
 
thejunki said:
Scott Turner was with us through 2 coaching changes did he get canned or just caught on with another team?
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I think he went to that NC shit show with Belichick. Nobody is clamoring for Scott fucking Turner.
 
Turner stepped in at the bye in November. He had a pile of shit to work with and limited time with another guys system.

Constant turnover with coaches and GM's.

Telescope didn't deserve to be fired either.

They retained Graham but I don't know how much of the defensive improvement is his doing.
 
thejunki said:
Scott Turner was with us through 2 coaching changes did he get canned or just caught on with another team?
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Jets passing game coordinator
 
Desert Rat said:
Turner stepped in at the bye in November. He had a pile of shit to work with and limited time with another guys system.

Constant turnover with coaches and GM's.

Telescope didn't deserve to be fired either.

They retained Graham but I don't know how much of the defensive improvement is his doing.
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Like AP when he took over for McDaniels? Just because it was better than shit doesn't mean it was good. He was an OC before in a couple of other places. He's not any good. If you guys are going to bring up alternatives, please don't give us bad ones.
 
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