Fuck! We Hired Getsy Thread

So, with Chip Kelly leaving UCLA to take OSU’s OC job, and being a 3rd OC candidate who interviewed twice for the Raiders’ job, pretty clear AP not only choose Getsy over him, among a number of other candidates who only interviewed once or not at all and are still looking for jobs or promotions, but also wants what Chip and Kuntsbury have in common: A commitment to the run (regardless of concept) to set up, as well as the ability to teach, a dynamic downfield passing attack (regardless of concept).

Getsy’s passing attack has WCO roots, which Adams spoke and says he is excited about and which Getsy learned under McCarthy, a modified version of which (influenced by ShannaRat Jr. and Rodgers) he implemented as LaFleur’s passing-game coordinator (PGC). Why is Adams excited? Because his 2 best/All Pro years in GB were under LaFleur with Getsy as the PGC:
  1. ‘21: 123 / 1553 / 97.1 / 11 (5.2% SIS) 92.7 PFF (15 AV)
  2. ‘20: 115 / 1374 / 98.1 / 18 (4.7% SIS) 92.2 PFF (16 AV)
How will this mesh with a rookie QB, well, in addition to having had experience with Fields the last two years, perhaps learning what not to do, Getsy also was a college passing QB under and an OC for Joe Moorland. Like Kuntsbury and Chip, Moorland is credited for creating his own dynamic downfield college passing attack set up by the run.

When Getsy was Moorland’s OC, Moorland’s offense was known for five basic tenets, which bode well for success under AP in collaboration with Huge Jackson. Moorhead’s system wasn’t a reinvention of the geometry of football in the way of Hal Mumme’s air raid offense. Moorhead’s offense is more a synthesis of versatile ideas that bake in as much flexibility as possible, in both tactics and QB empowerment. His college offense has these five basic tenets, which reflect a commitment to inclusiveness and ingenuity:
  1. Use the same personnel as much as possible. “Defensive coordinators have to make their decisions based on your personnel, not your formation. Don’t give them anything to work with.”
  2. Empower the QB. “Give your players as much control as they have earned. Teach the QB to be your eyes on the field and make changes based on what he sees.” Perhaps this is why Getsy’s O in Chi struggled and Rodgers flourished being MVP in back-to-back years under Getsy.
  3. Slap a read onto nearly every run, too. “Never put yourself in a position in which your QB doesn’t have options.” For this reason, Getsy’ O seemingly should have been a good pairing with Fields, as it was for Bagent, another mobile QB.
  4. It’s about the players, not the system. “Defenses will always try to dictate the reads you make. Stay one step ahead of them. If you don’t have talented players touching the ball, your system is only going to be so effective. But Moorhead feels he has built the best system for whatever his personnel has to offer. ‘What excites me the most is the simplicity and flexibility of our system,’ he says. ‘We can tailor it to a running quarterback, and we can tailor it to a throwing quarterback. If we need to pass more because that’s our strength, then we’ve done that — 5,000 yards one year at Fordham, and Trace has broken all the records at Penn State. If it’s a team that’s more offensive line-centered and run game-centered, then we can lean on that. We’ve never been higher than 55 percent [run or pass], one way or the other.’” The knock on Getsy as being too rigid in Chi is contrary to Getsy’s training under Moorhead and what Getsy himself said when he was in Chi about his offense—pointing again at Fields as being the problem.
  5. Never stop adapting. “The fifth tenet to Moorhead’s philosophy has more to do with the man than the system.” Keep learning, growing and teaching, which Getsy did do in Chi with Fields—getting Fields to play his best football his last 7 games under Getsy.
See article below, which, coupled with Getsy’s prior relationship and success with Adams under LeFleur, has me cautiously optimistic, provided Huge knows his role and chain of command and does not want Adams in his grill but wants to play mentor and not be the man and stab Getsy in the back. Lol. I think AP, Adams and Huge get the best out of Getsy, who every NFL insider says is respected and a good hire.
 
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So, with Chip Kelly leaving UCLA to take OSU’s OC job, and being a 3rd OC candidate who interviewed twice for the Raiders’ job, pretty clear AP not only choose Getsy over him, among a number of other candidates who only interviewed once or not at all and are still looking for jobs or promotions, but also wants what Chip and Kuntsbury have in common: A commitment to the run (regardless of concept) to set up, as well as the ability to teach, a dynamic downfield passing attack (regardless of concept).

Getsy’s passing attack has WCO roots, which Adams spoke and says he is excited about and which Getsy learned under McCarthy, a modified version of which (influenced by ShannaRat Jr. and Rodgers) he implemented as LaFleur’s passing-game coordinator (PGC). Why is Adams excited? Because his 2 best/All Pro years in GB were under LaFleur with Getsy as the PGC:
  1. ‘21: 123 / 1553 / 97.1 / 11 (5.2% SIS) 92.7 PFF (15 AV)
  2. ‘20: 115 / 1374 / 98.1 / 18 (4.7% SIS) 92.2 PFF (16 AV)
How will this mesh with a rookie QB, well, in addition to having had experience with Fields the last two years, perhaps learning what not to do, Getsy also was a college passing QB under and an OC for Joe Moorland. Like Kuntsbury and Chip, Moorland is created for creating his own dynamic downfield college passing attack set up by the run.

When Getsy was Moorland’s OC, Moorland’s offense was known for five basic tenets, which bode well for success under AP in collaboration with Huge Jackson. Moorhead’s system wasn’t a reinvention of the geometry of football in the way of Hal Mumme’s air raid offense. Moorhead’s offense is more a synthesis of versatile ideas that bake in as much flexibility as possible, in both tactics and QB empowerment. His college offense has these five basic tenets, which reflect a commitment to inclusiveness and ingenuity:
  1. Use the same personnel as much as possible. “Defensive coordinators have to make their decisions based on your personnel, not your formation. Don’t give them anything to work with.”
  2. Empower the QB. “Give your players as much control as they have earned. Teach the QB to be your eyes on the field and make changes based on what he sees.” Perhaps this is why Getsy’s O in Chi struggled.
  3. Slap a read onto nearly every run, too. “Never put yourself in a position in which your QB doesn’t have options.” For this reason, Getsy’ O seemingly should have been a good pairing with Fields, as it was for Bagent, another mobile QB.
  4. It’s about the players, not the system. “Defenses will always try to dictate the reads you make. Stay one step ahead of them. If you don’t have talented players touching the ball, your system is only going to be so effective. But Moorhead feels he has built the best system for whatever his personnel has to offer. ‘What excites me the most is the simplicity and flexibility of our system,’ he says. ‘We can tailor it to a running quarterback, and we can tailor it to a throwing quarterback. If we need to pass more because that’s our strength, then we’ve done that — 5,000 yards one year at Fordham, and Trace has broken all the records at Penn State. If it’s a team that’s more offensive line-centered and run game-centered, then we can lean on that. We’ve never been higher than 55 percent [run or pass], one way or the other.’” The knock on Getsy as being too rigid in Chi is contrary to Getsy’s training under Moorhead and what Getsy himself said when he was in Chi about his offense—pointing again at Fields as being the problem.
  5. Never stop adapting. “The fifth tenet to Moorhead’s philosophy has more to do with the man than the system.” Keep learning, growing and teaching, which Getsy did do in Chi with Fields—getting Fields to play his best football his last 7 games under Getsy.
See article below, which, coupled with Getsy’s prior relationship and success with Adams under LeFleur, has me cautiously optimistic, provided Huge knows his role and chain of command and does not want Adams in his grill but wants to play mentor and not be the man and stab Getsy in the back. Lol. I think AP, Adams and Huge get the best out of Getsy, who every NFL insider says is respected and a good hire.

This is important. Any good coach, in any sport, builds whatever he does based on the strengths of the team. If you play in a cavernous ballpark and don't have power hitters, small ball is what you use. In soccer, if you have a dynamic attack, you attack; and if you don't you go into a shell and counter-attack. Getsy's approach is pretty much what Hue did when he was here with the running game. (And that's why I wonder what Caldwell as "LB Coach and Run Game Coordinator" will do, or allow Hue to do.

I have a strong feeling that wherever Fields goes and whoever his OC is in '24, he'll look worse than he did under Getsy. Dude does not read the field well, and thought he has wheels and an arm, under-utilizes both. Part of this would be on whoever his QB coach is, but in two years the needle has not moved on these things.

As to who the QB will be, the second tier QBs looked bad in practice and just as bad in the games. When Spencer Rattler is the class of the group, you know JJ McCarthy made money by not going. If we can somehow get McCarthy and Jackson Powers-Johnson, Imma say in 3 seasons the Raiders win a SB.
 
This is important. Any good coach, in any sport, builds whatever he does based on the strengths of the team. If you play in a cavernous ballpark and don't have power hitters, small ball is what you use. In soccer, if you have a dynamic attack, you attack; and if you don't you go into a shell and counter-attack. Getsy's approach is pretty much what Hue did when he was here with the running game. (And that's why I wonder what Caldwell as "LB Coach and Run Game Coordinator" will do, or allow Hue to do.

I have a strong feeling that wherever Fields goes and whoever his OC is in '24, he'll look worse than he did under Getsy. Dude does not read the field well, and thought he has wheels and an arm, under-utilizes both. Part of this would be on whoever his QB coach is, but in two years the needle has not moved on these things.

As to who the QB will be, the second tier QBs looked bad in practice and just as bad in the games. When Spencer Rattler is the class of the group, you know JJ McCarthy made money by not going. If we can somehow get McCarthy and Jackson Powers-Johnson, Imma say in 3 seasons the Raiders win a SB.
McCarthy being 3 years younger than Penix and Bo Nix, to me, is a big deal when a player’s selling point is upside and potential, which is his calling card. I’m now on the Daniels/McCarthy bandwagon.
 
The important thing is O-line coach. Which I haven't heard anything about yet.

Is our assistant OL coach still here?
With so little noise around OL coach I would not be shocked if he is elevated to the position. It’s not like we were clamoring for an upgrade at OL coach as Bricillo is regarded as one of the best in the league. Hopefully if that’s what we do enough has rubbed off on Clemmons for him to succeed.
 
McCarthy being 3 years younger than Penix and Bo Nix, to me, is a big deal when a player’s selling point is upside and potential, which is his calling card. I’m now on the Daniels/McCarthy bandwagon.
Daniels is 2 years older than JJ as well. If we are simply going on having more time to reach potential then maybe MayeB is more your speed.

For myself I am not going to get tied up on age at the QB position. It’s just more experience and should provide a quicker path to success in the NFL. Joe Burrow was 23 basically the same age as Jayden. Penix and Nix are basically a year older. I kinda lump Daniels Penix and Nix all in the same group as older guys. I would say there has to be some sort of cut off where you wonder if this player can succeed in the NFL. I don’t think we or any team will go running out again to draft a Chris Weinke who was closer to retirement age than entering college when he came out. What was he like 28-29 or some shit?
 
Daniels is 2 years older than JJ as well. If we are simply going on having more time to reach potential then maybe MayeB is more your speed.

For myself I am not going to get tied up on age at the QB position. It’s just more experience and should provide a quicker path to success in the NFL. Joe Burrow was 23 basically the same age as Jayden. Penix and Nix are basically a year older. I kinda lump Daniels Penix and Nix all in the same group as older guys. I would say there has to be some sort of cut off where you wonder if this player can succeed in the NFL. I don’t think we or any team will go running out again to draft a Chris Weinke who was closer to retirement age than entering college when he came out. What was he like 28-29 or some shit?
I’m told Maye is gone at #13 and have no reason to believe anyone would trade Maye to us or that AP likes Maye more than Daniels.

As for age, I normally don’t care about that for QB too. But where skill sets are similar in terms of first year potential, I like the idea of drafting the much younger guy, as I assume he has a better chance to adapt quickly.
 
Fields not off the table after all?

 
I assume nothing but coach speak. Live the facilities, felt like a family hear, winning tradition that I want to be a part of, I hope to be a part of the turn around. Blah blah blah.
Did you watch the video?
 
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