Fuck! We Hired Getsy Thread

Chris_77 said:
Because his QB was a mobile QB?
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Yes and no per TDL boys.

Chi ran the ball plenty under center (outside zone and power-gap), which does not require a mobile QB.

They also ran the ball plenty in shotgun (zone read), which does require a mobile QB.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
I said the last month that I'm open to this. He can clearly pinch hit and win you some games, unlike Hoyer who hasn't won a game in like ten years. Most backup QBs in the league are terrible, and their teams expect to lose if they start no matter what they say to the media. AO'C is not terrible. He's just not a league starter.
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Absolutely agree

As a Purdue alum I’m the biggest AO'C homer.

Yet he’s not a full time starter. He can win you some games coming off the bench. I don’t get why this is still being debated? Is it because the Raiders are on the outside looking on for the elite QBs in the draft? Most likely.

If he’s the starter next year for an extended period of time, there will be a real problem

Raiders have to draft a QB, and not in the 4th round again
 
godeep811 said:
So true

Coaches are only as good as the talent

Curious how good Reid would look if his quarterback was Jocoby Brissett, for instance
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Coaching is overrated to a certain extent but less so in football. I mean look at Phil Jackson. Dude had stacked rosters with both the Showtime Lakers, then the Jordan Bulls. Same with Steve Kerr. Guy inherited a HOF lineup after Mark Jackson got shit canned. Now the team is older and struggling. He doesn't look like all that now.

No denying BB is a great HC but he had The GOAT as his qb and was fortunate that the division he was in was the weakest in football so they always had HF advantage throughout the playoffs. Andy Reid doesn't win his SB without Mahomes either.

Point being, you are only as good a coach as the talent you have surrounding you.
 
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godeep811 said:
So true

Coaches are only as good as the talent

Curious how good Reid would look if his quarterback was Jocoby Brissett, for instance
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True but Reid knows enough to not get stuck with Brissett or Jimmy G. When he got to KC , he went and got Alex.

I agree the key thing is to get a QB that can run your system, not a system that you have to hide your QB.
 
Madturk said:
Coaching is overrate to a certain extent but less so in football. I mean look at Phil Jackson. Dude had stacked rosters with both the Showtime Lakers, then the Jordan Bulls. Same with Steve Kerr. Guy inherited a HOF lineup after Mark Jackson got shit canned. Now the team is older and struggling. He doesn't look like all that now.

No denying BB is a great HC but he had The GOAT as his qb and was fortunate that the division he was in was the weakest in football so they always had HF advantage throughout the playoffs. Andy Reid doesn't win his SB without Mahomes either.

Point being, you are only as good a coach as the talent you have surrounding you.
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That's why they all get fired, except in Pittsburg.
 
Diceq said:
True but Reid knows enough to not get stuck with Brissett or Jimmy G. When he got to KC , he went and got Alex.

I agree the key thing is to get a QB that can run your system, not a system that you have to hide your QB.
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Reid changed his system for Mahomes. He's starting to get his props lately but he's still underrated IMO.
 
Madturk said:
Coaching is overrate to a certain extent but less so in football. I mean look at Phil Jackson. Dude had stacked rosters with both the Showtime Lakers, then the Jordan Bulls. Same with Steve Kerr. Guy inherited a HOF lineup after Mark Jackson got shit canned. Now the team is older and struggling. He doesn't look like all that now.

No denying BB is a great HC but he had The GOAT as his qb and was fortunate that the division he was in was the weakest in football so they always had HF advantage throughout the playoffs. Andy Reid doesn't win his SB without Mahomes either.

Point being, you are only as good a coach as the talent you have surrounding you.
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It's easier to stack talent in basketball but I tend to be on the talent > coaching side of the conversation in general. The reality is that there are only a handful of true championship pedigree greats in any given role anyway, be it HC, QB, etc. We got stuck in a generation where two great HCs got paired with two great QBs, one of which being in our division and still going strong.
 
Madturk said:
Coaching is overrate to a certain extent but less so in football. I mean look at Phil Jackson. Dude had stacked rosters with both the Showtime Lakers, then the Jordan Bulls. Same with Steve Kerr. Guy inherited a HOF lineup after Mark Jackson got shit canned. Now the team is older and struggling. He doesn't look like all that now.

No denying BB is a great HC but he had The GOAT as his qb and was fortunate that the division he was in was the weakest in football so they always had HF advantage throughout the playoffs. Andy Reid doesn't win his SB without Mahomes either.

Point being, you are only as good a coach as the talent you have surrounding you.
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Exactly. That was my point

Funny how that also works in college football, in which a roster full of 4 and 5 star players can help a team win consistently
 
Raider Outlaw said:
No, that's Raider fan pessimism. I told you before this year, this roster is pretty good. Defense needs some help on the back end and up the middle of the line, but it's pretty good relative to the rest of the league. On offense, we need a QB, and we need to solidify the middle of the line. It's a good team, not a great team. It's the second best roster in this division for sure, and a lot of that has to do with the huge gap at QB and the Chef's young defense. Washington and New England have worse rosters. New York has a worse roster. In transition Tennessee has a worse roster. Arizona has a worse roster. Those are all teams that will be open to trading.
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Roster is best it has been in years, need a QB and we can compete.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
Roster is best it has been in years, need a QB and we can compete.
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Yeah, there aren't holes everywhere per usual. I'm curious what they do with o-line. Getsy failed in Chicago in part b/c that o-line was shit. That's why the raiders have to re-sign one of the three FAs. On O the skill position talent is there. And on D, we can still use some help at DT and maybe corner. But yeah the roster is ok outside of QB.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
Roster is best it has been in years, need a QB and we can compete.
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If O'Connell had been the starter from week one, we would have been considered competitors. And no, I don't want him to to be the starter next season. Roster looks better now than it has in years but....

....Seven weeks in it looked like we needed at least 2 LBs, Koonce hadn't shown anything and the rookie barely played, and the secondary was giving up big plays at critical moments. On O, the running game was DOA and the opposing secondary was running routes for the receivers; and all year the interior of the O-line has been a problem in pass pro.

Patrick Graham, and the change from knowing you'd be hearing all Monday for any mistake to being treated with respect, helped the D look better. Koonce came on, and the rookie showed inside. We still need a solid 3-tech who can rush the passer.

On O, the only position that could be solid is a healthy Kolton Miller. If Mumford can stay at RT, that would be a big improvement. Not sold on the middle of the line.

Will not be a popular opinion here, but I'd look to trade down to get an additional second, take Jackson Powers-Johnson, JJ McCarthy and either Cooper Beebe or Christian Mahogany in the first three rounds.
 
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