FINALLY!!!...Kiffin says we may see JaMarcus get in action next week

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IT's is about time.......I think this should have happened two weeks ago, I think that Kiffin in the back of his mind we had a slim chance of turning things around......
On the Raiders flaship radio station 560 am, after the game, Gregg Pappa asked Kiffin if we could see JaMarcus get some plays or series in the next two games, and Kiffin said "Yes".

He didn't say JaMarus would start nor would he for sure get any plays at Minnesota, but when asked is there a chance he said that yes, they have been thinking about getting JaMarcus some plays and there's a chance that may be next week.

We might see JaMarcus towards the end of the 1st half next week or for some plays rotating with the likley candidate to start again, Josh McCown
 
Didnt he say this before?. The "Yes maybe" thing is very iffy with Kiff. Good luck to Jamarcus if he throws him out there. I fully expect him to run for his life every down.
 
Ill take it over NO! which would piss everyone off.
 
Well, all those babysitters must be really worried right now... Kiffin is about to send a unprepared, young, system ignorant, didn't make a preseason, etc. to the field where he can get his head ripped off...

Kiffin must be a monster from their standpoint. He is sending Russell to the big track long before the baby steps are even initiated...
 
Well, all those babysitters must be really worried right now... Kiffin is about to send a unprepared, young, system ignorant, didn't make a preseason, etc. to the field where he can get his head ripped off...

Kiffin must be a monster from their standpoint. He is sending Russell to the big track long before the baby steps are even initiated...

Yea, but where are these babysitters? Only guys i heard said they wanted him to be ready as far as Kiffin saw. Not anyone else. If thats the case, i doubt anyone is going to complain.
 
The TV attendance just went up -- way up. I'm looking forward to seeing the big guy on the field. My expectations aren't too high but you never know. What if the guy comes in and he's an instant stud? Nobody had given that a fat chance but it is possible. What if he comes in and pulls a Derick Anderson or a Tom Brady? Wouldn't that be a kick in the butt!!!! :)
 
The TV attendance just went up -- way up. I'm looking forward to seeing the big guy on the field. My expectations aren't too high but you never know. What if the guy comes in and he's an instant stud? Nobody had given that a fat chance but it is possible. What if he comes in and pulls a Derick Anderson or a Tom Brady? Wouldn't that be a kick in the butt!!!! :)

I hate to be the parade rainer but both brady and anderson were mediocre in their rookie years. In brady's defense he only threw 3 passes, but nevertheless atleast having second years like them would be a good thing. :D
 
I hate to be the parade rainer but both brady and anderson were mediocre in their rookie years. In brady's defense he only threw 3 passes, but nevertheless atleast having second years like them would be a good thing. :D
Just trying to point out something positive that could happen. We just don't know how Russell is going to do in this shitty situation. I mean most are saying how he will struggle etc. Maybe he'll do a lot better than we think. As for Brady, when he got a full shot he led the fuckers to the SB. Just sayin'.
 
He should certainly be starting by the end of the year. I don't really care if he looks good or bad, but some game experience would be valuable.
 
Oh...fuck...there you are. :D

Glad to see you mass!
 
The TV attendance just went up -- way up. I'm looking forward to seeing the big guy on the field. My expectations aren't too high but you never know. What if the guy comes in and he's an instant stud? Nobody had given that a fat chance but it is possible. What if he comes in and pulls a Derick Anderson or a Tom Brady? Wouldn't that be a kick in the butt!!!! :)
Wouldn't it truly suck if we have to watch 3 quarters of McCown licking the neighbor's dog's balls before we get a glimpse of Russell? :mad:
 
Just trying to point out something positive that could happen. We just don't know how Russell is going to do in this shitty situation. I mean most are saying how he will struggle etc. Maybe he'll do a lot better than we think. As for Brady, when he got a full shot he led the fuckers to the SB. Just sayin'.
Struggle? Struggle? We're already witness to the ultimate futuility of struggle. Man the best we could hope for from McCown is a better week before he returns to futility. At least with Russell struggling there's a chance that he'll get better. There is no chance with McCown. At least not one that he'll get better and stay better.
 
When Russell gets in, yeah, he will go through some pressure, but he has been under pressure before. He played and won a bowl game not long ago. There's a difference between leagues, but it's not like he's starting from scratch. He 's been a QB for a while.

We will continue to lose games, but we want to see him begin the loong process of adaptation. He will struggle, but who didn't? So if always the first year is difficult, better now than later.

Kiffin must plan carefully for him. A reduced playbook is needed. Anyway, with McClown and Culfucker didn't seem they had a very open set of plays...

It's like last year in some way. You have to get rid of the 5 and 7 steps pass plays, cos simply the OL won't give enough time to throw.

So JaMarcus must work on his release first than anything. Those SOBs protecting in front of him don't pay for the insurance.
 
That playbook couldn't have been more vanilla than it was yesterday. McFuck has easily got to have the worse arm in the NFL. He'd be lucky to be a #2 on most teams. Anyone notice the play when he had that long scramble and was surveying the field? Had Dwight 5 yards behind the defender and his throw couldn't even reach the defender. LOL Kiff's making his own bed with his stubborness to stay with McFuck.

Anyway, I'm this close to cancelling my NFL Ticket. Really not sure if I can watch any more of this. At least with JR, we've got some glimmer of hope. Just put him the fuck in.
 
I think it's funny the heat Kiffin is getting for not playing JaMarcus yet... When we drafted him, at least by message board samples, a majority of Raider fans thought it was best that he be brought along slowly ala Palmer, Culpepper and McNair... When he wasn't signed on time it wasn't a big deal because he wasn't going to see the field anyways...

Now it's 'why isn't he ready Coach?'...

That's a question that should be really directed at the front office because IMO their ineptness has trickled down to the field and effected our coach and unfortunately, our season... If we get him to agree to a contract before drafting him like normal franchises with the #1 overall pick have done in the past, then he would have had some pretty intense time to get prepped to play between the three weeks at Napa he missed, 4 preseason games against live, game speed competion, and another five weeks of in-season work before playing in what probably would have been in week 5 following our bye week...

Instead, the coaches are put in a situation where they not only have to work to get the week's game plan in place with the starting QB and get a late signed Daunte Culpepper up to speed ASAP from scratch with the playbook and ready to play, but also find enough quality snaps for a raw rookie who has been sitting at home for over a month?... Jamarcus doesn't have the benefit of walking into a situation where the scheme has been in place for awhile and being the only one that needed to be brought up to speed like Leinart, Young and Cutler were afforded last year...

I want to see JaMarcus play as much as anyone else, but the reality is nobody can provide valid reasoning outside of "he was the #1 pick and makes big bucks" and "McCown and Pepper suck"...

* Is he outperforming the other guys in practice?...
Playing a guy just because his draft status says that he should be playing is a very quick way to lose a team IMO.... How do you sell the team on the concept that playing is based on merit if you're just handing the million dollar bonus baby the job when his practice performance doesn't merit it?... Creating resentment is not exactly the best way for JaMarcus to develop the leadership ability he'll need... People always hold Roethlisberger up as the ideal for a rookie starter, but let's not gloss over the drama it caused amongst the likes of veteran leaders like Faneca... Winning cured that quickly in Pitt but that's not something likely to happen here...

I'm not concerned with his grasp of the playbook because as mentioned, playbooks can be dumbed down... My thing is with all the blitzes that he is sure to see, does he has the protection checks down pat enough? A QB that can't audible out of vulnerable playcalls against certain blitz calls and an offensive line struggling in pass pro is a pretty volatile mix...

When we play him, I'm sure we'll go to max protect with 2-3 man patterns and go with more quick timing routes out of the shotgun formation, which also serves to limit your playcalls in the run game... Multiple read routes will be out, we'll throw more on first down to avoid certain blitz packages... I'm not concerned that he'll take a beating and lose confidence because he seems to be really even keeled and I don't see him going fetal when hit like a Joey Harrington did, but I am concerned with the bad habits this kind of situation can often produce... Dumbed down offenses with simple pass routes lead to QB's forcing the ball and throwing into double coverages... Having minimal receivers out in pattern while max protecting lead to QB's holding onto the ball too long when the primary is covered... Protection issues and blitzes lead to QB's throwing off their back foot and bad release points... He already had a lot of footwork and technique issues coming in, who knows if that has been satisfactorly resolved or if playing under the constant duress of a pass rush will have him reverting back to what he has been comfortable with all these years... and let's not forget that we are often forced to move the pocket because we are so weak at OT so werew are also asking him to be accurate on the move...I just would hate to see him develop long term bad habits ala David Carr... If having these kind of concerns makes me a 'babysitter', so be it... I've certainly been called worse...

I'd rather trade long term success for the short term satisfaction of seeing him out there even if it means another couple of weeks or months of spares like McCown and Culpepper... That the head coach and both starting WR's have felt he wasn't ready yet sends up a huge red flag for me personally... WR's are the most selfish, stat conscience, impatient breed in the game... They should be calling for the change considering they haven't been able to stat up with the current guys... That they aren't just sets off the Spidey Sense in a big way...

Bottom line for me is because there is no actual visual evidence to go on, I'm going to have more trust in guys that have seen him perform in practices to determine when he should be in there because the fans have NOTHING but LSU highlight clips to go on... We don't even have the 'he looked great against the Forty Niners in preseason' to hang our hats on like we did Andrew Walter...

We jacked this thing up from the jump... If we wanted him to play this year we should have been more aggressive in getting him signed before the draft and had more of a sense of urgency in getting him into camp... If we didn't expect him to play, we should have have made Jeff Garcia an offer he couldn't refuse after Kiffin deemed him a good fit for what he wanted to do... Instead we trade for the guy who was supposed to keep the seat warm for a month, then we give a pretty good sum of money to a big name guy who was then expected to keep the seat warm for the year and now with those two plans failed we're rushing the rookie down the wedding aisle... It's just this kind of piss poor FUBAR planning by the guys that "do the grocery shopping" that has had this team in the toilet since 2002...

I'm looking forward to see the big rookie play especially since I really wanted to draft him, but I'm not looking forward to all the inevitable "he's a bust" comments when he doesn't come out perfroming like he's dipped in gold because I really don't think we've done a good job of putting him in position to succeed at all... If Kiffin and Knapp truely feel he's not ready based on practice and classroom work, then I'd rather see them hold their water than give in to pressure... If they feel he's a go and that he's EARNED the chance to play, then let's get him out there even if it's with a limited playbook...

We have some good young players, but our overall talent level falls somewhere between the 4-12 through 6-10 range... The sad thing is even playing it as close to the vest as we've been forced to do, we could have been in the thick of things with just average QB play (and a defense that stepped up a few times in the back half of 4th quarters)... The shame is the QB thing could have been rectified if the gawddam front office hadn't been asleep at the wheel IMO... I swear I would give up our next three #1 picks to get a guy like Scott Pioli in here...


~XXOO
The Baby Sitter
 
Hey...you might be right HBoy but...

I give up already.... 5 years of losing, sick of the same arguments... year after year of the same shitty QB play, the same shitty defense when the game is on the line...
:p
 
I dont think our OL is as bad as it seems

Our decision making on the other hand...

We cannot simply prevail under bad circumstances

In other words

We dont have that... "playmaker"

ala Favre, Brady, Manning type

Hopefully Russell is our savior

Because we are certainly in position to win games

Now getting 2 playmakers like drafting McFadden and you'd be surprised at the turn around

Look at the score

Chiefs 12
Ten - 13
Houston - 24
Bears - 17

I mean c'mon man... We put up 2 TD's and a FG and we win 3 games

Tied with the Chargers for 1st place

I hope I'm wrong here fellas

But I truely beieve that this team has a "losing" mentality

Theres no "believing" they can win a game when it counts

Porter is one guy that needs to go...

I firmly believe that once we win that game with Russell where we are down by 6 or so and he drives us for the winning TD

It will snowball from there
 
* Is he outperforming the other guys in practice?...
Playing a guy just because his draft status says that he should be playing is a very quick way to lose a team IMO.... How do you sell the team on the concept that playing is based on merit if you're just handing the million dollar bonus baby the job when his practice performance doesn't merit it?... Creating resentment is not exactly the best way for JaMarcus to develop the leadership ability he'll need... People always hold Roethlisberger up as the ideal for a rookie starter, but let's not gloss over the drama it caused amongst the likes of veteran leaders like Faneca... Winning cured that quickly in Pitt but that's not something likely to happen here...


~XXOO
The Baby Sitter


A very quick way to lose a team... yeah, but the status of this team as this season goes is... lost. So we have nothing to lose watching him play.


Resentment? from whom? Culpepper? McCown? Walter? This will be a new team in many, many ways next year. I wouldn't mind about anybody's feelings in the locker room right now. I don't think Kiffin does.

Yeah, at the beggining nobody expected or wished to see Russell play, but this is a different situation. The season is flushed, though som purists will say the math isn't done yet, and Kiffin has lost the grip on this team.

So there's nothing worse than this, and if there's, the difference should be marginal. Russell is our last hope of watching some fun. OK, Michael Bush should play too.
 
You think Kiff would have a different outlook if Al told him that this season is a throw away and his job is safe, just start the kid?
 
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