Early Shits & Giggles Poll

Who's the top guy on your board right now?


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Assuming everyone is available, who should be the #1 guy on our board at this point?

You're not marrying yourself to any jihad here. We'll all flip-flop as the draft gets closer and we're bombarded with new info about each player. But, right now, who's the #1 guy?
 
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I picked Dorsey. I doubt he'll be there, but we do need help up the middle in the worst way... man, if we could land him and maybe that Komoeatu fatass we'd really have something going.

I must say that I'm really warming up to Gholston though. To have a superstud DE would be really nice. Pairing him with our other speedrushers is tantlizing... of course I guess teams could just avoid him by running for 250+ yards a game up the middle...
 
Hey Crow, do you know any sites that have profiles up?
 
I chose the playmaker guy in McFadden. I know I preach Def but a true playmaker can grow with this young Offense. Bush and McFadden could be Kiffs White and Bush, along with a nice rotation of RB. Next year will still be considered a building year anyway.
 
You know, I just don't think McFadden's much of a possibility becasue I've heard Kiffin say that the idea behind his offensive system is to be able to plug anyone in there and get good results... and obviously it's already working.
 
I'm honestly torn. I went with Dorsey because I think he's the best player at our biggest need...if not the best player in the draft.

At this stage, I can easily be swayed to go with Long or Gholston if I were assured of a righteous DT in Rd2 and FA.

Pat Williams, come on down!
 
You know, I just don't think McFadden's much of a possibility becasue I've heard Kiffin say that the idea behind his offensive system is to be able to plug anyone in there and get good results... and obviously it's already working.

Well, there's good results, and then there's gamebreaking. A very good argument can be made for taking McFadden. If not for our horrid D-line, he'd probably be my main guy.

But, alas. Our D-line is arguably the worst in the league. That's not going to get better with some bargain bin FA additions.
 
You know, I just don't think McFadden's much of a possibility becasue I've heard Kiffin say that the idea behind his offensive system is to be able to plug anyone in there and get good results... and obviously it's already working.

I am pleased with the running games improvement, but none of our current rb's put the fear of god into a def cord game plan.

Add a legit #1 wr in fa and DMC (6 feet 2 inches tall, weighing 215 pounds, and possessing 4.3 second speed in the 40-yard dash) and a offensive cord (kiffen) will blow a load in his pants guaranteed! Think of all the possibilities.

Go Def in RD 2 and FA.
 
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Very close between Dorsey and Chris Long for me, but I just think Dorsey is a tad bigger need for us.

I'd be ecstatic with either one, though, and I think we should wind up with one of the two, which has me stoked.

-- Parcells, I imagine, will have Miami taking a QB.

-- St. Louis just drafted two interior DL last year who are starters for them (Clifton Ryan, Adam Carriker).

-- If Atlanta picks ahead of us, they could take a QB, as well.
 
All good picks gentlemen. I am currently on the DMC bandwagon. Watching JaMarcus back there was awesome today. I feel like he flashed signs of being a major threat for our offense one day. The best way to take pressure off him is put an equally elite prospect in the back-field behind him. If there were a true #1 WR like CJ or a premier LT I would be swayed. I do really like the DL prospects but DMC add's a playmaker to and offense that has none.

McFadden
C.Long
Dorsey
Gohlston
Long
Campell
Elllis

Give me one of those guys...
 
-- Parcells, I imagine, will have Miami taking a QB.

No chance in my opinion.... The Tuna needs to turn that thing around right away. Developing a QB doesn't fit that agenda. He's most likely going to trade out Jimmy Johnson style.

It's a good thing he and Al are friends.... maybe we can trade up and take Chris Long.........

:D
 
Long or Gholston for me.

I went with Long in the poll, but everyday I change who I think will go ahead of who...

I personally believe that Gholston is the type of specimen who could come to the combine at 6 foot 4 270 pounds, throw up 30 reps and run a 4.6 and push himself atop the DL board.

I also believe that if Michael Oher comes out, he jumps into the top five. You heard it here first. At the very least, Jake Long or Michael Oher should be among the first few picks.

In a worst case scenario sort of thing: Dorsey, Gholston, Long and McFadden are gone before we pick.

Personally though, I think a QB sneaks in the top five, Run DMC goes top five and one of the top OT's (Long/Oher) goes top five...Leaving us to choose among the best DL prospect on our own board.

I would love to see us sitting at the 4 spot in the draft, staring at Gholston, Chris Long, Sed Ellis and Glenn Dorsey.

A trade down to around the 7-8 spot to pick up our lost 3rd and 5th rounder?
 
Would anyone be pissed if we went with Mike Oher if he declares?

I think he is a pure talent at LT, and reminds me of D'Brick Ferguson only bigger and stronger.

He's so young and raw though, that its another 'risk pick' but if anyone has seen him play, at times he looks a LOT like Orlando Pace at OSU. Dominating.



We're talking freshman all american, top high school recruit, All SEC,6-6 330, agile, and wont turn 22 until after the draft...
 
Could go with any of them, really.

I take McFadden out because Jordan, Fargas and Rhodes all had 100-yard games this year and Bush is waiting in the wings. He'd be a luxury at this point, not a need.

I take Long out because I see him as a right tackle, and McQuistan and Green even don't seem so bad that someone of Long's fairly pedestrian NFL talent would require his being taken.

Right now my board would look like:

1. Gholston
2. Chris Long
3. Dorsey
4. Oher
5. Ellis
6. Kenny Phillips - surprised no one has brought him up
7. McFadden
8. Jake Long
9. DeSean Jackson
10. Ryan Clady
 
I'm leaning towards Ghoulston because of his freakish ability and I think he can be a game changer right off the bat but I wouldn't be upset with either Dorsey or Long. I don't think we need McFadden and I'm not too enamored with Jake Long. Put me on the draft the DT in the second round jihad.
 
Would anyone be pissed if we went with Mike Oher if he declares?
Very much so, yes.

We could use the upgrade at LT. But I don't think we need it so badly that we gamble on some raw, might pan out, might not guy with a top 5 pick.
I personally believe that Gholston is the type of specimen who could come to the combine at 6 foot 4 270 pounds, throw up 30 reps and run a 4.6 and push himself atop the DL board.
I agree. I think that's going to have Parcells thinking really hard about dropping that #1 on him.

In a worst case scenario sort of thing: Dorsey, Gholston, Long and McFadden are gone before we pick.
You make me sad when you talk like that.

It's a possibility, but I'm hopeful that Atlanta or KC does the buddy thing and goes OL or QB.
I would love to see us sitting at the 4 spot in the draft, staring at Gholston, Chris Long, Sed Ellis and Glenn Dorsey.
Asking a bit much there, I think. Change "and" to "or" and we're on the same page.
A trade down to around the 7-8 spot to pick up our lost 3rd and 5th rounder?
Trading down all but assures that we lose out on a much needed blue chip DL.

Better to redo last year's trick and swap a 2009 3rd rounder and a 2008 second day pick for a 3rd round pick. Should be a DT, OT, or SAM sitting there that we'd do well to pounce on. The Beau Bell contingent here will probably be clamoring for this move come April.

We also have some guys coming off injury who may slip to the 3rd. OT Tony Hills has a broken leg. He may even pull a Michael Bush and be there waiting for us in Rd4.

Didn't Adarius Bowman bust his leg too, or was it a knee injury? If he can't put in a full workout before the draft, someone could be getting a really nice value pick.

I'd like to see us swap the next year's 3 (plus incentives) for a current 3 every year, to be honest.

No chance in my opinion.... The Tuna needs to turn that thing around right away. Developing a QB doesn't fit that agenda. He's most likely going to trade out Jimmy Johnson style.

It's a good thing he and Al are friends.... maybe we can trade up and take Chris Long.........

:D
Agreed about Miami not even considering a QB. You should be ashamed for even suggesting we trade up, though.

Could go with any of them, really.

I take McFadden out because Jordan, Fargas and Rhodes all had 100-yard games this year and Bush is waiting in the wings. He'd be a luxury at this point, not a need.
Tis true, and we could find a speedster elsewhere.

I take Long out because I see him as a right tackle, and McQuistan and Green even don't seem so bad that someone of Long's fairly pedestrian NFL talent would require his being taken.
You just offended the Jake Long contingent. Lock your doors tonight.

6. Kenny Phillips - surprised no one has brought him up
We're afraid to say his name for fear he may have Beetlejuice type powers...
 
Im gonna go ahead an stir things up a bit and say Jake Long is being sold short here at afcwestforums.com (the one stop shop for all your Raider needs).

He may be a RT in the NFL. But he is one of the better run blocking T's to come out in a ver ylong time. This guy is nasty as hell and will be one of the better RT's in the NFL within a few years. Mark May, one guy who watches a ton of football and usually is pretty on point IMO, is really high on Long he even said he was the best player in college football half way through the season. Sure he is just another talking head/former player turned blowhard, but he watches more college football than anyone here (realtalk). Being a Michigan fan i have seen Long many times and while selecting a RT top 5 may be foolish, we are talking about a blue-chip pro-bowl type player.

P.S Thats giving up the idea he might plat LT which isnt out of the question. Dude has skills. And please dont bring up the only sack he gave up all year to V.Gohlston. Thats really not gonna change my mind. lol. I am not saying J.Long is in my top 3, but if we want an OL upgrade that guy is your man not Oher IMO.
 
Dorsey would be the #1 guy on my board in terms of value and return for the price. However, my Vernon Gholston jihad is in full force as I think once he works out you're looking at a guy who has an unlimited ceiling. But for the purposes of this discussion, I voted for Dorsey.
 
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