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[SIZE=+1]Broncos[/SIZE]
1. (17) Florida DE Jarvis Moss
Ht/Wt: 6-6.5/250
40: 4.7
Enormous upside but won't be more than a situational player as a rookie
2. (56) Texas DE Tim Crowder
Ht/Wt: 6-3.5/272
40: 4.69
Has every-down ability; more likely to start immediately than Moss
3. (70) Notre Dame OL Ryan Harris
Ht/Wt: 6-5/299
40: 5.09
Smart and athletic; likely a guard or right tackle in zone-blocking system
4. (121) Florida DT Marcus Thomas
Ht/Wt: 6-3/296
40: 4.92
First-round talent has myriad of off-field problems; typical boom or bust
Overall: The Crowder pick should pay dividends, as he projects to be a player that rarely has to come off the field, but Moss is a risk who could turn out to be just a rotational type. He's unlikely to solve Denver's problems at the defensive end position in 2007. Denver invested a lot in Thomas by trading up to get him. Harris had a highly inconsistent senior season and didn't help himself in the pre-draft process. The Broncos had a solid offseason overall but their draft isn't pretty.

Overall Grade: C-

[SIZE=+1]Chiefs[/SIZE]
1. (23) LSU WR Dwayne Bowe
Ht/Wt: 6-2/221
40: 4.57
Strong blocker, red-zone threat should emerge as top receiver right away
2. (54) Tennessee DL Turk McBride
Ht/Wt: 6-2/277
40: 4.81
'Tweener defensive tackle/end wasn't much of a college pass rusher
3. (82) NC State DT Tank Tyler
Ht/Wt: 6-2/306
40: 5.3
Nose tackle has tremendous strength but could be buried as a rookie
5. (148) Louisville RB Kolby Smith
Ht/Wt: 5-11/220
40: 4.51
Underrated prospect has chance to take over as the primary backup
5. (160) UCLA K Justin Medlock
Ht/Wt: 5-11.5/198
40: 4.9
Consistent; will start as a rookie and be upgrade over Lawrence Tynes
6. (196) TCU OL Herbert Taylor
Ht/Wt: 6-4/282
40: 5.19
Highly athletic and smart; Taylor possesses upside to be starting guard
7. (231) Whitworth TE Michael Allan
Ht/Wt: 6-6/255
40: 4.71
Project has passing-game skills down but won't make immediate impact
Overall: All the players Kansas City drafted are near certain to make the team, and that's a real positive. But the Chiefs are putting quite a bit on McBride's plate by asking him to start while Jared Allen serves his two-game suspension. The rookie is not likely to generate production. Smith has an outside chance to be the Chiefs' running back of the future if Larry Johnson moves on in 2008. Tyler was probably the best player available at No. 82 but will have to beat out several higher-paid tackles for time. Bowe is a perfect fit for the conservative Chiefs offense and will start from Day One.

Overall Grade: B-

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Raiders

1. (1) LSU QB JaMarcus Russell
Ht/Wt: 6-5.5/265
40: 4.83
Good long-term prospect slated to redshirt behind Josh McCown in '07
2. (38) Arizona State TE Zach Miller
Ht/Wt: 6-4/256
40: 4.86
Complete tight end likely to start and bring consistency to the position
3. (65) Georgia DE Quentin Moses
Ht/Wt: 6-5/261
40: 4.82
Lacks ideal measurables, production as a senior; could help in a rotation
3. (91) Florida State OT Mario Henderson
Ht/Wt: 6-6.5/307
40: 5.11
Athletic like Alex Barron but unlikely to contribute early in his career
3. (99) UTEP WR Johnnie Lee Higgins
Ht/Wt: 5-11/186
40: 4.48
Slot prospect is shifty and explosive; will battle Chris Carr for return job
4. (100) Louisville RB Michael Bush
Ht/Wt: 6-2/243
40: 4.63
Ideal every-down back could be a huge steal if his leg heals as expected
4. (110) Cincinnati CB John Bowie
Ht/Wt: 5-11/188
40: 4.37
Speedster couldn't stay healthy at UC; Raiders took him way too high
5. (138) Ohio State DL Jay Richardson
Ht/Wt: 6-5.5/279
40: 5.04
College underachiever is versatile but not explosive enough to be starter
5. (165) Washington State S Eric Frampton
Ht/Wt: 5-11/204
40: 4.64
Likely core special teams player could take Jarrod Cooper's roster spot
6. (175) Arkansas State FB Oren O'Neal
Ht/Wt: 6-0/248
40: 4.78
Classic lead-blocking prospect has series of medical issues in his past
7. (254) Louisiana Tech WR Johnathan Holland
Ht/Wt: 6-0/191
40: 4.45
Has sprinter's speed; basically a poor man's version of J.L. Higgins

Overall: The Raiders are overhauling their roster with projects. Even Bush can be considered a pick for the future, as he doesn't figure to help right off the bat while recovering from leg surgery and battling several backs for playing time. However, this draft certainly is not devoid of talent and it's possible Oakland will eventually field a starting lineup that includes Russell, Bush, Miller, and Henderson on offense. The Raiders took risks but they were well calculated.

Overall Grade: B+

Chargers

1. (30) LSU WR Craig Davis
Ht/Wt: 6-1/207
40: 4.49
Unsung hero of Tigers' offense has been impressive in early workouts
2. (37) Utah DB Eric Weddle
Ht/Wt: 5-11/203
40: 4.56
Unusual fit at strong safety but should shut down opposing tight ends
3. (96) Clemson LB Anthony Waters
Ht/Wt: 6-2.5/245
40: 4.62
ILB prospect could be a steal if rehab from torn ACL continues smoothly
4. (129) Iowa TE Scott Chandler
Ht/Wt: 6-7/270
40: 4.87
One-dimensional converted WR has a ways to go before he'll be useful
5. (172) Boise State WR Legedu Naanee
Ht/Wt: 6-2/225
40: 4.45
Interesting measurables but still developing; being tried at F-back position
7. (240) Florida LB Brandon Siler
Ht/Wt: 6-2/241
40: 4.52
Instinctive and quick; fell from early-round prospect for unknown reasons
Overall: Even though they traded away multiple picks to secure Weddle early in the second round, the Bolts did an excellent job again in this draft. They filled their most pressing needs in Rounds One and Two and loaded up on athleticism the rest of the way. Waters and Siler both could push for playing time as rookies. Naanee will be on Malcom Floyd and Brandon Manumaleuna's heels soon. Already arguably the most talented NFL team, the Chargers improved via the draft with two possibly instant starters and added competition for their incumbents.

Overall Grade: A-

I think there was a little bias here, but the Donks get a A- and we got a B+. I would flip flop those grades......
 
Am i the only one who feels like we had a great draft and every other AFC west team had a shitty draft? Craig Davis is a first round stretch IMO. He is fast but Bowe was the #1 target for JR at LSU not Davis. Bowe can block his ass off too. The Bolts also traded a boatload to to get Weddle who isnt exactly worht all that hype either IMO. Besides people need to start mentioning that we traded a pick for McCown and Mike Williams. One is our starting QB and the other is a young WR who was a top 12 Pick only two years ago. I thought WR was one of the hardest positions to learn in the NFL.
 
The Chargers draft was brutal until the end, IMO. Weddle for 4 draft picks? and Craig Davis when Jarrett and Gonzalez were on the board?

Yuck.

The Bronco's revamped their DL with every thug they could find. Moss and Thomas have both had their character questioned...Not a fan.

The Chiefs did well, IMO. Bowe was a great pick, and Tank Tyler was a smart move...

I still think this draft will define the Raiders over the next ten years. If all of Russell-Miller-Bush-Moses-Higgins-Henderson pan out (Or even the majority) we could have a powerhouse of a young team.

Our grade is B+ at the lowest...Only Kiper didnt like our draft.
 
The Bowie pick is what people are giving us low grades for. Him and Oneil were taken to high.

Moses > Moss
JaMarcus > Cutler/Rivers/Croyle

Im happy as shit. I would also take a cheaper Z.Miller than a grossly overpaid Daniel Graham. I also think Michael Bush is going to be a stud.
 
I really like what we did, though passing on Alan Branch is still real iffy... Not that Zach Miller wasn't a great pick, but man could we use a run stopper like that in our division...


Aside from ours, I actually like the Chargers draft, especially what they did defensively... Weddle can seriously ball, is really smart and fits in well behind what they have at corner in Jammer and Cromartie... Siler and Waters are great fits as potential starting ILB's in that 34 they run... With what they have upfront and with Phillips and Merriman outside, they're absolutely stacked over the long term on defense... The only upside for the rest of the division is they didn't say fug the receiver and had taken Alan Branch to rotate with Jamal Williams over the nose and that Wade Phillips is no longer around to pull the strings...
 
Byron2112 said:
Really?

What'd Kiper have to say?
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C- grade from the douche.

He said we reached on almost everyone but JL Higgins.

A pure hater.

HBoy said:
actually like the Chargers draft, especially what they did defensively... Weddle can seriously ball, is really smart and fits in well behind what they have at corner in Jammer and Cromartie
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Its not that Weddle cant play, its that they gave up the farm to get him...I mean 4 picks to move up 12 spots, when he probably would have been there for them?

Silly, IMO.

If there is one team with enough talent to get away with tossing picks away, its the Chargers.
 
The Chargers are going to miss Donnie Edwards. Im still not sold on that secondary either. But the D-Line and OLB's are sick nasty. And the offense... damn im glad Norv is taking over, he should fuck that all up by year two when Merriman is undermining him from the lockeroom.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Its not that Weddle cant play, its that they gave up the farm to get him...I mean 4 picks to move up 12 spots, when he probably would have been there for them?

Silly, IMO.

If there is one team with enough talent to get away with tossing picks away, its the Chargers.
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I'd have to agree that the Dolts gave up way too much for a guy that probably would have been there later. Still a lot of question marks after the first two picks but still enough to merit an A-? :rolleyes:

Our draft picks are deemed projects in this writer's eyes but the Chargers with their share of project picks have at least two potential starters if not more. :rolleyes: This is probably the highest draft grade I've seen the Dolts receive. IMO, their draft is at the bottom of the AFC West.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Our grade is B+ at the lowest...Only Kiper didnt like our draft.
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Perhaps you should diversify yourself and check out more sites. :D Kiper wasn't the only one who wasn't impressed with our draft.


From what I've seen this year, 70% seem to give us a good grade. Up from the usual 5% that Davis drafts usually achieve.
 
 
Bro... you've got to be kidding me. You can't be trying to defend your ridiculous statement.

Are your trying to imply that you've uncovered enough magazine, tv, scout, and internet analysis to prove your ridiculous point that Kiper is the only guy that didn't like the Raiders draft?

Or that the painfully small handful of hand picked sites you've provided is an accurate reflection of something?

That's the most irreverent take I've seen... ever. I'm hoping you're shitfaced right now.


I've posted this link before... and I'll post it again...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Day/2007/draftanalysis.htm

Pro Football Weekly gave the Raiders the lowest grade possible. Back to my original point... feel free to check out a few more places and you'll see that even though Kiper is in the minority, he certainly is not the only one to give the Raiders a low grade.
 
SoCalRaider said:
Bro... you've got to be kidding me. You can't be trying to defend your ridiculous statement.

Are your trying to imply that you've uncovered enough magazine, tv, scout, and internet analysis to prove your ridiculous point that Kiper is the only guy that didn't like the Raiders draft?

Or that the painfully small handful of hand picked sites you've provided is an accurate reflection of something?

That's the most irreverent take I've seen... ever. I'm hoping you're shitfaced right now.


I've posted this link before... and I'll post it again...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Day/2007/draftanalysis.htm

Pro Football Weekly gave the Raiders the lowest grade possible. Back to my original point... feel free to check out a few more places and you'll see that even though Kiper is in the minority, he certainly is not the only one to give the Raiders a low grade.
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That draft recap was a joke. JaMarcus was a reach at #1???? BUT, he would have been a steal at #2 or #3! Calvin Johnson would have turned this franchise around faster....???? I cant remember the last QB prospect who was given more credit than JR as a passer? Elway, Marino?Maybe Vince Young was deemed a Michael Vick, who would never be a pocket passer... like Tom Brady and P.Mann (4 superbowls). JaMarcus would have been rated higher than most of the QB's taken in the last 5 years. He is an athletic Qb who passes first! He made MR. hot shit Brady Quinn go from a #1 overall prospect to a fucking mid/late 1st round round gem. AND Z.MIller is no different than H.MIller or T.Heap coming out of college, talented pass cathers who arent deep threats...who gives a shit. We have had deep threats who cant catch a 4 yard first down for the last 5 years. Can a solid tight end be drafted that high. Or is it only guys like Vernon Davis? Who was so dynamic last season
Also if Moses came out after his junior year he would have been a top 5 pick?, he was rated in alot of places as the #1 senior before the last college season!!! I guess one year of being double teamed is worth everyone eating they're own words? I watched him b/c of all the hype before last season, and i wasnt dissapointed. This guys is a baller. Im guessing the Kid can still play at a higher level than a 3rd rounder if just one year ago EVERYONE had him as a top 10 pick. If not than Mel Kiper and every other draft Guru is a joke. If your analysis of a player changes that much after 10 games than how reliable was it in the first place? Does one year really make that much difference?

JR = potential Pro-Bowl QB for the next 10+ years... A+

Z.MIller = reliable hands for a young Qb to rely on and grow with. A+

Q.Moses = a pass rush specialist with tremendous 3rd round value B+

M.Henderson = Florida state doesent let anyone play LT ask Alex Barron. C, major upside

Bowie = NO comment, see Stanford Routte. F+ Kiffin must know something? Hopefully this isnt as bad as it looked

J.L.Higgins = a speedy guy who can be a big play threat for Kiff to mix in from the slot? Major production and speed. An AL pick that I like. B+

Michael Bush = A potential top 15 pick who would have been highly coveted if not for a nasty injury. IF he is 1/2 the back he was in college A++ tremendous value if healthy.

Add our other second day picks plus Mike "#11 overall, made by Kiffin" Williams and our new STARTING Qb Josh McCown who will be seriously helping JR progress patiently. A+++++++

Our draft kicked ass. I cant fucking wait till Madden comes out. i am going to punish people online. :cool:

Calvin Johnson at #1 would have been a foolish mistake. I admit that i was wrong for being on the CJ over JR bandwagon. I was scared to draft a QB, now its everyone else's turn to be scared of him. Dude says all the right things and can throw a ball through a fucking vault door. TJ Housmazilly.... Championship.....
 
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BigTron said:
Calvin Johnson at #1 would have been a foolish mistake. I admit that i was wrong for being on the CJ over JR bandwagon. I was scared to draft a QB, now its everyone else's turn to be scared of him. Dude says all the right things and can throw a ball through a fucking vault door. TJ Housmazilly.... Championship.....
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Like I said before the draft, we all saw this coming

If they pass on a QB, half of them would have said thats why the game has past Al Davis by.

If we take JR, it's reach

Raider bitter ink is all it is....

Man, I dont even read any of those sites anymore like I use to...

Only place I go is to NFL com to get stats.. The rest of those hack sites can kiss my white ass...

Fuck 'em
 
SoCalRaider said:
Bro... you've got to be kidding me. You can't be trying to defend your ridiculous statement.

Are your trying to imply that you've uncovered enough magazine, tv, scout, and internet analysis to prove your ridiculous point that Kiper is the only guy that didn't like the Raiders draft?

Or that the painfully small handful of hand picked sites you've provided is an accurate reflection of something?

That's the most irreverent take I've seen... ever. I'm hoping you're shitfaced right now.


I've posted this link before... and I'll post it again...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Day/2007/draftanalysis.htm

Pro Football Weekly gave the Raiders the lowest grade possible. Back to my original point... feel free to check out a few more places and you'll see that even though Kiper is in the minority, he certainly is not the only one to give the Raiders a low grade.
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I used a sample that took me two minutes.

If I found a thousand more links, it wouldnt change the fact that this was arguably the best draft we've ever had and about 90% of people agree. Not 70%.

I've literally only seen 1 or 2 people even have a bad thing to say about the draft, and for once even our rivals were jealous of what we accomplished.

We fumbled the ball in round 4 and beyond, but the McCown and Williams trade made up for the Bowie-O'Neal-Hollan-Richardson fumble, IMO.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
I used a sample that took me two minutes.

If I found a thousand more links, it wouldnt change the fact that this was arguably the best draft we've ever had and about 90% of people agree. Not 70%.

I've literally only seen 1 or 2 people even have a bad thing to say about the draft, and for once even our rivals were jealous of what we accomplished.

We fumbled the ball in round 4 and beyond, but the McCown and Williams trade made up for the Bowie-O'Neal-Hollan-Richardson fumble, IMO.
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I don't even think those 2nd day picks were a fumble. Every single one of them has big upside. True, every single one of them is a potential bust, but when you consider how well we did on the 1st day, is it really that big an issue?

Additionally, how many late round guys go on to become top-tier starters? Sure there's Brady and Terrell Davis and a bunch of other guys. I bet someone could produce a loooooong list of them, but I could produce a list at least 10 times longer of guys who never went on to do anything worth noting. The list of 1st day busts would be bigger.

So where's the harm in taking some risks on guys with upside on day 2? Teams even do that in round 1.

Is the argument that we need more players to become a better team? That's a good one. It's almost laughable. A collection of better day 2 guys is not going to make us into a playoff team this season. A collection of solid day 1 guys this season and next season is going to do that. We've already gotten this season's guys. If we don't fumble their development, and we draft next year like we did this year, we're ready for years to come.
 
I just read that PFW piece of crap. That guy rated Dallas outstanding for drafting one guy and a bunch of backups. Excuse me? Oh yeah, it's outstanding because he acquired a 1st rounder next year in the process. Oh lovely. That's going to make the club better this season. I guess a Jerry Jones type QB is better than an Al Davis anything in his book. Jones has done so well since kicking his friend and real team genius Jimmy Johnson to the curb.
 
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