D Burgess a no show?

I think if he keeps his mouth shut and has another productive year, he'll be justly rewarded. He doesn't have a lot of leverage right now and pissing off the old guy isn't going to be the way to get it done. I think he's doing the right thing.
 
Did anyone hear anything about Burg having groin surgery this past month?...
 
Burgess on the PUP list

Defensive end Derrick Burgess showed up on time to camp, but he's temporarily out of commission. The two-time Pro Bowl choice had a hernia operation two weeks ago, and has been placed on the Raiders' physically unable to perform list. He worked out individually with a trainer, and seemed to be moving pretty well. Indeed, coach Lane Kiffin said if the team had to play tomorrow, Burgess would suit up.

In his absence, Kevin Huntley lined up at left defensive end and Tommy Kelly at right end, with Warren Sapp and Terdell Sands in the middle. I'll elaborate in tomorrow's paper.
 
Nope, not a word...

See, Crow's ducted taped CB internet connection goes tits up and you guys fall right out of the loop... It's me and the Pope, riding the coconut wireless... :D


Defensive end Derrick Burgess showed up on time to camp, but he's temporarily out of commission.

I hope this is nothing like Porter's "minor" hernia surgery a few years back...



In his absence, Kevin Huntley lined up at left defensive end and Tommy Kelly at right end, with Warren Sapp and Terdell Sands in the middle. I'll elaborate in tomorrow's paper.


Where art thee Tyler Brayton?...
 
Burgess sits after surgery; doesn't worry about contract

His deal seems low for an elite pass rusher.

Saturday, July 28, 2007

NAPA -- Everyone predicting a Derrick Burgess holdout was partially right.

He isn't practicing.

Not because of a contract dispute, but because of hernia surgery two weeks ago.

The two-time Pro Bowl defensive end is on the physically unable to perform list. He performed agility drills Friday, but did not participate in team drills.

As far as a new contract being worked out, Burgess was led to believe it could happen by what turned out to be an unreliable source.

"At one point, it was talked about it, but evidently the guy who said it is no longer here," Burgess said. "OK, well, you know, he's not here." When told that guy, fired personnel executive Mike Lombardi, was hired by the Denver Broncos, he said: "Tell him I said, 'What's happening? I appreciate it.'"

Burgess signed a five-year, $15 million contract before the 2005 season. Since then he's become one of the NFL's elite pass rushers, even if his contract says otherwise.

"Well, we all deserve a lot of things," Burgess said. "But it is what it is, man. I'm here. I signed a contract here, I'm here to play for the Raiders."

But it's hard to ignore how defensive ends are being paid.

Defensive ends with lesser credentials -- such as Patrick Kerney (six years, $39.5 million, $19.5 million guaranteed from Seattle) and Dewayne White (five years, $29 million, $13 million guaranteed from Detroit) -- have cashed in this offseason.

Indianapolis star Dwight Freeney signed a six-year, $72 million deal, with $30 million guaranteed.

"Hopefully they decide they want to give me a new contract, cool," Burgess said. "If not, hey, it's a business, you got to remember that. The only part I want everybody to understand, like I tell the young cats, always treat it like one."

As for his surgery, Burgess said he was born with a hernia, but it only started bothering him recently. He said there's no timetable for his return but didn't appear worried. Coach Lane Kiffin said if there was a game to be played, Burgess could play.

One Raider was sarcastically unsympathetic. "He's just taking advantage of the situation," said defensive tackle Warren Sapp. "He's no PUP."

And the two are already in midseason form -- verbally.

"He didn't tell you that lie," Burgess said. "I'm (telling) him you lied on him, too."


No-shows

Quarterback JaMarcus Russell, the first overall draft choice, is at home in Mobile, Ala. without a deal. Second-round pick Zach Miller also missed the first practice without a contract.

Russell's deal could be done this weekend. The Raiders think an agreement with Miller is closer.

"We felt that Zach was going to be at this practice, even up until a few minutes before practice," Kiffin said. "But at the last minute, it just didn't happen."


Up front


The first-team offensive line was Barry Sims at left tackle, Robert Gallery at left guard, Jake Grove at center and Cooper Carlisle at right guard.

Cornell Green, a nine-year veteran from Central Florida, played right tackle instead of Paul McQuistan.
 
"Well, we all deserve a lot of things," Burgess said. "But it is what it is, man. I'm here. I signed a contract here, I'm here to play for the Raiders."


Quarterback JaMarcus Russell, the first overall draft choice, is at home in Mobile, Ala. without a deal. Second-round pick Zach Miller also missed the first practice without a contract.

Russell's deal could be done this weekend. The Raiders think an agreement with Miller is closer.


Encouraging to say the least. :D
 
Simeon Rice in Oakland? Not likely

Michael Wagaman

Jul 28, 2007

Five years ago the Raiders would have jumped at the chance to sign someone of Simeon Rice’s caliber. Doing it now, however, would be foolish for a number of reasons, which is why it’s highly unlikely No. 97 will land in Oakland.

For starters, Rice is on the downside of his career and was a problem-child at times for Bucs head coach Jon Gruden. While he was a tremendous talent at one point of his career, Rice no longer is the explosive, dominant player he once was.

The Raiders already have a stud defensive end in Derrick Burgess, a solid player in Tommy Kelly and an up-and-coming talent in Kevin Huntley. They also drafted Quentin Moses in the third round of last April’s draft, giving them depth at the position.

In addition, were Oakland to offer Rice a contract it would be akin to a slap in the face at Burgess. Burgess holds the franchise record for sacks in a single season and has 27 QB takedowns over the last two years. He’s been seeking to renegotiate his deal but hasn’t found much success.

To give money to Rice while essentially giving Burgess the quiet treatment would cause major ripples in the locker room and cause far more problems than it would be worth.
 
Simeon Rice in Oakland? Not likely

Michael Wagaman

Jul 28, 2007

Five years ago the Raiders would have jumped at the chance to sign someone of Simeon Rice’s caliber. Doing it now, however, would be foolish for a number of reasons, which is why it’s highly unlikely No. 97 will land in Oakland.

For starters, Rice is on the downside of his career and was a problem-child at times for Bucs head coach Jon Gruden. While he was a tremendous talent at one point of his career, Rice no longer is the explosive, dominant player he once was.

The Raiders already have a stud defensive end in Derrick Burgess, a solid player in Tommy Kelly and an up-and-coming talent in Kevin Huntley. They also drafted Quentin Moses in the third round of last April’s draft, giving them depth at the position.

In addition, were Oakland to offer Rice a contract it would be akin to a slap in the face at Burgess. Burgess holds the franchise record for sacks in a single season and has 27 QB takedowns over the last two years. He’s been seeking to renegotiate his deal but hasn’t found much success.

To give money to Rice while essentially giving Burgess the quiet treatment would cause major ripples in the locker room and cause far more problems than it would be worth.

I agree with this position. Morever, only a team with legit SB aspirations should make a run at Simean Rice.
 
Burgess is a victim of his agent and a bad personell guy who works for the _onkies right now. He's good and he'll get his.
 
For starters, Rice is on the downside of his career and was a problem-child at times for Bucs head coach Jon Gruden. While he was a tremendous talent at one point of his career, Rice no longer is the explosive, dominant player he once was.
That's a hell of a reach on both counts in my opinion. Sapp is on the downside of his career, but his impact on the defense last year was second to none. Very weak point. Second, I'm not sure anybody can claim Rice is not the player he once was because of his injuries last year. The guy was putting up All Pro numbers up until last year. I wouldn't right him off like that.



The Raiders already have a stud defensive end in Derrick Burgess, a solid player in Tommy Kelly and an up-and-coming talent in Kevin Huntley. They also drafted Quentin Moses in the third round of last April’s draft, giving them depth at the position.
Maybe this guy wrote this piece before finding out about Burgess' sports hernia surgery... but with Burgess coming off a surgery like that, this argument holds little water. Plus Burgess and Rice play on opposite sides of the line. They would only compliment each other.

Kelly, Huntley, and Moses would all be better served if Rice is added to that rotation. Kelly might be a better fit at DT to begin with and should be rotating with Sapp. I'd still say Huntley and Moses are 2 relative unknowns, neither of whom should be a reason to not take a look at Rice.



In addition, were Oakland to offer Rice a contract it would be akin to a slap in the face at Burgess. Burgess holds the franchise record for sacks in a single season and has 27 QB takedowns over the last two years. He’s been seeking to renegotiate his deal but hasn’t found much success.

To give money to Rice while essentially giving Burgess the quiet treatment would cause major ripples in the locker room and cause far more problems than it would be worth.
I still think this entire contract situation with Burgess is idle chatter from his agent. I do agree that the Raiders would have to redo Burgess' contract if they go bring a guy like Rice on board... but I think that would be a win - win situation for everybody involved.
 
We'll it guess it really boils down to contract numbers. If we can sign him to a Donovin Darius type deal, then fine, of course. However, if the number is something in the neighborhood of 3 years with at least 10 million guarenteed, I say pass.

I'd rather reward guys like Burgess & Aso or chase a solid FA offensive lineman heading into 2008 with that cash.

I like Tommy Kelly at DE, but it's becoming obvious to me that he is a classic tweener DL, much like Howie Long was. ***DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that TK is, was or ever will be Howie Long*** Raider Nation is certainly evenly divided as to where he should line-up and it seems the Raiders are as well.

Throw in Huntley, Moses & Richardson, and I like our options. Obviously all 3 combined don't have the track record of a Rice , but on paper, I like the situation we have. BTW, Tyler Brayton might not make the team IMHO....

Besides that, Derrick Burgess is an obvious Team Leader by virtue of being a veteran and one of the few guys that has produced. He's also not making much of a public issue about his contract (it's more a media/internet thing) and I do buy into the notion that bringing Rice at big dollars would not be good for chemistry.

Lastly, I always worry about a Trace Armstrong situation where we signed an 'older' DE to a big contract and the guy proceeds to play in only about 30% of his games.
 
Maybe the Seattle guys can confirm hearing this, but someone told me that according to John Clayton on radio there, Simeon Rice is expected to sign a one year deal with the Raiders... Clayton was dead on when he broke the Isaiah Kaz signing early on Seattle radio, so who knows?...
 
On NFL live they're saying Rice is going to the Giants to replace Strahan...
 
NFL live is a joke. I have never learned anything watching that show. Wingo and Salisbury suck.
 
Apparently he's going for a physical tomorrow, and Strahan's not in camp.
 
I dont really want Rice on the squad. He never shut's his trap. I would take Strahan though!! Because at least he is funny.
 
Maybe the Seattle guys can confirm hearing this, but someone told me that according to John Clayton on radio there, Simeon Rice is expected to sign a one year deal with the Raiders... Clayton was dead on when he broke the Isaiah Kaz signing early on Seattle radio, so who knows?...

Culpepper and Rice in the same week would tell me the pendulum has swung back to reloading instead of rebuilding. If this were to go down, somebody's going to have to start a Corey Dillon and we're a playoff contender jihad.
 
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