D Burgess a no show?

R4Life said:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/

There are no holdouts in April

Burgess was one of three prominent Raiders _ Randy Moss and Warren Sapp being the others _ who did not appear for the team's first volunatary minicamp under Lane Kiffin. His absence, according to the NFL Network, was a contract issue, and hinted his "holdout" could last much longer.

Burgess, of course is not holding out, any more than Moss and Sapp are holding out. Until he fails to appear for a mandatory camp, Burgess' absence is not a serious issue.

If Burgess doesn't show up for the post-draft camp, his absence officially becomes a holdout and something to be concerned about.
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Just for reference Burgess hasn't said a word. This is other people talking like at the OTA's. The only thing Burgess said then was:

SF Chron said:
Burgess and Sapp, arguably the two biggest names on the team, are training on their own and remain in contact with Kiffin. Both attended a mandatory minicamp last month, with Burgess deadpanning "because it's voluntary" when asked why he hadn't attended voluntary functions.
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Training Camp is not voluntary and he will be there.
 
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Jack must have a log book to remember all these threads. :rotf:
 
I just don't get all you people who Al should start re-negotiating contracts mid-term. He hasn't made it a practice in the past, he surely isn't going to start now. He didn't do it with Timmah, Gannon, Marcus, Rod Coleman, C Wood, et al. He surely isn't gonna do it with Burgess. Certainly not 2 years into the deal!

Would we like him to lock these cats (Scrabble) up right now before it gets any more crazy? Yes! But to expect him to is just nuts. Scrabble has the best chance since his deal is up at years end. Burgess stands to make ALOT more if we waits one more year, nuts up to the tune of 50 tackles and 15 sacks and he'll break the friggin bank. To me, 2 years just doesn't convince me he is as great as Peppers, Freeny or the leagues other premier DE's. Age is also a factor. Also, if he holds out and Huntley/Moses blow up, then his value drops because he has missed time and we don't need him.

Point is, sure Burgess has played way above and beyond his current deal. But what else was he gonna get anywhere else after his injury years with Philly? He kinda owes the raiders another year before he bitches about his contract. be the team player he is espoused to be. Al will take care of those who deserve it, he just does it on his own time.
 
I don't even remember starting this thread:bugeye:
 
S and B Executioner said:
I just don't get all you people who Al should start re-negotiating contracts mid-term. He hasn't made it a practice in the past, he surely isn't going to start now. He didn't do it with Timmah, Gannon, Marcus, Rod Coleman, C Wood, et al. He surely isn't gonna do it with Burgess. Certainly not 2 years into the deal!

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We gave 36 year old Rich Gannon more money with plenty of years left on his original deal...

Gannon agrees to pact at last
Gannon extension a done deal -- 6-year contract worth $54 million

Nancy Gay

Tuesday, July 16, 2002

After several weeks of negotiation and deliberation, Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon has agreed to a six-year contract extension that will put him among the NFL's highest-paid quarterbacks.

An NFL source familiar with the negotiations confirmed Monday evening that Gannon has approved the $54-million agreement first drawn up more than a week ago by his Kansas City-based agents, Tom Condon and Ken Kremer.

According to sources, the signing has been delayed because the detail- oriented Gannon wanted to personally examine what should be his final contract as an NFL player.

Gannon, 36, will receive about $16 million in guaranteed bonus money and salary through 2004. Though substantial long-term extensions often mean the waiver wire for highly compensated veterans at some point, Gannon, a 14-year NFL veteran, likely will consider retirement once the guaranteed money is paid the first three seasons.

News of the final agreement first was reported Monday night on USA Today's Web site.

In 2001, Gannon led the Raiders to their second consecutive AFC West title, completing 361 of 549 passes for 3,828 yards, 27 touchdowns and only nine interceptions. His passing rating of 95.5 was second highest in the NFL.

The extension also provides cap relief for the Raiders, who were among the NFL's most productive clubs in the offseason. They signed numerous standout free agents and traded up in April's draft to select two highly rated players, cornerback Philip Buchanon and linebacker Napoleon Harris, in the first round.

With the new deal, Gannon's 2002 cap figure is reduced from the more than $4-million value outlined in his previous contract. That deal, which ran through the 2005 season, was to pay the MVP of the past two Pro Bowls $2 million this season, making him among the lowest-paid starting quarterbacks in the league.

The biggest sticking point for Gannon, though, was the clause that allowed the previous contract to be voided by either side following the 2002 season -- a loophole that threatened his job security.

In protest, Gannon boycotted two of the Raiders' spring minicamps, an act of defiance that emphasized his position and made headlines because of the quarterback's previous dedication to offseason conditioning.

He did attend a mandatory three-day minicamp last month. There, Gannon went out of his way to mend fences with Raiders general partner Al Davis, shaking the boss' hand on the sidelines at the conclusion of one of the workouts. Gannon declined to address his contract situation with reporters.

The Raiders open training camp in Napa on July 25.
 
Here's the whole quote:

Derrick Burgess was present and accounted for, wondering what all the "holdout" talk was about. As the team stretched before practice, Kiffin and defensive coordinator Rob Ryan made their way over to Burgess for a few words.

When asked afterward why he didn't attend the voluntary minicamp, Burgess said dryly, "It was voluntary."
 
Angry Pope said:
We gave 36 year old Rich Gannon more money with plenty of years left on his original deal...

Gannon agrees to pact at last
Gannon extension a done deal -- 6-year contract worth $54 million

Nancy Gay

Tuesday, July 16, 2002


With the new deal, Gannon's 2002 cap figure is reduced from the more than $4-million value outlined in his previous contract. That deal, which ran through the 2005 season, was to pay the MVP of the past two Pro Bowls $2 million this season, making him among the lowest-paid starting quarterbacks in the league.

The biggest sticking point for Gannon, though, was the clause that allowed the previous contract to be voided by either side following the 2002 season -- a loophole that threatened his job security.

In protest, Gannon boycotted two of the Raiders' spring minicamps, an act of defiance that emphasized his position and made headlines because of the quarterback's previous dedication to offseason conditioning.

He did attend a mandatory three-day minicamp last month. There, Gannon went out of his way to mend fences with Raiders general partner Al Davis, shaking the boss' hand on the sidelines at the conclusion of one of the workouts. Gannon declined to address his contract situation with reporters.

The Raiders open training camp in Napa on July 25.
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That was after year 3 of his original deal, and he had to bitch about it. He was also a PRO BOWL MVP. But he didn't get that deal after 2 years of a contract. he signed with the Raiders in the summer of 1999 and got that contract after 3 killer years. Again, Al did it on HIS timing, not Rich's. Again the point is, suck it up DB, and you'll get yours.
 
S and B Executioner said:
That was after year 3 of his original deal, and he had to bitch about it. He was also a PRO BOWL MVP. But he didn't get that deal after 2 years of a contract. he signed with the Raiders in the summer of 1999 and got that contract after 3 killer years. Again, Al did it on HIS timing, not Rich's. Again the point is, suck it up DB, and you'll get yours.
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Rich had three more years to go on his contract. It says that his original contract ran through 2005 which is actually four years left. Rich received a fair market contract in 1999. Rich was 36 and Derrick is not close to that. Rich made some noise and Al paid.

I am not saying that Gannon didn't deserve it but Derrick is going to look at as 16 sacks as a Pro Bowl type year.
 
I forgot we did that for Gannon...


I don't have a real problem with redoing Burgess's contract early ... Even less of one when I recall the years we tried to muster a pass rush out of the likes of DeLawrence Grant, Tony Bryant etc... In fact we have to go way back to the start of Anthony Smith's career to find a DE that has performed the way Burgess has for us... This whole man to man based defense is predicated on us getting a consistent pass rush... Paying Burgess now just seems less risky than relying on anybody on our roster developing into the force he currently is... We haven't exactly successfully drafted DE's lately...
 
Until I hear something straight out of Burgess' mouth... this is all idle chatter from his agent. This whole "Burgess approached the Raiders" bull sht is just that... bull sht. Burgess' agent is the one who approached the Raiders and it's Burgess' agent who isn't happy that he's going to have to wait another 16 games before getting 3% of Burgess' 20 million. Big F'n Deal. I'm over it.
 
I take things from here with a grain of salt...from Nancy Gay....

Don't look for unsigned No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell to be in camp any time soon, but you can expect disgruntled defensive end Derrick Burgess to report to Napa on time Thursday and be on the field Friday. After all, if he holds out, the Raiders can go after the remaining $3 million of his signing bonus on his current five-year contract.

Still, the Raiders' lack of progress in rewarding him with the rich contract extension they promised in the spring will make Burgess a very unhappy camper.
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I'll bet that Russell's deal is already done in principal. They knew what it was going to take to sign him when we drafted him. You gotta love the old man, making the other teams wait for his lead.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
Dump Moss, dump Barry Sims, dump Adam Treu ... there, you have the money to renegotiate with Burgess.
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Simple and right on point. If we don't have 5 guys on this team that can beat out Barry "I've been done for 2 years" Sims, then we're fucked anyway.

Come Al, break the mold and come to an agreement with Burgess.
 
Good news on Derrick...

Key lineman Burgess unhappy with Raiders contract

David White

Thursday, July 26, 2007

(07-26) 10:31 PDT NAPA -- Raiders defensive end Derrick Burgess will report to training camp today, but he's not exactly thrilled about it.

The two-time Pro Bowler is "unhappy" that the Raiders did not renegotiate his contract in the offseason, his agent confirmed Thursday morning, but Burgess does not intend to be a holdout or ask to be traded.

"He likes to play," said his agent, Jimmy Sexton.

Burgess is entering the third year of a five-year, $17.5 million contract he signed as a free agent in March 2005. Since then, he has posted an NFL-best 27 quarterback sacks, including a franchise-record 16 during his first season, and has been the Raiders' lone Pro Bowl selection both years.

According to an NFL source, Burgess and his agent approached the Raiders about redoing his contract based on his first two seasons' body of work. Team officials told them to wait until after the NFL draft and early-May minicamp.

The Raiders never got back to Burgess, so he recontacted them in June. He was told then that team owner Al Davis didn't think it was "good business" to renegotiate contracts with three years remaining on them and that "no one" in the NFL did.

However, Carolina wide receiver Steve Smith received an extended contract in May with three years remaining on his contract, and it's not an unprecedented move.

Burgess' original deal was considered fair when he signed it, considering how his first four seasons went with the Philadelphia Eagles. He missed the 2002 season with a broken foot and missed the 2003 season with a torn Achilles' heel. He started 12 games in 2004 and had 2.5 sacks in the regular season.

Once in Oakland, he has stayed healthy and emerged as one of the league's top defensive ends. Burgess has easily been the most consistent player during Oakland's 6-26 run since 2005. He hoped to be paid accordingly, especially as he watched the market value for pass rushers escalate during the offseason.

The Indianapolis Colts resigned defensive end Dwight Freeney, who has 16.5 sacks the past two seasons, to a six-year, $72 million contract with $30 million in guaranteed money, making him one of the highest-paid defensive players in the NFL.

Earlier this month, the Detroit Lions signed defensive tackle Cory Redding to a seven-year, $49 million extension with $16 million guaranteed.

Last year, New England's Richard Seymour was given a three-year, $28 million contract, making him the highest-paid defensive end in the league at the time.

From the sounds of it, Burgess is going to have to wait awhile before he gets anywhere near that pay scale.

Players must report to camp by 5 p.m. today at the Napa Valley Marriott, where the Raiders will train until Aug. 17.
 
Nice to see a man act like a professional under contract.
 
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