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Adam Schefter is just reporting that Burgess isn't attending any of the voluntary workouts most likely looking to renegotiate his deal after the spending frenzy this offseason.
 
I have no idea what his contract looks like, but does anyone remember if he attended last year?
 
I think it's like 5 year 15 mill, chump change for a pro bowler. He'll Langston Walker is making a lot more. This is what I was worried about with the money being thrown around. I didn't expect him to sit still about it.
 
Burgess deserves a raise.

Thing is Al has to hand out a $67M+ deal with $28M+ to the #1 draft pick and then he has to extend Aso (probably cost us $8M+ per year). I just don't know if Al can afford to pay a 3rd massive contract in one off-season. That would be a lot of money flowing out of his bank account.
 
Banter said:
Burgess deserves a raise.

Thing is Al has to hand out a $67M+ deal with $28M+ to the #1 draft pick and then he has to extend Aso (probably cost us $8M+ per year). I just don't know if Al can afford to pay a 3rd massive contract in one off-season. That would be a lot of money flowing out of his bank account.
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This goes back to the thing we were debating in another thread. I really wonder where Al is getting all this loot. It's a big problem. And rest assured Aso is going to get paid or play somewhere else.
 
Lions waiting to see who will fall to them
By Adam Schefter
National Editor, NFL.com

(April 12, 2007) -- Before Oakland and Detroit square off in their Sept. 9 regular-season opener, they will be matched up a bit differently on April 28, when the Raiders are scheduled to pick first and the Lions second.

Around the league, the prevailing thought is that Raiders owner Al Davis wants to draft LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, and Oakland's coaching staff would prefer to go with a different sure-fire stud player.

Oakland's offensive coordinator Greg Knapp battled to develop former No. 1 overall pick Michael Vick, and he could be faced with a similar challenge in Russell. But ultimately, none of Oakland's coaches, including new head coach Lane Kiffin, is expected to have the final and most important vote on the pick.

Ultimately and obviously, the decision belongs to Davis, who has had it since 1963, the year he was named head coach and general manager.

Should Davis prevail -- and it's almost always a smart idea to guess he will -- then Detroit would be left looking at Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson, Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas and Clemson defensive end Gaines Adams.


After finishing 28th in total defense, Detroit's best choice for immediate help might be Gaines Adams.
The Lions already are doing their due diligence. Johnson visited the Lions this week, and the activity will intensify next week.

Quinn is scheduled to visit with the Lions on April 18, Thomas will follow him up on April 19, and Adams will visit at some point.

Adams is thought to be the player the Lions are most enamored of and the player who just might fill their greatest need. Detroit believes it needs a defensive end more than it needs a quarterback and an offensive tackle.

But it also is going to be hard for the Lions to pass up a potential franchise quarterback or left tackle who could keep him upright for the next dozen years.

VOLUNTARY HOLDOUT
It now can be confirmed. Pro Bowl defensive end Derrick Burgess did not report to the Raiders' voluntary organized team activities because he does not have the contract he wants.

Over the past two seasons, no NFL player has had more sacks than Burgess, who has rung up 27 -- 1½ more than Miami's Jason Taylor, 3½ more than Carolina's Julius Peppers, 4½ more than St. Louis' Leonard Little.

Yet Burgess is still playing under the five-year, $15 million contract he signed with Oakland, which is less in total value than the

$19.5 million in guaranteed money the Seattle Seahawks gave defensive end Patrick Kerney on a six-year, $39.5 million deal. When Kerney's guaranteed money exceeds Burgess' total money, there is a discrepancy the Oakland defensive end feels needs to be addressed.


Derrick Burgess has been playing like an all-star. Now he wants to get paid like one.
While Kerney's contract numbers dwarf Burgess' off the field, Burgess' dwarf Kerney's on the field.

During the past two seasons, Burgess has had 16 more sacks than Kerney and now he is hoping to be rewarded for it. Until he is, he might not report back to the Raiders, though it doesn't sound as though Burgess has made any long-term decisions yet about how to handle the situation and potential holdout.

But this is just another slice of fallout from the big money showered on some of the NFL's players this offseason.

While players such as Kerney and cornerback Nate Clements cashed in, other players such as Burgess and cornerback Asante Samuel got ticked off.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10123609
 
If Al can't afford to keep up with the Jones' spending wise, it's in the organizations best interest that he partner up with someone alot more liquid than he is... Fat chance that happens though... For as much as I love this team, we're still pretty much a beta tape in a DVD world when it comes to alot of things...


We all knew this was coming... I don't like holdouts, but this is someone that has certainly outperformed his contract and is integral in the success of our defense... Tear that contract up and show players that if they play to an elite level, the organization will be fair with rewarding them...


If Al can swing it, it would be a good time to be proactive like the Eagles and start locking up some of the young studs long term...
 
Why does everyone want to dump Adam Treu? I like the guy. He's a good long snapper, a pretty decent backup center, and has never been anything but a good soldier. The guy's a damned good Raider!

As for Burgess.... eh, it ain't my money.
 
We can give him a bump in pay, and still have a deal on our hands, because he has very little leverage.

He can't get Freeney-type money, he still has three years left on the deal, so if the Raiders give him a modest-to-decent bump, it'll be out of the goodness of their heart.

I am not concerned about this, he'll get some more money.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
Dump Moss, dump Barry Sims, dump Adam Treu ... there, you have the money to renegotiate with Burgess.
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Yet another reason I'm still pissed off about resigning/not-dumping Sims, Jordan, Moss. We could have (maybe still can, dunno now with the bonuses and restructuring) used the money saved from jettisoning these guys for more talented people at less money. AND, used the surplus to bump up Aso and Burgess.

Meh.

:mad:

And, I know we've already rehashed it a million times.. but there's just no way we have the liquidity to pay for three huge signing bonuses this offseason, and we can't avoid the #1 pick, so.. Aso and Burgess will probably have to wait or accept at least a peace offering in the meanwhile until we can try to take care of them next year.
 
Honestly, the whole "liquidity" question makes me chuckle. It reminds me of everyone saying after the Gruden trade that we'd never be able to afford four first round draft picks in two years.

I don't know what the old pirate has in his treasure chest... but I've got faith in him not to let dollar bills fuck everything up for the Raiders.

"Just win, baby".... not... "Are you sure we can't claim that as a deduction, baby"...
 
The difference being #1 overall versus, not. The average signing bonus for players in the first round is around $3M or so, but the signing bonus for the #1 overall is upwards of $25-35M. There is a significant drop off from #1 overall to the next couple of picks. Plus, the bonus is highest when the selection is a QB.
 
TheNextStep said:
Honestly, the whole "liquidity" question makes me chuckle.
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I think it's a realistic roadblock... No doubt that Al could walk into a stripclub and make it rain, but our operating income is generally at $50-80 million below the league average for a reason... and let's not forget that it's been said that Al had to borrow against his majority interest in order to buy out the McGah interest in that settlement last year... I don't know if he has found any takers on that no real power/31% minority interest he was recently trying to sell, but that payout to the McGah heirs was said to be between 200 and 300 million... I'm sure he has the ability to pay out the bonuses to the #1 pick, Burgess, Aso and whatever else needs to be done financially this year, but I'm not so sure he's not feeling a little squeezed... It's not like he can rely on stadium revenue or anything...


That said, I don't think Al is a bottomline guy when it comes to the Raiders, I think he'll put up whatever monies he feels is necessary to win, even if most financial analysts would find it fiscally irresponsible... The new collective agreement and subsequent rises in payroll couldn't have come at a worse time for AL IMO...
 
Al always spends his cap money. Its just signing the #1 overall pick and extending Aso and paying Burgess market value would probably mean at least $50M+ flowing out of Al's pocket this year and into the above guys pockets. I just don't think Al has the cash on hand to do that. We basically sat out free agency the past 2 years and I think its mainly because we don't have the cash to pay the big upfront signing bonus money.
 
BURGESS WANTS MORE BUCKS

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the absence of Raiders defensive end Derrick Burgess from the first minicamp of the 2007 offseason is directly connected to his displeasure with his contract.

And that's directly connected to the huge paydays that have been given in the past six weeks to lesser players.

Burgess has more sacks than any other NFL player over the past two seasons. But under the contract he signed two years ago as an unrestricted free agent, Burgess is due to earn $1.5 million in salary in 2007, $2 million in 2008, and $2 million in 2009.

On one hand, it would be easy to say that Burgess should honor the contract that his agent, Jimmy Sexton, presented to him. On the other hand, the unprecedented increases in the salary cap triggered by subsequent CBA adjustments have resulted in other players with objectively lesser credentials getting paid much more money.

Schefter, for example, points to defensive end Patrick Kerney, who received $19 million in guaranteed money last month from the Seahawks.

Then again, defensive end Grant Wistrom got $14 million in guaranteed money from the Seahawks a year before Burgess got his $15 million over five.

The real problem here is that Burgess has outperformed his contract. He had 8.5 sacks in four seasons with the Eagles, and based on those numbers both Sexton and the Raiders surely concluded that $15 million over five was a fair approximation of his value moving forward. But Burgess has exploded in the two seasons since, with 27 total sacks.

It would be easy to criticize Sexton for not inserting triggers into the deal aimed at pumping up the money based on performance. But the reality is that Sexton likely got the best deal he could given the four-year track record that Burgess had established in Philly.

And Sexton and Burgess could have insisted on a shorter-term deal, but the player usually wants to maximize the available signing bonus, and that usually requires the team to tack more years onto the deal so that the cap hit can be properly spread out over multiple seasons.

So while the Raiders are fully within their rights to say "a contract is a contract," it makes far more sense to recognize great performance and encourage more of it by giving him a more fair piece of the pie.

Where would the money come from? Well, there's another guy they picked up two years ago who has been a complete bust to date, and who is due to make $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. Once he is traded or released, much of that money can and should be given to Burgess.

per pft
 
Turo said:
And, I know we've already rehashed it a million times.. but there's just no way we have the liquidity to pay for three huge signing bonuses this offseason, and we can't avoid the #1 pick, so.. Aso and Burgess will probably have to wait or accept at least a peace offering in the meanwhile until we can try to take care of them next year.
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The Raiders can’t afford to draft a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick. Sound familiar? It should, because I wrote that two months ago, before all the draft speculation got into high gear.


The Raiders are bringing in Brady Quinn and JaMarcus Russell for interviews and workouts. Possibly one of them, most likely Russell, will show so much ability and charisma that they’ll draft him.

But that’s not likely because of their money problems. A quarterback at No. 1 would mean a contract similar to what the 49ers gave Alex Smith two years ago — in the $50 million range. That’s much too rich for the Raiders, a team at the bottom of the NFL in revenue.

So, the Raiders seem ready to pick wide receiver Calvin Johnson with that selection. They’re talking to Detroit about a trade for journeyman quarterback Josh McCown. They’re thinking of drafting Stanford quarterback Trent Edwards. They had hoped he’d be available in the third round, but Edwards has risen on the draft charts because of his impressive workouts with teams. So, the Raiders might have to use their second-round pick to get him.

None of this makes much sense from a pure football standpoint, especially taking a wide receiver at No. 1 overall. A wide receiver can’t dominate because even the best need a good quarterback. Ask Gene Washington, who appeared on his way to a Hall of Fame career with the 49ers when John Brodie was the quarterback, but fell into the bin of might-have-beens with the sad group of quarterbacks that followed after Brodie retired.

NFL teams know this. In the last 25 years, only two wide receivers have been selected first: Keyshawn Johnson and Irving Fryar. No busts are being prepared for them at the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

But Calvin Johnson’s deal would probably be about half what it would take to sign a quarterback picked at No. 1 overall.

Throwing McCown and Edwards into the quarterback mix could lead to a real mess.

The Raiders still like Andrew Walter, who was put in an impossible situation last year behind a very porous offensive line. But new coach Lane Kiffin, who reminds his players of Jon Gruden — after Tuesday’s practice at minicamp, Jerry Porter said he got “shivers” hearing Kiffin because it brought back Gruden memories — is also trying to install a Gruden-like offense. That requires a quarterback who can move well, which does not describe Walter, McCown or Edwards.

Walter, especially, is a classic dropback passer. Kiffin had him rolling out and trying to throw on the run in minicamp workouts. Cover your eyes.

McCown has limited mobility, too. Edwards has more mobility than the other two — he had to move playing behind the Stanford offensive line, which was the collegiate equivalent of the Raiders — but he’s better suited to dropping back.

So, the Raiders are trying to install an offense ill-suited to the quarterbacks who would run it with a coaching staff that, except for offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, has almost no NFL experience. Not good news, especially with a tough schedule ahead next season.

But the combined contracts of Walter, McCown and Edwards wouldn’t come close to what Quinn or Russell could command.

In Raider-land these days, it all comes down to money. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

http://www.examiner.com/a-671822~Raiders_handcuffed_to_awkward_situation.html
 
Dickey doesn't know what the he's talking about. Its absurd that Calvin would cost half that of Quinn or Russell. Mario got a 6-year $62M deal last year. Any non-QB drafted #1 overall can expect to get that PLUS 7 or 8% more. QBs make a little bit more so add maybe 10 to 12% to what Mario got if its Russell or Quinn.
 
hawaiianboy said:
I think it's a realistic roadblock... No doubt that Al could walk into a stripclub and make it rain, but our operating income is generally at $50-80 million below the league average for a reason... and let's not forget that it's been said that Al had to borrow against his majority interest in order to buy out the McGah interest in that settlement last year... I don't know if he has found any takers on that no real power/31% minority interest he was recently trying to sell, but that payout to the McGah heirs was said to be between 200 and 300 million... I'm sure he has the ability to pay out the bonuses to the #1 pick, Burgess, Aso and whatever else needs to be done financially this year, but I'm not so sure he's not feeling a little squeezed... It's not like he can rely on stadium revenue or anything...


That said, I don't think Al is a bottomline guy when it comes to the Raiders, I think he'll put up whatever monies he feels is necessary to win, even if most financial analysts would find it fiscally irresponsible... The new collective agreement and subsequent rises in payroll couldn't have come at a worse time for AL IMO...
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Didn't they just pass the team revenue sharing rule/act this year? How does that help us out?
 
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