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Desert Rat said:

QB's have always been at a premium.​

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The Eli Manning-Philip Rivers Swap​

  • Giants acquired: QB Eli Manning (No. 1 overall pick)
  • Chargers acquired: QB Philip Rivers (No. 4 overall pick), 2004 third-round pick (No. 65), 2005 first-round pick, 2005 third-round pick
York Giants received: Fran Tarkenton

Minnesota Vikings received: 1968 No. 1 pick (Ron Yary), 1967 first-round pick (No. 2, Clint Jones), 1967 second-round pick (No. 28., Bob Grim) and 1969 second-round pick (No. 39, Ed White)


Indianapolis Colts received: 1990 No. 1 pick (Jeff George) and 1990 fourth-round pick (No. 83, Stacey Simmons)

Atlanta Falcons received: Chris Hinton, Andre Rison, 1990 fifth-round pick (No. 121, Reggie Redding) and 1991 first round pick (No. 13, Mike Pritchard)
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I don't think they always were. I think that just started the last 25/30 years. Teams were less likely to take a chance for some guy who could just throw it far without the other stuff on paper to back it up. Teams wouldn't even take these players who played in these college gimmick offenses early in the draft, and now everyone does.
 
Darkenblot said:
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I had to state it to clarify my post, you clod.
 
Handicapper General said:
It still astounds me that the Fins didn't take Ryan. They had nothing at QB. Beck a 2nd rounder who looked awful, Josh McCown. That's it.

Just furthers my point though about the times have changed.
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Parcells was running their team, and he had won a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler and Phil Simms, who was an adequate NFL starter. Good example of a guy who was wed to the old ways of team building, so no surprise he took a lineman and an RB with his first two picks.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
I don't think it was a deterrent though as the league became more QB centric. I think that's what drove it was the rise of the QB-centered teams and not the rookie salary cap. It was always an outlier after 2000 when they didn't go number one like Geno's draft wehn he dropped and the Chefs took Eric Fisher instead. Even that year with Ice, that was a product of the organization who had those two top picks and their football czar Parcells' antiquated thinking more than that Jake Long or Ronnie Brown were more highly thought of than Ice.
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I don't think the 2024 run on QBs happens in a 2006 environment.

The rookie scale absolutely changed the dynamics.
 
Since 1998, only six drafts didn't have QBs at the top, and the only reason 2000 didn't have one was because Cleveland had the number one pick again as the new expansion franchise who had taken Tim Couch the year before. Imo, the change in the league's emphasis on QB play drove it more than the rookie salary cap.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
I don't think they always were. I think that just started the last 25/30 years. Teams were less likely to take a chance for some guy who could just throw it far without the other stuff on paper to back it up. Teams wouldn't even take these players who played in these college gimmick offenses early in the draft, and now everyone does.
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I don't think the college ranks are producing QB's that are NFL ready, so a lot of teams aren't happy with what they have.
A bunch of late bloomers are going to be more of the norm taking longer to develop because they didn't learn a thing in college.
 
Darkenblot said:
I don't think the 2024 run on QBs happens in a 2006 environment.

The rookie scale absolutely changed the dynamics.
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I do. Teams are reaching on QBs wherever they can find one because you're basically dead in the water without one in the 2026 NFL. The rookie cap just makes the mistakes less fatal. JP Lohsman went in the first round before the salary cap. Patrick Ramsey. Heath Shuler. Akili Smith. By the end of the 2010s, it was consensus thinking that you couldn't compete without a QB; whereas I don't think that was consensus thinking before then. It's why a Parcells passes on a Matt Ryan twice with hot garbage on his roster at QB, but a Thomas Dimitroff drafts him there despite some thinking it was too high. He had just gotten from New England where the QB set the tone in the whole building, and more decision makers starting thinking this way by then.
 
Desert Rat said:
I don't think the college ranks are producing QB's that are NFL ready, so a lot of teams aren't happy with what they have.
A bunch of late bloomers are going to be more of the norm taking longer to develop because they didn't learn a thing in college.
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I don't think they ever were. I heard an OC say that the so called college pro style offenses were akin to learning pre-Algebra versus advanced engineering math concepts and that was always overblown. Imo, what has suffered most in the college ranks is offensive line play, which affects everything else, most primarily the passing game.
 
I mean who are the great LTs in the league. You used to automatically name those guys off the top of your head back in the day. I got Trent Wiliams, who is like 80, and who else? None of the other best teams have a great LT these days. Dion Dawkins is very good, but I don't think of him like those top elite guys of the past like an Orlando pace or some shit. Chefs won three SBs with turnstyles at LT.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
I mean who are the great LTs in the league. You used to automatically name those guys off the top of your head back in the day. I got Trent Wiliams, who is like 80, and who else? None of the other best teams have a great LT these days. Dion Dawkins is very good, but I don't think of him like those top elite guys of the past like an Orlando pace or some shit. Chefs won three SBs with turnstyles at LT.
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Maybe Alt, but you're right, who are the premier LTs?
 
Darkenblot said:
The difference for QBs today exists in how rookie contracts are structured.

Back then, it constituted a heavy and franchise-damaging expense to swing and miss on a first round QB.

Place today's salary structure in those days and teams would have behaved differently.
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Jamarcus was the reason they decided to structure player salaries! Another bit of Raider history...lol
 
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