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Crow said:
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Happy 18th birthday to the overhead projector press conference for those who celebrate! Here's a thread of 10 memorable Al Davis quotes that day in 2008 when he fired Lane Kiffin: On Kiffin: "I think he conned me. I think he conned all you people."
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worth the read for all the Al quotes. One of a kind he was.
 
Crow said:
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Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) on X

Happy 18th birthday to the overhead projector press conference for those who celebrate! Here's a thread of 10 memorable Al Davis quotes that day in 2008 when he fired Lane Kiffin: On Kiffin: "I think he conned me. I think he conned all you people."
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Al was right about everything to do with Kiffin.
 
DORINTORN46 said:
All true, but part of Al's rant during the firing was a pretty stubborn defense of the JaMarcus draft pick.
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As much as I hated the player, everyone agrees you take the swing on the QB when you have the pick. The only other alternative there is Quinn, who it was said Kiffin was pushing for at one time before his ten years later recollection that he wanted Calvin Johnson, which makes no sense since we had Randy Moss at that time leading up to it. You can even go back to articles around that time of us negotiating with Tom Condon for Quinn like teams used to do to get the first pick signed before the draft. People hated Al so much that didn't see what was what.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
As much as I hated the player, everyone agrees you take the swing on the QB when you have the pick. The only other alternative there is Quinn, who it was said Kiffin was pushing for at one time before his ten years later recollection that he wanted Calvin Johnson, which makes no sense since we had Randy Moss at that time leading up to it. You can even go back to articles around that time of us negotiating with Tom Condon for Quinn like teams used to do to get the first pick signed before the draft. People hated Al so much that didn't see what was what.
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Back then? No. It wasn't a full QB league yet and contracts were batshit. @Crow and I knew.
 
Handicapper General said:
Back then? No. It wasn't a full QB league yet and contracts were batshit. @Crow and I knew.
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In 2007? You had Brady and Manning running not only the league but our conference. Definitely people were saying take a QB if you don't have one, and we didn't have one. I was with you guys because my big idea was trade for Leftwich and take Peterson. It's like if 15 years from now Mendoza is a bust and some of those pass rushers are all-time greats, it still doesn't mean it was the wrong choice because you have to take the swing as @007 always says.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
In 2007? You had Brady and Manning running not only the league but our conference. Definitely people were saying take a QB if you don't have one, and we didn't have one. I was with you guys because my big idea was trade for Leftwich and take Peterson. It's like if 15 years from now Mendoza is a bust and some of those pass rushers are all-time greats, it still doesn't mean it was the wrong choice because you have to take the swing as @007 always says.
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You weren't seeing guys get rocketed up the board yet, still having non-QBs go #1. Like Ryan the next year went #3. No way he'd be 3 in this current climate.
 
Handicapper General said:
You weren't seeing guys get rocketed up the board yet, still having non-QBs go #1. Like Ryan the next year went #3. No way he'd be 3 in this current climate.
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Jamarcus didn't rocket up the board though. He was big, with a big arm, and he played in a pro style offense. He was the consensus number one before that draft, especially after the combine. The only question was about how fat he was. You had draft nicks comparing him to Elway. I thought it was all absurd because I wasn't a fan, but all of this was the banter at the time. Played for Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher at OC, so he had hard coaching, and he playd well against SEC defenses, which was touted at the time as some huge asset.

And you're wrong about Ice. He had a great career at Boston College. He was no different than Phillip Rivers and Donnavon McNabb a few years before that. Guys who had great college careers that had great interviews and tested well at the combine and new regimes fell in love with. This wasn't a case where you had QBs who didn't fit the physical profile like a Bryce Young or guys who didn't appear to be first round picks jumping up the board based on nothing but physical traits like an Anthony Richardson.
 
The difference for QBs today exists in how rookie contracts are structured.

Back then, it constituted a heavy and franchise-damaging expense to swing and miss on a first round QB.

Place today's salary structure in those days and teams would have behaved differently.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
Jamarcus didn't rocket up the board though. He was big, with a big arm, and he played in a pro style offense. He was the consensus number one before that draft, especially after the combine. The only question was about how fat he was. You had draft nicks comparing him to Elway. I thought it was all absurd because I wasn't a fan, but all of this was the banter at the time. Played for Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher at OC, so he had hard coaching, and he playd well against SEC defenses, which was touted at the time as some huge asset.

And you're wrong about Ice. He had a great career at Boston College. He was no different than Phillip Rivers and Donnavon McNabb a few years before that. Guys who had great college careers that had great interviews and tested well at the combine and new regimes fell in love with. This wasn't a case where you had QBs who didn't fit the physical profile like a Bryce Young or guys who didn't appear to be first round picks jumping up the board based on nothing but physical traits like an Anthony Richardson.
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I'm not sure you understood my post.
 
Let me rephrase it:

In today's climate someone trades up for #1 to draft Ryan. He doesn't fall to 3.

In today's climate, you have teams falling over each other to draft QBs. That wasn't happening back then.

I think roughly around the rookie scale a few years later is when teams started going nuts on QBs.

Back then you still had basic logic, that teams needing QBs took QBs, like the Raiders did obviously, but it wasn't like it is now.
 
Handicapper General said:
Let me rephrase it:

In today's climate someone trades up for #1 to draft Ryan. He doesn't fall to 3.

In today's climate, you have teams falling over each other to draft QBs. That wasn't happening back then.

I think roughly around the rookie scale a few years later is when teams started going nuts on QBs.

Back then you still had basic logic, that teams needing QBs took QBs, like the Raiders did obviously, but it wasn't like it is now.
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Okay. Got you. I do think we got offers for the pick, but I'm not sure if it was for to draft him.
 

QB's have always been at a premium.​

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The Eli Manning-Philip Rivers Swap​

  • Giants acquired: QB Eli Manning (No. 1 overall pick)
  • Chargers acquired: QB Philip Rivers (No. 4 overall pick), 2004 third-round pick (No. 65), 2005 first-round pick, 2005 third-round pick
York Giants received: Fran Tarkenton

Minnesota Vikings received: 1968 No. 1 pick (Ron Yary), 1967 first-round pick (No. 2, Clint Jones), 1967 second-round pick (No. 28., Bob Grim) and 1969 second-round pick (No. 39, Ed White)


Indianapolis Colts received: 1990 No. 1 pick (Jeff George) and 1990 fourth-round pick (No. 83, Stacey Simmons)

Atlanta Falcons received: Chris Hinton, Andre Rison, 1990 fifth-round pick (No. 121, Reggie Redding) and 1991 first round pick (No. 13, Mike Pritchard)
 
Handicapper General said:
Let me rephrase it:

In today's climate someone trades up for #1 to draft Ryan. He doesn't fall to 3.

In today's climate, you have teams falling over each other to draft QBs. That wasn't happening back then.

I think roughly around the rookie scale a few years later is when teams started going nuts on QBs.

Back then you still had basic logic, that teams needing QBs took QBs, like the Raiders did obviously, but it wasn't like it is now.
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Darkenblot said:
The difference for QBs today exists in how rookie contracts are structured.

Back then, it constituted a heavy and franchise-damaging expense to swing and miss on a first round QB.

Place today's salary structure in those days and teams would have behaved differently.
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I don't think it was a deterrent though as the league became more QB centric. I think that's what drove it was the rise of the QB-centered teams and not the rookie salary cap. It was always an outlier after 2000 when they didn't go number one like Geno's draft wehn he dropped and the Chefs took Eric Fisher instead. Even that year with Ice, that was a product of the organization who had those two top picks and their football czar Parcells' antiquated thinking more than that Jake Long or Ronnie Brown were more highly thought of than Ice.
 
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