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massraider said:
The Chargers are in the first year with Rivers at the helm. Seem to be doing alright.

The quick fix mentality has to stop. Partly because it isn't working, and partly because it ain't true anymore.
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The Dolts obviously knew what they were doing when they let Brees walk. In all fairness, Brees couldn't have walked into a better situation. LT, Gates and a pretty damn good OL plus a top ten defense. As much as I hate to give Marty credit, he's done a wonderful job of bringing him along. I could name at least a half dozen young qb's who've had enjoyed similar success, even AW.
 
Langlier said:
Steinbach will be a raider... call it a feeling in my bones

beyond him... ive no clue.
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I hope that is our first splash the second FA officially begins. Much like LaMont Jordan 2 years ago. We could then let Boothe & McQuistan battle for the other OG slot with the "loser" providing solid depth.

Determine our long term plan with Robert Gallery (LT versus RT) and we should sign & draft an OT. I'm also with those that want to chase John Runyan. He would take the RT job from Day-1, provide a steady veteran influence (not to mention toughness), and Gallery/Slaughter fight for the other job.

That leaves Center.....
 
massraider said:
The Chargers are in the first year with Rivers at the helm. Seem to be doing alright.

The quick fix mentality has to stop. Partly because it isn't working, and partly because it ain't true anymore.
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He sat for TWO years. Are we prepared to do that or would you rather have AP or CJ start this season.
 
BigTron said:
He sat for TWO years. Are we prepared to do that or would you rather have AP or CJ start this season.
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If the Raiders did draft Quinn (which I doubt anyway), he wouldn't be sitting for 2 years. The Chargers had the luxury of starting Drew Brees. I see nothing wrong with having 2 potential starters at QB on the roster. Not at all. Depth, trade bait, etc.

All that being said, Calvin Johnson is the least flawed player, or so it would appear.
 
If he didnt sit, he would get put on his ass by every defense we play. At least until we do anything to show otherwise, thats what i am assuming. If we sign some FA's and a new OC then maybe i will change my mind. But as of right now Peyton Manning would get killed behind our line. How many sacks did we give up this year. We need to rebuild the O-Line BEFORE the draft or forget taking a QB. If it were Vince Young or someone who can scramble very well, i wouldnt feel this way.
 
The Michigan game is all the proof you need. They couldnt get any pressure on Booty this weekend. But they made BQ look like a dollar menu item at BK. Not the same O-Line/Game etc. but none the less. He needs to LACE LSU up before I jump on his wagon.
 
So giving Rivers 2 years to learn one scheme, and Walter a pre-season to learn one is not comparing apples to apples. Walter would have done similarly to Rivers in a similar situation. I have no doubt about it. That situation is ideal for a young QB. Now we want to change streams again? Does anyone wonder why we go the veteran QB route? Change is not good for a young QB.
 
Rupert said:
So giving Rivers 2 years to learn one scheme, and Walter a pre-season to learn one is not comparing apples to apples. Walter would have done similarly to Rivers in a similar situation. I have no doubt about it. That situation is ideal for a young QB. Now we want to change streams again? Does anyone wonder why we go the veteran QB route? Change is not good for a young QB.
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I have to agree with this. Everyone is so down on AW but if he had the talent surrounding him and the coaching staff that Rivers has, I think he'd be just as productive. I don't think it's too late for AW but he definitely needs someone to mentor him. My opinion, FWIW, is to bring in a decent veteran and have AW back him up and work him into the rotation gradually. He was basically thrown to the wolves with virtually no support. His psyche has to be shot.
 
The thing about Rivers is that he's got the best RB in the league (possibly ever, but we have to wait to see on that), the best TE, a solid Oline and a great defense to bail him out. Walter had Curry and Fargas for the offense and that wasn't even until the 2nd half of the season and Brooks came back at that point. Walter had a good defense, but they were constantly tired out after sitting down for a minute and back on the field.
 
Personally, I'd be willing to go with Walter next year as long as we solidified the line and changed out a couple of the duds for actual weapons at the pass catching positions.

While my preference is for AP, there's a more than solid case for CJ making an instant impact. I think we're thinnner at WR than at RB. Not that our RB's are all world, but behind more consistent blocking, they'd be more than adequate. Franchise backs don't come around every season, but neither do franchise WR's. Given the choice, I'd go franchise RB, but in our position the WR might have more immediate impact. The QB would just put us in a holding pattern.
 
BigTron said:
He sat for TWO years. Are we prepared to do that or would you rather have AP or CJ start this season.
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How about: Would I rather have a franchise QB or a franchise WR in two years?

Everyone seems to agree that we are going nowhere until we get the line fixed, so why should I be willing to pass up a franchise QB because we can get CJ or AP on the field next September?
 
massraider said:
How about: Would I rather have a franchise QB or a franchise WR in two years?

Everyone seems to agree that we are going nowhere until we get the line fixed, so why should I be willing to pass up a franchise QB because we can get CJ or AP on the field next September?
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Isn't it about time that the Raiders take a shot at a franchise QB? I mean we went the "safe" route with Gallery and got nothing. What's the big deal to take a gamble? If it pays off we're golden. Risk/reward.
 
CrossBones said:
Isn't it about time that the Raiders take a shot at a franchise QB?
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Kind of what I'm thinking. Now, if people want to convince me that Quinn/Russell won't be a franchise QB, I'm willing to listen. I don't scout these guys.

But we need to put to bed this notion that we need to wait around until 2009 for them to develop. How many times does it need to be proven that young guys can win as well? Brady, Roeth, Rivers.............
 
We're paying for our past sins IMO. We passed on Roethlisberger, Lienart and Cutler. Had we drafted any of those guys we'd be ahead of the game and be talking about adding CJ or AP/Lynch to our offensive arsenal AND our QB of the future would have had 1-2 years of learning under his belt. Instead we're stuck on this QB thing again. I'm not a Walter fan. He's stiff as far as I can see. Dude didn't make a single play all year. Don't know how many times I have to say that. You can't tell me a potential star QB wouldn't have made a few plays this year. I don't care how bad our OL was. The guy doesn't have "It" as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to hitch my wagon to that dude.

I'll admit I'm torn between Perterson, Johnson and Quinn. But let's face it no matter who we draft the possibility is pretty good we'll be drafting in the top 10 again next year. I don't want to be saying I wish we would have taken the QB...running backs are easier to come by. We're not going to be picking #1 again I don't think. How about we take Quinn and hope we can get McFadden next year. Sounds good to me...

Frankly I wish we had taken Leinart instead of Huff. Nothing against Huff but we'd just be in a better situation right now if we had our QB.
 
The game hasn't even started, but JaMarcus Russell makes waaay too much sense. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was our guy, unless of course he plays like absolute shit tonight. He should be able to go off on that defense, though.
 
If Quinn can play big in this big game I could change my mind. But that Michigan game haunts me, he looked shook.
 
massraider said:
How about: Would I rather have a franchise QB or a franchise WR in two years?

Everyone seems to agree that we are going nowhere until we get the line fixed, so why should I be willing to pass up a franchise QB because we can get CJ or AP on the field next September?
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Simple, because Calvin Johnson has "super star athlete" quality and it's very debateable if Brady Quinn does. Everything being equal, I'd say go for Quinn, but just from what I've read, etc. Johnson is regarded as a special athlete while Quinn has as many detractors as supporters.
 
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