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Make it 28% and you have a deal, Dog.
Al is at it again!!! Kiff is pissed!
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Make it 28% and you have a deal, Dog.
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WTH? If you're gonna go gansta, at least enunciate it correctly, Dawg.
This rumor was stupid from the beginning. Granted, when I read Moses was cut, I kept thinking to myself, "This has to be a mistake." I couldn't wrap my head around it at ALL, and the thought crossed my mind that it had to be a colossal screwup.
And then the voice of reason set in and said, "Even the Raiders couldn't screw up this badly."
I still don't particularly like the cut, but what's done is done.
This rumor was stupid from the beginning. Granted, when I read Moses was cut, I kept thinking to myself, "This has to be a mistake." I couldn't wrap my head around it at ALL, and the thought crossed my mind that it had to be a colossal screwup.
And then the voice of reason set in and said, "Even the Raiders couldn't screw up this badly."
I still don't particularly like the cut, but what's done is done.
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I'd say you couldnt get much similiar in Clemons and Moses.
And Clemons looked better, is a 2 year vet, and is only a year older.
Again, it sucks we wasted a pick, but I trust Rob Ryan enough to think that if he has a feeling Clemons is the better player...So be it.
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Pffttt... That's just the way the American Idol crowd have bastardized it... Back in the day when I wasn't busy working abs with LL Cool J, I used to hang at the corner and spit lyrics with Ice Cube, Kurtis Blow and the boys from RunDMC, and we used the term 'dog'... George Clinton song is called Atomic Dog, not Dawg... Now you wouldn't dare doubt George Clinton, would you?...
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I have a hard time believing the last guy to see the list would have been a 22 year old intern, and that Ryan, Kiffin and all the other coaches werent in the room discussion who to keep etc. and just forgot about double checking the list.
Absolute bunk, IMO.
PFT at its finest (All due respect to SoCal the PFT nuthugger)
Absolute bunk, IMO.
PFT at its finest (All due respect to SoCal the PFT nuthugger)
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We should have some tangible stuff to argue about at this time next Monday.
Let's hope we're wondering why they pulled Higgins from punt return duty after the first two returns for TD's.
Good luck to coach Kiffin.
Let's hope we're wondering why they pulled Higgins from punt return duty after the first two returns for TD's.
Good luck to coach Kiffin.
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PFT was the site that actually denied the rumor. Way to look at the whole picture
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PFT was the site that actually denied the rumor. Way to look at the whole picture
Sorry SoCal.
Those guys are always so accurate, that I shouldnt assume they would post crap like that...
My bad.
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When there's smoke... there's fire... Now PFT and SI (Peter King) and SoCalRaider and Ex are thinkin Al got involved... but we are obviously a bunch of rumor mongers looking to make Al and the Raiders look bad.
Let's just follow the 007 method of reasoning instead:
(1) Moses really did get outplayed by _____________ (insert whatever goon you like).
(2) Grab a beer and shotgun it.
(3) Memorize every sentence of the Kiffin interview on Raiders.com as if it's more sacred than The Bible
Repeat 25 times...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/09/02/tucker/5.html
e. Something stinks in Oakland. The Raiders released third-round defensive end Quentin Moses. When I was in Raiders camp, there was talk of him starting this year. Smells like a disagreement between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin over the final roster. To me, it's a terrible mistake. Moses will play, and play well, in the NFL, and the Raiders will be embarrassed over this. The Cardinals claimed him. I bet he'll be starting for the Cardinals by Oct. 1. What a dumb cut that was.
Let's just follow the 007 method of reasoning instead:
(1) Moses really did get outplayed by _____________ (insert whatever goon you like).
(2) Grab a beer and shotgun it.
(3) Memorize every sentence of the Kiffin interview on Raiders.com as if it's more sacred than The Bible
Repeat 25 times...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/09/02/tucker/5.html
e. Something stinks in Oakland. The Raiders released third-round defensive end Quentin Moses. When I was in Raiders camp, there was talk of him starting this year. Smells like a disagreement between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin over the final roster. To me, it's a terrible mistake. Moses will play, and play well, in the NFL, and the Raiders will be embarrassed over this. The Cardinals claimed him. I bet he'll be starting for the Cardinals by Oct. 1. What a dumb cut that was.
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1) He did get ouplayed.
2) Do you really think Rob Ryan, Keith Millard, and Lane Kiffin wouldnt take an extra look at the final cut list before submitting it? Seriously?
A guy that called players like Chris Morris and Duane Starks to inform them they have made the team, then forgets to erase Quinten Moses off of the list? You don't think there was full input and a room full of coaches making the decisions?
Dont be ridiculous.
Believe what you want to believe. I tend to take the side of our coach over PFT.
2) Do you really think Rob Ryan, Keith Millard, and Lane Kiffin wouldnt take an extra look at the final cut list before submitting it? Seriously?
A guy that called players like Chris Morris and Duane Starks to inform them they have made the team, then forgets to erase Quinten Moses off of the list? You don't think there was full input and a room full of coaches making the decisions?
Dont be ridiculous.
Believe what you want to believe. I tend to take the side of our coach over PFT.
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I just think its weird that Q. Moses got cut because if any of you watched the video of that Raider celebration or whatever we had (I think thats what the footage was from)...either way...Rob Ryan said "Oh yeah & dont forget Q. Moses...who we got in the 3rd round who we all know is gonna be great...what a steal"
How could a coach act that excited about a player...and then they just release the guy?
How could a coach act that excited about a player...and then they just release the guy?
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There is a personal issue .... or some issue that we are not yet aware of.
That's what I smell here.
The 'mistake' rumor is asinine.
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That is the worst endorsement on earth. This guy was also sure that we would draft Quinn. I'm glad he was wrong, but I dont trust his work much at all. I'm not saying the rumor is false. But Peter King's endorsement means about as much as yours.
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Taking either side is silly imo. The coach is full of bs and so is PFT. Arguing about who is closer to telling the truth brings no answers to wtf really happened. No matter who made the decision, its still a big gamble. And all these people saying fuck Moses better have been saying the same thing when we traded Gabriel last season about him.
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PFT's Lane Kiffin rumors just don't add up
By Anthony Carroll on September 3, 2007 12:24 AM
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Rumors surrounding the Oakland Raiders are always controversial, touchy areas.
Gossip from Adam Schefter, for example, the Bronco-loving "rumor monger," is usually spot on. Think Art Shell being fired. On the other hand, from Nancy Gay, the San Francisco (...49ers) Chronicle writer, the gossip is particularly harsh, but frequently wrong. Think Warren Sapp being cut.
This time, though, ProFootballTalk.com -- or PFT for short -- has taken a stab at taking a stab at the Raiders.
The online Web site, boasting the slogan "The best pro football scoop on the Internet," has reported that first-year head coach Lane Kiffin is irate over the team's recently announced roster cuts.
Keep in mind, the site's slogan is not: "The most correct pro football scoop on the Internet."
The first paragraph of the 200-word report reads: "A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is fuming about the final round of roster cuts in Oakland. Though we don't know of any specific moves about which Kiffin is particularly upset, we're told that the bulk of the moves is evidence that owner Al Davis still has a significant amount of influence over the football operation."
In all, 20 players were cut from Oakland's roster on Saturday, ranging from rookies to veterans, from starters to backups.
Among the debatable cuts are third-round defensive end Quentin Moses, rookie safety Eric Frampton, second-year offensive lineman Kevin Boothe as well as veterans Donovin Darius and Zack Crockett.
It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the team let go of some high-end rookies. Just two weeks ago, the 32-year-old coach made clear that any player on the roster was fair game, including all rookies.
"Understand that no one is on scholarship here," Kiffin said. "It comes from the college mentality that once you have a scholarship it can't be taken away for football reasons, it's different in the NFL and you've got to earn it."
Based on the team's four preseason outings, neither Moses nor Frampton "earned it."
Moses, with just four tackles and sack, was greatly outperformed by fifth-round rookie DE Jay Richardson, who registered 11 tackles and a sack. As luck would have it, Richardson made the team. Meanwhile, Frampton, with just four tackles, was outshined by 26-year-old safety Hiram Eugene, who recorded six tackles, an interception and a defensive TD. Again, Kiffin found a spot for Eugene on the final roster.
As for second-year guard Kevin Boothe, who started 14 games in 2006, Kiffin already defended that release, saying the 315-pounder wasn't a "system fit."
Now to the vets.
Strong safety Donovin Darius, who was signed in mid-July, simply couldn't find time to get healthy. Unsurprisingly, Kiffin has a big problem with players who can't, well, play.
As for fullback Zack Crockett, who has spent his last eight seasons in Oakland, he was simply forced out by younger talent. The 34-year-old was cut in favor of a better lead blocker in Justin Griffith and fresher legs in sixth-round rookie Oren O'Neal. Last offseason, Crockett was on the brink of being cut under the leadership of Shell, but he managed to extend his Raider career by a season.
Beneath each roster move, then, is a reasonable, almost obvious explanation.
That's no fun to report, though. Speculating the imminent firing of Kiffin, who is yet to coach an NFL regular-season game, is much more intriguing.
"In our view," the PFT blurb continues, "the mere fact that he didn't shrug in response to moves dictated from above tell us that Lane is his own man. It might get him fired from his current job, but it could help him land his next job."
Of course, let's not forget the clinching proof demonstrating that Al Davis in fact did not have the final say in Saturday's cuts.
Alvis Whitted is no longer an Oakland Raider
By Anthony Carroll on September 3, 2007 12:24 AM
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Rumors surrounding the Oakland Raiders are always controversial, touchy areas.
Gossip from Adam Schefter, for example, the Bronco-loving "rumor monger," is usually spot on. Think Art Shell being fired. On the other hand, from Nancy Gay, the San Francisco (...49ers) Chronicle writer, the gossip is particularly harsh, but frequently wrong. Think Warren Sapp being cut.
This time, though, ProFootballTalk.com -- or PFT for short -- has taken a stab at taking a stab at the Raiders.
The online Web site, boasting the slogan "The best pro football scoop on the Internet," has reported that first-year head coach Lane Kiffin is irate over the team's recently announced roster cuts.
Keep in mind, the site's slogan is not: "The most correct pro football scoop on the Internet."
The first paragraph of the 200-word report reads: "A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is fuming about the final round of roster cuts in Oakland. Though we don't know of any specific moves about which Kiffin is particularly upset, we're told that the bulk of the moves is evidence that owner Al Davis still has a significant amount of influence over the football operation."
In all, 20 players were cut from Oakland's roster on Saturday, ranging from rookies to veterans, from starters to backups.
Among the debatable cuts are third-round defensive end Quentin Moses, rookie safety Eric Frampton, second-year offensive lineman Kevin Boothe as well as veterans Donovin Darius and Zack Crockett.
It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the team let go of some high-end rookies. Just two weeks ago, the 32-year-old coach made clear that any player on the roster was fair game, including all rookies.
"Understand that no one is on scholarship here," Kiffin said. "It comes from the college mentality that once you have a scholarship it can't be taken away for football reasons, it's different in the NFL and you've got to earn it."
Based on the team's four preseason outings, neither Moses nor Frampton "earned it."
Moses, with just four tackles and sack, was greatly outperformed by fifth-round rookie DE Jay Richardson, who registered 11 tackles and a sack. As luck would have it, Richardson made the team. Meanwhile, Frampton, with just four tackles, was outshined by 26-year-old safety Hiram Eugene, who recorded six tackles, an interception and a defensive TD. Again, Kiffin found a spot for Eugene on the final roster.
As for second-year guard Kevin Boothe, who started 14 games in 2006, Kiffin already defended that release, saying the 315-pounder wasn't a "system fit."
Now to the vets.
Strong safety Donovin Darius, who was signed in mid-July, simply couldn't find time to get healthy. Unsurprisingly, Kiffin has a big problem with players who can't, well, play.
As for fullback Zack Crockett, who has spent his last eight seasons in Oakland, he was simply forced out by younger talent. The 34-year-old was cut in favor of a better lead blocker in Justin Griffith and fresher legs in sixth-round rookie Oren O'Neal. Last offseason, Crockett was on the brink of being cut under the leadership of Shell, but he managed to extend his Raider career by a season.
Beneath each roster move, then, is a reasonable, almost obvious explanation.
That's no fun to report, though. Speculating the imminent firing of Kiffin, who is yet to coach an NFL regular-season game, is much more intriguing.
"In our view," the PFT blurb continues, "the mere fact that he didn't shrug in response to moves dictated from above tell us that Lane is his own man. It might get him fired from his current job, but it could help him land his next job."
Of course, let's not forget the clinching proof demonstrating that Al Davis in fact did not have the final say in Saturday's cuts.
Alvis Whitted is no longer an Oakland Raider
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What the hell, SoCal? You've been a Raiders fan long enough to know the process that the Raiders go through for both players selected in the draft AND those they choose to keep. Everybody from Madden to Gruden has made it abundantly clear that debate (sometimes HEATED debate) is encouraged; everybody gets input. Why are you acting like this is news to you? The ONLY thing that King said is that Kiffin and Davis disagreed. SO WHAT? This has been the case since the inception of the Raiders and in NO WAY does it indicate that the Moses cut was mistakenly sent to league offices.
I'd laugh at how quickly people are ready to shoot Al, but quite frankly, it's wearing pretty thin. I don't always agree with the way things are handled, but it is what it is, and it IS what it's been for the last 30+ years. What I DO find amusing is that some of you guys are finding something newsworthy in the fact that people on the coaching staff disagreed with Al on players.
I'd laugh at how quickly people are ready to shoot Al, but quite frankly, it's wearing pretty thin. I don't always agree with the way things are handled, but it is what it is, and it IS what it's been for the last 30+ years. What I DO find amusing is that some of you guys are finding something newsworthy in the fact that people on the coaching staff disagreed with Al on players.