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I always thought the AL West was a bunch of asshats, but I never knew just how much.

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I had tickets to the game today. I used up most of the credit they owed me for some pretty good seats and these mother fuckers rain delayed the game for 3.5 hours instead of canceling so we could just get our credit back and go another time. That’s so A’s.
 
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What to know about Negro Leagues stats entering MLB record

Major League Baseball’s embrace of the Negro Leagues is now recognized in the record book, resulting in new-look leaderboards fronted in several prominent places by Hall of Famer Josh Gibson and an overdue appreciation of many other Black stars. Following the 2020 announcement that seven...
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Crow said:
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Doesn’t bother me. It’s not like the Negro league was a bunch of scrubs but it feels like the type of move that’s going to have the complete opposite impact of what they’re expecting. It’s just more fuel to divide people. Personally I always thought it was kind of cool that that league had its own separate identity.
 
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Doesn’t bother me. It’s not like the Negro league was a bunch of scrubs but it feels like the type of move that’s going to have the complete opposite impact of what they’re expecting. It’s just more fuel to divide people. Personally I always thought it was kind of cool that that league had its own separate identity.
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The cynic in me wonders if part of the motivation is to sweep their segregated history under the rug a bit. Or just some performative gesture of inclusiveness to appeal to "modern audiences" who can't tell the difference between patronization and sincerity.

I'm not a baseball guy, so I don't care. It just raises an eyebrow.
 
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The cynic in me wonders if part of the motivation is to sweep their segregated history under the rug a bit. Or just some performative gesture of inclusiveness to appeal to "modern audiences" who can't tell the difference between patronization and sincerity.

I'm not a baseball guy, so I don't care. It just raises an eyebrow.
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Most definitely the latter but if it means something to the families of the former players it’s a big whatever to me. Pretty much the same way I feel the HOF. Gotta figure those record books would have looked a lot different anyway if integration came sooner.
 
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What to know about Negro Leagues stats entering MLB record

Major League Baseball’s embrace of the Negro Leagues is now recognized in the record book, resulting in new-look leaderboards fronted in several prominent places by Hall of Famer Josh Gibson and an overdue appreciation of many other Black stars. Following the 2020 announcement that seven...
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It is statistically asinine. Nothing but a post-George Floyd reaction. Bill James in his Historical Abstract rated the Negro Leagues as around Double A or Triple A in overall skill. Which is correct. The best stars were incredible but the leagues lack depth.

You can't compare the two entities. If you are putting the Negro Leagues in the record book, the PCL of the early 1900s had as much talent, and should be included. They had plenty of good players who either had abbreviated MLB careers or never played because they received more money staying out west.

Buzz Arlett should be a Hall of Famer for example. That era of PCL player just doesn't have the mythical aura that understandably arose around Negro League players.

From the article itself,

"However, because of the inconsistencies of Negro Leagues team schedules (or the available data), the minimum qualifier for each league and season is based upon the average number of games played by each team, multiplied by 3.1 plate appearances for hitters and one inning for pitchers. Those values are subject to change as more data is discovered.
As for career leaderboards, the current standard for career MLB leaders is 5,000 at-bats and 2,000 innings pitched, which roughly equates to 10 full qualifying seasons (5,020 at-bats and 1,620 innings). Therefore, for Negro Leagues players, this standard has been set at 1,800 at-bats and 600 innings -- roughly the equivalent of 10 seasons’ worth of 60-game seasons."

Is the Negro Leagues data complete?
No. Researchers estimate that the 1920-1948 Negro Leagues records are about 75% complete.

You will see online now baseball fans derailing pre-Jackie Robinson players as overrated since they didn't face all the available talent yet the same fans will eagerly slot Negro Leagues who didn't face 9/10 of the available talent of the era. An interesting contradiction.

Then again, my Pirates placed Negro League players of the city's Negro League teams in the team's Hall of Fame before some of the franchise's most important players to virtue signal. It was wrong those players weren't allowed the opportunity to play in the MLB but it is not the franchise's job to stiff actual Pirates players to apply a bandaid on historical wrongs. I looked at the St. Louis Cardinals HOF and they handle it correctly. Only Cardinals players in the HOF but they are a museum with sections dedicated to the St. Louis Browns (the modern Baltimore Orioles) and the city's Negro League team. That is a good compromise.

The MLB needs to include the NA (1871-1875) now. It was more organized and birthed professional sports leagues as we know it.
 
Crow said:
The cynic in me wonders if part of the motivation is to sweep their segregated history under the rug a bit. Or just some performative gesture of inclusiveness to appeal to "modern audiences" who can't tell the difference between patronization and sincerity.

I'm not a baseball guy, so I don't care. It just raises an eyebrow.
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Crow,

You are 100% correct.
 
Darkenblot said:
It is statistically asinine. Nothing but a post-George Floyd reaction. Bill James in his Historical Abstract rated the Negro Leagues as around Double A or Triple A in overall skill. Which is correct. The best stars were incredible but the leagues lack depth.

You can't compare the two entities. If you are putting the Negro Leagues in the record book, the PCL of the early 1900s had as much talent, and should be included. They had plenty of good players who either had abbreviated MLB careers or never played because they received more money staying out west.

Buzz Arlett should be a Hall of Famer for example. That era of PCL player just doesn't have the mythical aura that understandably arose around Negro League players.

From the article itself,

"However, because of the inconsistencies of Negro Leagues team schedules (or the available data), the minimum qualifier for each league and season is based upon the average number of games played by each team, multiplied by 3.1 plate appearances for hitters and one inning for pitchers. Those values are subject to change as more data is discovered.
As for career leaderboards, the current standard for career MLB leaders is 5,000 at-bats and 2,000 innings pitched, which roughly equates to 10 full qualifying seasons (5,020 at-bats and 1,620 innings). Therefore, for Negro Leagues players, this standard has been set at 1,800 at-bats and 600 innings -- roughly the equivalent of 10 seasons’ worth of 60-game seasons."

Is the Negro Leagues data complete?
No. Researchers estimate that the 1920-1948 Negro Leagues records are about 75% complete.

You will see online now baseball fans derailing pre-Jackie Robinson players as overrated since they didn't face all the available talent yet the same fans will eagerly slot Negro Leagues who didn't face 9/10 of the available talent of the era. An interesting contradiction.

Then again, my Pirates placed Negro League players of the city's Negro League teams in the team's Hall of Fame before some of the franchise's most important players to virtue signal. It was wrong those players weren't allowed the opportunity to play in the MLB but it is not the franchise's job to stiff actual Pirates players to apply a bandaid on historical wrongs. I looked at the St. Louis Cardinals HOF and they handle it correctly. Only Cardinals players in the HOF but they are a museum with sections dedicated to the St. Louis Browns (the modern Baltimore Orioles) and the city's Negro League team. That is a good compromise.

The MLB needs to include the NA (1871-1875) now. It was more organized and birthed professional sports leagues as we know it.
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Thank god we have an expert here on all things native American and African American.
 
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