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They are going to run it back minus Poole/DD. So I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch just yet.

Steph - Obviously has a few years left as a superstar player
Klay - was horrendous in the playoffs, lead the NBA in 3's last season tho. Not washed.
Wiggins - missed most of the season w personal issues which crushed team chemistry
Dray - Still a good player (2nd team all defense) but fucked our chemistry w that Poole punch. Idiot.
Looney - still young, had a great season and post season

This line-up must be fixed so Draymond and Looney are staggered at times. That killed us this season. No size and nobody else to play vs huge guys like A.Davis/Lebron etc. We all knew this was an issue, Wiseman couldnt fix it. The FO didnt fix it. That & terrible chemistry is why we lost to the big physical Lakers team. We beat the best offense in the NBA in the kIngs. So its not like this team was terrible.

GP2- Will be back and healthier next year. Still a very good player
Moody - Played great in the playoffs and earned a big role moving forward
Kuminga - Can still develop into a plus starter. He played great until he got benched harshly. More on this in a bit.

Poole - Had a distaster of a year. He's only 23 tho and averages 20PPG. He can and will be moved unless his contract hard caps us etc. His defense & attitude must go. I thought he would continue to improve this year. But he got his money and thought he could just show up and be great. He apparently is a very hard worker so I think its an attitude/BBIQ thing. Not that he wont work. Either was he is easily movable and we are not stuck w that contract. I bet they move him for cap relief and try to replace him w a big somewhow.

DD- He had a great season for us. Then he turned into bitch in the playoffs. Last night was his far an away best game. I wish we could keep him but he is going to opt out and leave for more money. He was soft in the plyoffs for us so I no longer care.

J.Greene - Bye bye.

Andre Igoudala - Why use a roster spot on a glorified coach? Just pay him to be a assistant. He's retiring this offseason.

PBJ - this guys showed he belongs in the NBA. Develop him and he can come off the bench early as next season. That shooting stroke is butter. And he can get a shot off w no issues at his height. I expect him to develop into a shooter off the bench.

Quiones - Id give him a spot on the roster next year. He can score and has worked hard to earn a spot. A solid bottom of the roster piece.

Ryan Rollins - TBA, likely JAG but he will fight for a bottom of the roster spot as a ball handler. His injury derailed his devleopment.

Santos - is a nice piece on the GL team. He improved and showed some flashes. Doubt he makes the roster next year but he has some game wirht mentioning.

Lamb/Jerome - Fine w them on the bench filling out the roster. Not major minutes guys.


FO - Resign Myers. Having Dunleavy and the Lacob kids replace him gives me nightmares.

Kerr - I give him a D for coaching this year. His line-ups we trash and he insisted on playing guys like Lamb & Jerome over Kuminga/Mooody/Wiseman. Kerr really shit the bed developing these guys. Moody showed he was ready in the playoffs. Kuminga had a great ramp up to the playoffs filling in for Wiggins. Why not let him play a little and see if he can offer anything. We had no size and no inside scoring. I get Kerr dealt w the Draymond Poole thing and likely could never get this team back together. We really missed Mike Brown coaching the defense.

Myers - I want him back. He has earned his money and spot on the team. I will once again criticize our lack of size tho. No center/bigs over 6'9 is fucking stupid. The team was worn down and worn out from fighting off bigger and stronger players all year. The team is forced to shoot way to many jumpers and cant get easy buckets.

To fix this team you have to:

1. move Poole. Or rehab his value for the first few months then move him. He is not a winning player w that defense.
2. Add size. We need a center and PF who can get boards, get easy finishes and stay on the court in the playoffs. We dont need stars but reliable average NBA bigs that log playoff minutes.
3. Trust the youth. Let Kuminga and Moody play as much as possible before next years playoffs.
4. Stop playing Looney and Green together so much. When its not working, it kills space and hurts the offense to much. Stagger them with scorers next to them. One non offense guy per 5. Cant have two people unguarded.
5. Re-sign Myers.
6. Klay comes off the bench more. He plays way to many minutes at his age. Kerr needs to recognize when he's shooting bad and remove him. He killed us last night. Just terrible shot selection and blinders on when passes are open. Dude lead the NAB in 3's made last season at a good shooting clip. Transition this man to bench sniper now.


TLDR: Team will be back minus Poole and w some bigs. Curry w the right pieces and team chemistry can win another title. But we can live in the past and baby peoples egos. Keep the 3 together. Dont severly overpay them and fix the size/dynamics issue.
 
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They are going to run it back minus Poole/DD. So I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch just yet.

Steph - Obviously has a few years left as a superstar player
Klay - was horrendous in the playoffs, lead the NBA in 3's last season tho. Not washed.
Wiggins - missed most of the season w personal issues which crushed team chemistry
Dray - Still a good player (2nd team all defense) but fucked our chemistry w that Poole punch. Idiot.
Looney - still young, had a great season and post season

This line-up must be fixed so Draymond and Looney are staggered at times. That killed us this offseason. No size and nobody else to play vs huge guys like A.Davis/Lebron etc. We all knew this was an issue, Wiseman couldnt fix it. The FO didnt fix it. That & terrible chemistry is why we lost to the big physical Lakers team. We beat the best offense in the NBA in the kIngs. So its not like this team was terrible.

GP2- Will be back and healthier next year. Still a very good player
Moody - Played great in the playoffs and earned a big role moving forward
Kuminga - Can still develop into a plus starter. He played great until he got benched harshly. More on this in a bit.

Poole - Had a distaster of a year. He's only 23 tho and averages 20PPG. He can and will be moved. His defense and attitude must go. I thought he would continue to improve this year. But he got his money and thought he could just show up and be great. He apparently is a very hard worker so I think its an attitude/BBIQ thing. Not that he wont work. Either was he is easily movable and we are not stuck w that contract. I bet they move him for cap relief and try to replace him w a big somewhow.

DD- He had a great season for us. Then he turned into bitch in the playoffs. Last night was his far an away best game. I wish we could keep him but he is going to opt out and leave for more money. He was soft in the plyoffs for us so I no longer care.

J.Greene - Bye bye.

Andre Igoudala - Why use a roster spot on a glorified coach? Just pay him to be a assistant. He's retiring this offseason.

PBJ - this guys showed he belongs in the NBA. Develop him and he can come off the bench early as next season. That shooting stroke is butter. And he can get a shot off w no issues at his height. I expect him to develop into a shooter off the bench.

Quiones - Id give him a spot on the roster next year. He can score and has worked hard to earn a spot. A solid bottom of the roster piece.

Ryan Rollins - TBA, likely JAG but he will fight for a bottom of the roster spot as a ball handler. His injury derailed his devleopment.

Santos - is a nice piece on the GL team. He improved and showed some flashes. Doubt he makes the roster next year but he has some game wirht mentioning.

Lamb/Jerome - Fine w them on the bench filling out the roster. Not major minutes guys.


FO - Resign Myers. Having Dunleavy and the Lacob kids replace him gives me nightmares.

Kerr - I give him a D for coaching this year. His line-ups we trash and he insisted on playing guys like Lamb & Jerome over Kuminga/Mooody/Wiseman. Kerr really shit the bed developing these guys. Moody showed he was ready in the playoffs. Kuminga had a great ramp up to the playoffs filling in for Wiggins. Why not let him play a little and see if he can offer anything. We had no size and no inside scoring. I get Kerr dealt w the Draymond Poole thing and likely could never get this team back together. We really missed Mike Brown coaching the defense.

Myers - I want him back. He has earned his money and spot on the team. I will once again criticize our lack of size tho. No center/bigs over 6'9 is fucking stupid. The team was worn down and worn out from fighting off bigger and stronger players all year. The team is forced to shoot way to many jumpers and cant get easy buckets.

To fix this team you have to:

1. move Poole. Or rehab his value for the first few months then move him. He is not a winning player w that defense.
2. Add size. We need a center and PF who can get boards, get easy finishes and stay on the court in the playoffs. We dont need stars but reliable average NBA bigs that log playoff minutes.
3. Trust the youth. Let Kuminga and Moody play as much as possible before next years playoffs.
4. Stop playing Looney and Green together so much. When its not working, it kills space and hurts the offense to much. Stagger them with scorers next to them. One non offense guy per 5. Cant have two people unguarded.
5. Re-sign Myers.
6. Klay comes off the bench more. He plays way to many minutes at his age. Kerr needs to recognize when he's shooting bad and remove him. He killed us last night. Just terrible shot selection and blinders on when passes are open. Dude lead the NAB in 3's made last season at a good shooting clip. Transition this man to bench sniper now.


TLDR: Team will be back minus Poole and w some bigs. Curry w the right pieces and team chemistry can win another title. But we can live in the past and baby peoples egos. Keep the 3 together. Dont severly overpay them and fix the size/dynamics issue.

Yah pretty fair analysis. I pretty much concur. @gst8 and I have gone back and forth all season over the issue of getting bigger in the front court. That issue came up and bit us in the ass this past series. We really need a front scorer/presence that can take some of the pressure off our guards. If the outside shooting isn't working, we are basically fucked. It's no coincidence that the remaining teams in the playoffs all have a dominant big guy in the lineup or a combination of guys.

Really need to upgrade the bench. There has to be better options that Lamb, Jerome etc . I agree with you on Kerr. Our young guys should be a lot more along in their development than they have been. Kerr yo-yoing these guys in the lineup because they make one mistake really retarding their growth. If you're not going to play Kuminga, then fucking trade him. Losing Mike Brown was huge and we struggled mightily on defense.

Dray is going to want a max deal after giving the team a hometown discount last time. It would be insane to pay him that kind of coin for the production we get from him. Plus he's not getting any younger and not the elite defender he used to be. Am really getting sick of his sloppy play and constantly complaining to the refs on every foul call.

I'm on the fence with Klay but I'm not giving him another max deal after giving him a generous new contract after he got injured. He was MIA for most of this series and if he knocks down a few more shots, we probably win this series.

I'm done with Poole. He really screwed the pooch this series and we may be stuck with him and his stupid contract. Sick of his undisciplined play and no defensive skills.

With our cap situation, not sure what we can do in the offseason.
 
I’ll get more in depth later but Poole and Kuminga still have value as assets due to their age and theoretical potential. I’d look to package those guys plus some draft picks to bring in reinforcements. We’re going to need a reliable second scoring option and, if our identity as a superior 3 point shooting team is past, more size all throughout the lineup. I don’t think you have to have a big center but 4 smallish guards plus an undersized center isn’t going to get it done if you’re not lighting it up from distance. A player like Steph is once in a lifetime, mortgage the future to give him the best team we can.
 
Damn Doc Rivers is about to blow another series. Get that man a bud Light :pound:

Looks Like Ja Morant got caught filming himself with a gun again. Dude makes Poole look like a genius.
 
They should start Klay next year but drastically cut his minutes and sub him out quickly. You avoid the conflict and keep his legs fresher. They had to lean on him this year w/o Steph and he was worn out by the playoffs. Playing him back to back nights at this point after Achilles and ACL damage is stupid. I think Kerr needs to be more conservative w the olds heads and more trusting of the youth and even FA's (duh and we need a real size C to rotate)

Kerr doesnt let players find their way through struggles. We could have used J.Greene more and maybe he puts up better numbers or matches his best NBA season etc. He regressed here. Im fine w Lamb/Jerome showing some NBA chops, but why are you developing more small ball players who don't defend well? Greene had more size and can shoot 3's decently.

They lusted after Caruso at the trade deadline and OG but then you give minutes to guys with no defense. This team already has a older undersized PG in Curry. His defense is solid but not great. Poole is terrible. Klay off injury. isn't the same defender. Looney good but undersized w no leaping ability to play above the rim. Wiggins is money on defense and so is Dray. But how do you continue to add undersized players w no defense and give them minutes over Wiseman/Kuminga/Moody? All 3 had length and youth/athleticism. If you don't want them trade them for bigs etc

I do think the Warriors can get back in title contention but the FA minimum adds need to hit. The development & coaching up needs to happen. Cant overpay the old heads either. They can both take fair deals to stay w Steph. Green will not opt out IMO
 
Warriors need to develop some of that youth, let them work through the bad. Kerr let's players like Thompson work through bad... Good point on him playing too much @BigTron

Ja Moron... can't make this shit up. Dumber than Arnette! He was given multiple chances.
 
Poole is the conundrum. He's the natural successor to Klay and a necessary scorer needed to complement/take the load off Steph and Klay. The problem is, aside from the obvious current holes in his game, is that there is no way you can bring him back and not make him the starter. The young buck/vet tension between he and Klay is what started everything last year and what had him especially pissy in the playoffs. It's just not a mental barrier he seems capable of getting past. I suspect part of the reason they kept Iggy around last year was as a reminder of we before me when it comes to starting, etc. That said, Klay is not going to step back graciously. Especially to Poole, after how shitty he's behaved. You also have to think about the precedent it sets to guys like Kuminga, who also feels entitled to minutes. Ideally Klay accepts a 6th man role and Jordan comes back stronger defensively and with a better attitude but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Poole is the conundrum. He's the natural successor to Klay and a necessary scorer needed to complement/take the load off Steph and Klay. The problem is, aside from the obvious current holes in his game, is that there is no way you can bring him back and not make him the starter. The young buck/vet tension between he and Klay is what started everything last year and what had him especially pissy in the playoffs. It's just not a mental barrier he seems capable of getting past. I suspect part of the reason they kept Iggy around last year was as a reminder of we before me when it comes to starting, etc. That said, Klay is not going to step back graciously. Especially to Poole, after how shitty he's behaved. You also have to think about the precedent it sets to guys like Kuminga, who also feels entitled to minutes. Ideally Klay accepts a 6th man role and Jordan comes back stronger defensively and with a better attitude but I'm not holding my breath.
I think one of Dray or Poole has to go. I'd be looking to move Poole and get something that will help us make another run while we still have Steph. I'd trade Kuminga's ass too. Both those guys are whiny bitches. Get some vets for another run.
 
I think Poole can figure it out on the offensive end. He can be valuable and def has so much room to grow cerebrally. With that said he is unplayable late in big games. He gives effort on defense but has zero discipline and reaches way way too often. He is steadily getting blown past. So when he isnt playing smart/good on offense he is killing you on both ends. Im not sure if they can move off his contract and add more money regardless of a trade. I dont understand the CBA rules. I think we can keep him but if we trade him we are hard capped and cant just bring back his salary w another player? Idk. Maybe that changes after a certain deadline. Hoping to get some clarity on that bc people are saying different things.

I could live with Poole on the team next year. But I just dont see him being trustworthy on defense or with his frantic hot and cold play. Luckily GP2 helps us have perimeter defense. If Kuminga could buy into being the defense first player they want he could play way more minutes. Right now Kuminga cant rebound well and wants to shoot more than drive to the rim. Another guy who isnt doing whats asked basically bc he thinks he knows better? He at least sounded humble and earnest in his exit interview. He wants minutes, but realizes he isnt a finished product and has flaws.

Moody is mentally ready but Kerr had a weird hate boner for him this year. He quite frankly made Kerr look dumb bc he played so well. Wiseman was so fucking raw and never on the court. I can forgive that. But we can miss on Kuminga & Poole moving forward I think Moody has earned broderline starter minutes moving forward. Which makes Poole more expendable. Poole & Kuminga + picks could fetch a nice return. They arent trash by any means.

Also, Pick #19 this year should be a solid player. Id hope we take someone older and advanced personally. No projects, no upside. Take a player who has size and defense day one. Someone who can actually get on the floor. Look how fucking good Walker Kessler jr was this past year. Or the kid on the Nuggets playing big playoff minutes. No reason we can find someone to step right in. Take a 24 year old.
 
I think Poole can figure it out on the offensive end. He can be valuable and def has so much room to grow cerebrally. With that said he is unplayable late in big games. He gives effort on defense but has zero discipline and reaches way way too often. He is steadily getting blown past. So when he isnt playing smart/good on offense he is killing you on both ends. Im not sure if they can move off his contract and add more money regardless of a trade. I dont understand the CBA rules. I think we can keep him but if we trade him we are hard capped and cant just bring back his salary w another player? Idk. Maybe that changes after a certain deadline. Hoping to get some clarity on that bc people are saying different things.

I could live with Poole on the team next year. But I just dont see him being trustworthy on defense or with his frantic hot and cold play. Luckily GP2 helps us have perimeter defense. If Kuminga could buy into being the defense first player they want he could play way more minutes. Right now Kuminga cant rebound well and wants to shoot more than drive to the rim. Another guy who isnt doing whats asked basically bc he thinks he knows better? He at least sounded humble and earnest in his exit interview. He wants minutes, but realizes he isnt a finished product and has flaws.

Moody is mentally ready but Kerr had a weird hate boner for him this year. He quite frankly made Kerr look dumb bc he played so well. Wiseman was so fucking raw and never on the court. I can forgive that. But we can miss on Kuminga & Poole moving forward I think Moody has earned broderline starter minutes moving forward. Which makes Poole more expendable. Poole & Kuminga + picks could fetch a nice return. They arent trash by any means.

Also, Pick #19 this year should be a solid player. Id hope we take someone older and advanced personally. No projects, no upside. Take a player who has size and defense day one. Someone who can actually get on the floor. Look how fucking good Walker Kessler jr was this past year. Or the kid on the Nuggets playing big playoff minutes. No reason we can find someone to step right in. Take a 24 year old.

Poole needs to get physically stronger. That's one of the main reasons he resorts to reaching and overcommitting defensively and it wouldn't hurt his ability to finish at the rim. Steph went from a negative defensively to decent once he hit the weight room.

Kuminga was basically playing Wiggin's (Klay's old role) of man defender in a switching defense. Once Wiggins came back, his role switched back to having to read and react, which he's not strong at. I haven't quite given up on Kuminga but he's also one of our only assets available to acquire some depth.

All that said, I think the coaching staff needs to start working with some realistic expectations too. That original core was a once in a lifetime situation in terms of talent, IQ, and the willingness to sacrifice to win. We're not duplicating that with a new group of players. Kerr needs to start looking at what they can do instead of getting mad over what they can't. I almost wonder if this is what the hesitation on Meyer's end in terms of not signing a new contract with the org. He has to be a little annoyed that none of his draft picks are seeing the light of day.
 
I don't know what we can expect to get back for Poole after a dreadful playoff performance. I know Hawks have been trying to move Collins even after he signed his 5 year $125mm extension. He's coming off a down year and is still only 25. Maybe a package of Poole and some draft picks. I really hate to include Kuminga in a deal as I think he has a future in this league with the right coaching. He started to flash at the end of the season and was promptly relegated to the end of the bench. I really don't understand Kerr's personnel decisions this last series. J Green has a good game and then he's promptly benched.

We really need a big 4 or 5. I just hope we don't draft another point or shooting guard. Would rather go the veteran route here for a back up PG. I haven't really been following the college guys but there has to be some options out there.

If Lacob wants to keep to keep the big 3 intact for one more run, he is going to have to eat some cap $$. Steph can't do this by himself and we saw our guys breaking down this last series. Lakers made some great trade deadline acquisitions and their bench has been a big part of their playoff surge.

Agree with @BigTron on Klay. He was logging way too many minutes and it showed.
 
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Siakam for you guys!

Raps need to rebuild. Throw us Kuminga and some picks.

Almost impossible to make that work salary wise. Pretty much any trade would have to be built around Klay Thompson for salary matching purposes. Klay, Kuminga, and a couple of picks for Siakam and Porter Jr. Probably works for both sides but it’s hard for me to accept trading Klay.
 
Poole needs to get physically stronger. That's one of the main reasons he resorts to reaching and overcommitting defensively and it wouldn't hurt his ability to finish at the rim. Steph went from a negative defensively to decent once he hit the weight room.

Kuminga was basically playing Wiggin's (Klay's old role) of man defender in a switching defense. Once Wiggins came back, his role switched back to having to read and react, which he's not strong at. I haven't quite given up on Kuminga but he's also one of our only assets available to acquire some depth.

All that said, I think the coaching staff needs to start working with some realistic expectations too. That original core was a once in a lifetime situation in terms of talent, IQ, and the willingness to sacrifice to win. We're not duplicating that with a new group of players. Kerr needs to start looking at what they can do instead of getting mad over what they can't. I almost wonder if this is what the hesitation on Meyer's end in terms of not signing a new contract with the org. He has to be a little annoyed that none of his draft picks are seeing the light of day.
Sounds like Kuminga is kind of done with us. Lot of pouting going on. Poole is pissy too. Fuck those two little bitches, go get some vets to help us win another ring.
 
Almost impossible to make that work salary wise. Pretty much any trade would have to be built around Klay Thompson for salary matching purposes. Klay, Kuminga, and a couple of picks for Siakam and Porter Jr. Probably works for both sides but it’s hard for me to accept trading Klay.

Would Poole and Kuminga work salary wise?
 
fucking NBA shit is so complicated I don't even try to understand it

Amen. They need to simplify the cap rules. They should make it more in line with other sports. None of this bird right shit and so on.
 
Would Poole and Kuminga work salary wise?

It would still need something additional since the Warriors can't take back more salary than they send out.
 
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