Discussion in 'Raiders Discussion' started by Langlier, May 9, 2014.
I've been pushing this guy for a while now. Hope you guys are converts.
Close this thread. Nothing good can come of it.
That arm doe...
I'm gonna put this hear too.
I like the pick.
With him being taken in the 2nd, there's no rush to start him and in the event that he sucks, there isn't a huge investment in him that would stop us from taking a guy like Hackenberg down the road.
Like I've been saying, if he sits and irons out some bad habits, he could be really good.
Derek Carr selected in NFL draft by Oakland Raiders at No. 36 (video)
BY DAVID WHITE
The Fresno BeeMay 9, 2014 Updated 20 minutes ago
From the Dog House into the Black Hole, Derek Carr has finally taken the plunge into the NFL.
One of the most decorated quarterbacks in Fresno State history is taking his superstar act over Altamont Pass to Oakland, where the Raiders made him all theirs with the 36th overall selection of the NFL draft on Friday.
Carr's mission: make the Raiders a winning franchise for the first time since their 2002 run to the Super Bowl.
"I can't tell you how happy I am to be a part of the Raider Nation," Carr said. "It happens to be it took an extra day, but I couldn't be happier.
"My brothers, growing up, they had Raider shirts, Raider jackets, all that. ... So it's been in our blood for awhile."
Now, half the Valley will seemingly bleed Silver and Black with him. Carr's fan following the past five years at Fresno State is that huge, and the Raiders' fan base is already that strong, from Bakersfield to Sacramento.
"I'm the biggest Raider fan in the world now," Carr said.
His newfound allegiance came just before 4:30 p.m. Carr was watching the draft with a host of family and friends in Bakersfield when the screen showed the Raiders were on the clock to make their pick.
Oakland coaches and scouts spent a lot of time visiting with Carr in the months leading up to the draft and the Raiders were rumored to be one of the teams most interested in making him their newest franchise quarterback. But they, and everyone else, passed on Carr in the first round.
Not the second time around. Not with owner Mark Davis enamored with Carr's talent. Not with general manager Reggie McKenzie impressed by his character. And not with teams like Tennessee, Arizona and Tampa Bay still looking for a quarterback.
Carr had been waiting for 23 hours, 29 minutes for his phone to ring with a long-distance area code flashing on the screen. Truth is, he could hardly sleep wondering where the call would come from.
"Going to sleep (Thursday) night, the next thing I could think of was, 'Man, I just want to be on a team, know who I'm playing for, know what city and community I'm going to go help,' " Carr said. "That's what bugged me; I wanted my family to know where we're going. ...
"When (Oakland's) pick came up, I was just waiting, looking at my phone, and it started ringing. I almost forgot how to answer it, I was so excited."
His dad, Rodger, ran outside and yelled, "Raiders!" Oakland fans blew up their neck of the Twitter woods, hoping Carr would be the quarterback who makes them forget a long line of busts from JaMarcus Russell in Oakland to Todd Marinovich in Los Angeles.
Older brother David Carr just smiled for joy, knowing he can still drive to all his kid brother's home games -- just as he did during Derek's senior season at Fresno State.
"Selfishly, for him to be so close to home, that's so great," said David Carr, also a former Fresno State quarterback star although he was the No. 1 overall pick of the 2002 draft to start an 11-year career. "He's just two hours away from where he played college ball, going to such an unbelievable franchise."
The tradition is certainly there, with the Raiders one of the most recognizable sports brands on the planet. The success hasn't been there in more than a decade, with Oakland coming off a 4-12 season -- the ninth time in 11 years the team has lost at least 10 of 16 games. The common link in all those years: struggles at quarterback, the most critical position in today's game.
Carr won't be asked to start immediately as a rookie; the Raiders traded for veteran Matt Schaub in March. Carr will be asked to be a quick understudy and become the long-term franchise quarterback, sooner always preferable to later.
Compare that to David Carr's career, with the first-year Texans starting him immediately and giving him no time to develop on the bench.
"Whenever I'm the (starting) quarterback, great," Derek Carr said. "To me, it doesn't matter what the situation is. If I'm a starter, if I'm a backup there to learn, my No. 1 goal is to help the Raiders win, and I'm going to do that."
Carr did that as a starter at Fresno State, particularly last season when he led the Bulldogs to a 10-0 start and top-15 national ranking before the perfect season ended in the regular-season finale at San Jose State.
By the end of his career, Carr was a two-time All America selection, two-time conference MVP and owner of 25 school passing records. He also led the nation in every key passing category last season to win the prestigious Sammy Baugh national quarterback award.
Five long months later, Carr can begin building his NFL portfolio.
"It feels like it took forever ... but I gotta be honest: The way it worked out, the place I'm going and the coaches and players I'll be around, I couldn't be happier.
"I am so fired up."
Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/05/09/3918844/derek-carr-selected-in-nfl-draft.html#storylink=cpy
Carr gonna start a handful of games.
Can't wait to see Carr and Schaub standing next to each other and see if I can tell them apart. They look more like brothers than Derek and David.
Carr said his uncle played for the Raiders. Hmm.
My dad lives in Mariposa (sometimes), which is pretty damn close to Fresno. He's pretty happy with the pick. Mankins is from Mariposa.
A must watch.
Mankins is actually from catheys valley, about 15-20 min drive towards merced(my home town) from Mariposa. Still he went to HS in Mariposa, and Mankins going to Fresno state created a huge mountain fan base in that area
Lots of clips from his soph season under pat hill in pro style offense in case some of you didn't see that video I posted a while back
Of the top QB's he has the BEST arm. No question. Nice compact motion. Not really over the top but at 6'3" that's not going to be a problem. Doesn't need to step into his throws for that power either (which is nice), BUT his footwork is inconsistent, which leads to inconsistent accuracy.
There seems to be a bunch of little things which he could clear up: the feet, his follow through is also inconsistent, doesn't always reset after a pump fake (rushes the motion a bit sometimes). I don't remember him doing too many sideline to sideline progressions, but you don't really expect that at the college level.
In the final eval, he has an elite arm with a really quick release. If he can clean up some of the inconsistencies he should do pretty well. Of course there is every college player's need to adapt to NFL speed, he's got the arm to do it, but does he have the head?
My dad lives on Ben Hur Rd off hwy 49, in the direction of your town. We were just there last week. Mariposa Creek runs through his property. He's also a Raider fan. (I was born at Eden Hospital in Castro Valley, where they take players for emergencies. I think Hayden was in there last year.)
The pizza factory in Mariposa had Mankins pics all over before it burned down. We haven't been there since it's been rebuilt.
Need to get him a weapon at WR today... Martavis Bryant is a big fast deep threat target...
SI says we drafted the top 4 (Mack), 38 (Carr) and 45 (Jackson) prospects in the draft. (TB was SI's #1 prospect).
I'm going to put this out there... for what it's worth.
I was living Houston when the Tejans drafted David Carr #1 overall.
The first pick ever for the new team.
Sadly, it became evident that "boy" was the right term.
There were many things, but one memorable moment that left an impression was this...
One night early in his time with the Tejans, David was doing a local TV interview.
He was answering questions and doing fine.
They had also wired his father up -- from California, to join in the interview.
The interviewer had been asking David some things, but they jumped over to ask his father a question...
And David's demeanor IMMEDIATELY changed.
He became more meek and deferential toward his father.
As if Pop's word was the end all.
"Yes, sir. That's right. Yes, what he said..."
David was never a MAN, up to the task of LEADING a group of grown men.
Not that he was a bad guy or a total pussy... but just that he was not "his own man,"... or something like that.
No natural adult athletic swagger.
I had sort of the feeling that he was looking over his shoulder for his pops to say or do something.
Maybe it's hard to explain, but he was like an 8th grader trying to lead a bunch of 11th graders.
Ain't working out well.
Now I can't say about Derek.
Skill-wise, he's not NFL ready.
Is he his own man, unlike David, who clearly wasn't?
To David's credit, though, he had his brains bashed in during his time in Houston.
Just took a licking on many a Sunday afternoon.
He never pointed fingers and he kept answering the bell.
He did have some toughness.
But he was still sort of a... boy.
And I seriously doubt that any of the MEN in the lockerroom really looked to him for their lead.
I wouldn't have.
Maybe Derek is a different story.
Just puttin' it out there.
Carr has the ability to drive the ball downfield to all areas of the field, and he can reset and do it on the run. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if an NFL team saw more than enough to develop here and took him in the late first round as its quarterback of the future.
On board with Carr. Guy has tremendous upside and doesn't have to start right away.
Thank you for your completely irrelevant anecdote about a different human being when discussing Derek Carr. It's appreciated.