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Walterfootball grade: Raiders sign WR Tyrell Williams (4 years, $44 million; $22 million guaranteed): D Grade This is a ton of money for a receiver who has caught 41 and 43 passes in the past two seasons. The Chargers, who had Williams on their roster the previous four years, didn't even think that he was worthy of being a No. 2 receiver, given that they spent the seventh-overall selection on a wideout (Mike Williams) to join Keenan Allen. With that in mind, why would the Raiders pay Tyrell Williams this much money? It makes no sense. Williams is a dynamic deep threat who can certainly have some big games, but he disappears far too often. The lack of consistency will frustrate the Raiders while they wonder why they've paid Williams so much money. I don't think this deserves an "F" grade, as it's nowhere near as bad as some of the moves the Bengals have made this offseason. Plus, as mentioned, Williams will have some huge performances. That said, this is a colossal overpay that must be criticized. Read more at http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php#WATmCKcQ6xQ7ytrm.99
Hilarious.

Yea, I doubt Gruden knows more about WR and what he wants for his O than Walter. And Mayock, what a fool for making Williams his #1 target this offseason. Sometimes you just have to laugh at these idiots.
 
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Personally, I think the Walter Football comments on T Williams are pretty fair / accurate. I hope that Gruyock made a good move, but I just don’t see a wr that is worth anywhere near that amount of scratch.
Players are rarely “worth” their FA contracts. You just hope you get good players.
 
Players are rarely “worth” their FA contracts. You just hope you get good players.
But some are much more egregious than others... but agree, have to just hope that this turns out. No arguing that T williams has very nice H/W/S and pretty good hands. He should be a guy that can take the top off the D and hopefully open things up for others. My issue is that I personally would only pay over $10mil per year for a guy that has demonstrated a consistent level of high production... for the extra 2mil per year I would have taken Le’Veon Bell’s guaranteed 2000+ yards and 250+ touches as opposed to Williams 40 or so catches and 700 yards. But, yes, let’s hope Gruyock’s projection of what this kid can do and bring to the team is accurate. The good news is that, if not, the contract will allow the team to bail after 2 years.
 
But some are much more egregious than others... but agree, have to just hope that this turns out. No arguing that T williams has very nice H/W/S and pretty good hands. He should be a guy that can take the top off the D and hopefully open things up for others. My issue is that I personally would only pay over $10mil per year for a guy that has demonstrated a consistent level of high production... for the extra 2mil per year I would have taken Le’Veon Bell’s guaranteed 2000+ yards and 250+ touches as opposed to Williams 40 or so catches and 700 yards. But, yes, let’s hope Gruyock’s projection of what this kid can do and bring to the team is accurate. The good news is that, if not, the contract will allow the team to bail after 2 years.
I was more surprised to hear that Williams was such a target for Gruock considering this year’s SPARQ-a-lishist WR draft class. Last year Gruden’s worst move was trading for Bryant to take the top off the D. This year he pays a premium to Williams, who had leverage b/c he was the highest rated (non-slot) WR in FA. It does remind us that Gruden puts a premium on vets. And, this year, might be saying: “Guenther, you take ‘em.”
 
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I was more surprised to hear that Williams was such a target for Gruock considering this year’s SPARQ-a-lishish WR draft class. Last year Gruden’s worst move was trading for Bryant to take the top off the D. This year he pays a premium to Williams, who had leverage b/c he was the highest rated (non-slot) WR in FA.
Agree. Surprised and now disappointed... thought there were players that could have been targeted at 24 / 27 / 35 that could have easily filled that role at a small fraction of the price.
 
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Agree. Surprised and now disappointed... thought there were players that could have been targeted at 24 / 27 / 35 that could have easily filled that role at a small fraction of the price.
Perhaps. Provided we get a good player, I’m happy we filled a need with a proven vet. It’s not like Williams is not good at what he does well. And Gruden banked it already.
 
This one made me laugh:

Having Antonio Brown and Tyrell Williams to stretch the field really gives Derek Carr room to find Seth Roberts on underneath routes 15 times a game.

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Players are rarely “worth” their FA contracts. You just hope you get good players.
You hope your draft picks are out perform their contracts.

You hope your resignings perform to their contracts.

You hope your free agent signings perform.

And all together, you hope that value gets you to the playoffs.

You can't set a requirement that you won't overpay anybody. That just doesn't work. Someone on your roster is going to be overpaid. You just hope that those guys are still productive players while you recoup value from your rookie contracts.
 
Crappy had a big first year with Carr b/c Carr trusted him. Crappy would be where Carr expected him and would win 50/50 balls. I see no reason AB’s not going to do that in spades. I would love to add Hoch at TE and a stud RB to complete Gruden’s O.
 
I’ll own it. Dude looked like the second coming his freshman season and I just gave him the benefit of the doubt from that point on. I learned a valuable lesson though. The day of the pocket QB is done. Maybe dudes with some years in the league but not coming out of college.

Rosen has talent. He has the potential to be a good QB. He’s just “aloof” as they call it. You can get by in college being that way. In the NFL it gets exposed. He’s a spoiled kid who comes from a wealthy family, so it’s probably not entirely his fault. I just don’t think he really LOVES football. And maybe the Cardinals have that same opinion. It could all be bullshit though we will have to see at the draft if they dump him. Rosen could still wind up being good.
 
This is a reasonable move on its face. A proven deep threat, and a guy with a chip on his shoulder. Plenty of NFL tape on him, and the all-22 shows so much more than any stat line. (The deepest guy in the pattern in most offenses is seldom the primary read, and Rivers doesn't like to hold the ball even though he will late in games or when down by 10+.)

There is another factor, too: the cretin former GM fixed cap hell, and created in the process floor hell. There is a minimum every NFL team must spend in a rolling four year period. Others with more league financial knowledge can give details, but for the Raiders this off-season cap room partly means a requirement to get beyond the cap floor.
 
We were in “cap floor hell” for one simple reason: We didn’t have any players left on the roster worth paying.

That was partly Reggies fault and partly Grudens fault.
 
Agree. Surprised and now disappointed... thought there were players that could have been targeted at 24 / 27 / 35 that could have easily filled that role at a small fraction of the price.

I think WR was so bare, getting one who is ready now and FA while also investing a pick is the smart move. Nelson is almost done. If we could groom a guy for a year as the #4 in a complicated offense it would pay dividends later on. Gruden has a tendency of double dipping at a position. I expect WR and DE to follow suit. Great draft to do it in!
 
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I think WR was so bare, getting one who is ready now and FA while also investing a pick is the smart move. Nelson is almost done. If we could groom a guy for a year as the #4 in a complicated offense it would pay dividends later on. Gruden has a tendency of double dipping at a position. I expect WR and DE to follow suit. Great draft to do it in!

I think we should add 5 more receivers.

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I was more surprised to hear that Williams was such a target for Gruock considering this year’s SPARQ-a-lishist WR draft class. Last year Gruden’s worst move was trading for Bryant to take the top off the D. This year he pays a premium to Williams, who had leverage b/c he was the highest rated (non-slot) WR in FA. It does remind us that Gruden puts a premium on vets. And, this year, might be saying: “Guenther, you take ‘em.”

Agree. Surprised and now disappointed... thought there were players that could have been targeted at 24 / 27 / 35 that could have easily filled that role at a small fraction of the price.
Only half the story has been told. I'll reserve judgment on this FA class until the Draft comes to it's conclusion.
 
I just don't get the angst. Guys like Tyler Lockett and Allen Robinson are getting close to what we gave Williams and don't get me started on Sammy Watkins. We had the space and we used it. Most importantly, we used it without compromising future cap flexibility. That's the best of both worlds IMO and, outside of Le'Veon... I'm not sure who else we'd have targeted. A

nd, speaking of Le'Veon I've really got to thinking the last couple of days on whether his running style and Cable's blocking scheme mesh. Le'Veon is a choppy step runner that follows blockers further down the field than most RBs I've seen... not so much a slash and go guy. Missing out on him might have been a blessing in disguise.
 
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