The Todd Downing Thread

Discussion in 'Raiders Discussion' started by Rupert, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Rupert

    Rupert The Long Wind

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    Maybe this is a touch early, but the offensive play calling reminds me of Tom Walsh. We're fortunate that the personnel is significantly better than Art and Tom had, but please, Tony Romo wasn't the only one hitting on a high percentage of play calls.

    Traditionally, you use a small game plan when your offensive personnel are young, inexperienced, new to the team, or bad. That is not the case. So my only guess is the play caller is too young, inexperienced, new to the team, or just plain bad.

    Discuss
     
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  2. sportzfan76

    sportzfan76 Guru Wannabe

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    Something is rotten in Denmark :shakehead:
     
  3. system7

    system7 Well-Known Member

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    E) all of the above.
     
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  4. 1-800-Raider

    1-800-Raider Raider Protection Program

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    - He's one of the very few.... or maybe the only OC in the NFL who "doesn't" (ie not good enough to) script his first 15 plays.... If you can't come up with 15 plays to test different aspects of a defense, exactly what are your qualifications to be an OC?

    - He doesn't believe in having a specific set of play calls to feature certain players. To date, the most effective way to blackball your best WR.... I couldn't even imagine the rumble that would break out on the sidelines in NY or Pitt if their OCs pulled this jv shit with OBJ or Brown....

    - He's slowly following in the footsteps of Ken Norton Jr..... solid position coach who doesn't even have the basics down of what it takes to be a coordinator..... Peter Principle.... defined.

    - He evidently fits the mold of a Jack Del Rio coordinator..... somebody who is clearly not a threat to take Jack's job..... When job security becomes more important than winning.... the end is here.
     
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  5. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    Ted was talking about this on Damien Bruce yesterday. Said Musgrave was able to make adjustments at half time. That's been the major difference. Plus not lining up under center has been an issues. Offense has been so predictable.
     
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  6. JohnQ

    JohnQ Media hater

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    And yet JDR is more of a motivator.Less X's and O's so he MUST have smarter guys.Otherwise WTF.As the HC you have final say but you need 2 smart guys in those spots.What a mess.
     
  7. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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    I still believe many of the problems are due to Downing. Personnel is roughly the same with major regression. We didn't like Musgrave but offense operated at a high level with him. Raiders must get back to their identity. Didn't Raiders employ power scheme and not zone blocking last year? Use the fullback. Use an extra lineman. Stop running out of the shotgun.

    "Offensive coordinator Todd Downing is making the mistake of going away from what worked for the team last season in order to make the offense his own. The Raiders are built and had the identity of power running and the vertical passing game.

    Until quarterback Derek Carrinjured his finger last year, the Raiders ran straight at the defense out of the ‘I’ and used play action to go deep off of it. But now, Downing is continuing to run out of the Shotgun as if Carr’s finger is still injured.

    Despite having the NFL’s biggest, best offensive line made for coming off the ball and mauling defenders, Downing is using the zone-stretch system.

    Downing’s strategy of not using a fullback as much is costing the Raiders in the run game. Opposing linebackers attack downhill as soon as they see the double-team on the nose tackle. Once he gets there there’s no fullback in his way, so Marshawn Lynch as well as the other running back are getting met at the line of scrimmage more often than not. If Lynch couldn’t run over defensive linemen and LB’s the way he has this year, his production would be worse than it is. Lynch still has it, but the Raiders need to give him a running start to get those incredible runs again.

    All the Raiders are getting out of their running game now is an occasional big play from Jalen Richard and that’s only when opposing defenses don’t expect the run.

    The vertical game was back in Oakland when receiver Amari Cooper was drafted in 2015. Yes, he needs to catch the ball whenever and wherever it’s thrown to him. But most of the time these days, we see Cooper on short routes or over the middle. The Raiders need to go back to deep routes and double-moves with him.

    They should make defenses choose between stopping Cooper and Lynch. But opposing defenses are stopping the run and short pass with the same defense these days. Downing hasn’t even used play action on a regular basis so far. So far in 2017, he’s simply going sideways with an offense that’s made to go forward.
     
  8. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Makes you wonder if Musgrave was the strict parent with regard to Carr's influence on the offense and Downing is the one that let's him stay up all night eating candy and watching horror movies. That would explain why Carr apparently advocated for him.
     
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  9. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    I think that's exactly what it is.
     
  10. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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    Young QBs need a hard ass early in their career. Something I can't prove but believe
     
  11. Byron2112

    Byron2112 4.65...

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  12. alteredst8

    alteredst8 Well-Known Member

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  13. Raider Bill

    Raider Bill banned

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    I just want to mention that shotgun zone run play sucks ass..
     
  14. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Hah. Even my wife hates that play.
     
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  15. YodasBeast

    YodasBeast Green Power, Bitches!

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    Yeah, but that's in the bedroom...
     
  16. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    If I called plays in the bedroom like Downing calls plays on the field she'd have left my ass years ago lol...
     
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  17. Byron2112

    Byron2112 4.65...

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    our only running play apparently...
     
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  18. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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  19. Dummy McIdiot

    Dummy McIdiot Well-Known Member

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    Hey Todd the fellas and I saved up and got you some good reading. Enjoy.

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  20. Diceq

    Diceq Tired of hatin...

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    First good laugh I had all day!
     
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