The fucking WARRIORS thread...

Discussion in 'The NBA' started by Madturk, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Be nice to gave a backup PG.

    Livingston mostly backs up Klay and Iguadola at this point.
     
  2. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    Livingston is capable of bringing the ball up and Draymon has played the point forward roll. Not really too concerned as the lineup is stronger overall.
     
  3. gst8

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    I guess that's the question. I'm not sure... continuity and positional need do factor. It's not like we're talking KD vs. Harrison Barnes or anything but still something to consider. I'd like to have a youngin that can eat major minutes at PG or spot start a game here and there. I know, rich people problems right?
     
  4. Madturk

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    I guess if they need some back up help can always bring up someone from the G league.
     
  5. alteredst8

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    I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of the Celtics trade for Irving. I do think he makes us a better team and maybe enough to push past LeBron. Going against Golden St however is not a good match-up.
     
  6. gst8

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    I don't really like it for either team.

    Boston is way weaker defensively giving up Bradley earlier and now Crowder plus Kyrie lacks the heart IT brings to the table. Cleveland basically gets an older, slightly worse defensive version of Kyrie that wants a max contract.
     
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  7. BigTron

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    Makes sense for both teams. Seems like Ainge would rather give Kyrie the max extension at the end of the day (obviously)

    Crowder is on a cheap contract for three years. He plays the 3 and D wing very well. He will play a good 30 minutes there. Helps verse the Warriors should they advance. IT has the balls to play with Lebron but will hurt them on defense. He will help them bigtime with scoring and attitude. He can guard Irving and Curry decently btw. So its not like he will be a terrible mismatch should they advance int he playoffs. he just cant handle the anyone bigger than those small PGs AKA Westbrook would murderize him

    The draft pick was what makes this def good for the Cavs. You have a 25 years old superstar in Kyrie who is a clutch as it gets and can finish and dribble as good as anyone. Hurts losing that. But a top 5 pick, an older smaller all star guard and solid starter is a good return. Especially since Lebron might bolt and their assets are awful. No picks, bad contracts... etc. They turned the disaster around somewhat now should Kyrie and Lebron bolt.

    Also, the Celtics had too many players and not enough spots. Crowder was blocking their young bucks. They have more picks. They did lose some very good defenders in Crowder and Avery tho. Irving is better than IT, but nothing special.

    Poor IT recruited Hayward to Boston haha
     
  8. gst8

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    I dunno about IT guarding Curry and Kyrie. That was Bradley's job. You're right about the pick being the deal maker for Cleveland but they just punched LeBron's ticket out of town with that being the bedt asset. I suppose they could turn around and trade it but the big names have already been moved.

    I guess Boston is looking to Hayward to run the offense for them. IT wasn't exactly John Stockton but Kyrie is terrible in that regard.

    Mostly it feels like things got moved around without a convincing upgrade for either team IMO.
     
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  9. alteredst8

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    Not real worried about the loss of the pick, we are still flush with more than we need including picks that should be lottery picks.

    The loss on the defensive side of the ball hurts but, I think we needed a more consistent scorer. Hopefully Irving can do that for us.

    As far as Haywood goes, I love his addition earlier. Sure IT may have recruited him but, the fans cheering his name all last year I'm sure helped make up his mind. Well that and $$$.. Haywood, Horford, Irving and a few young guns should put us back in the picture for a championship real soon. Just hope Irving can do what he thinks he can do.
     
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  10. gst8

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    In other NBA news, Jerry West came out and said he was basically pushed out.

    That's just bad karma man... don't mess with the Logo.
     
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  11. BigTron

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    I also am pretty high on Kyrie. He could be a better defender. But I think his game will improve without Lebron commanding/controlling the ball all game. Think I read somewhere his usage rate was way lower than most star PG's etc.

    I dont think either team got robbed tho. Def a wild ass trade. Good thing IT and Kyrie seem to be staying in the east. I expect Brooklyn to be ass awful and a top 3 pick.
     
  12. gst8

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    His usage was top 5 among PGs (top 10 overall) and pretty close to the pack save Westbrook, who annihilated the single season record. IT was a couple of points higher but Hayward was way higher than Bradley so it should even out.

    IT and Kyrie were really close in almost all advanced stats. It really comes down to intangibles (IT) vs. age (Kyrie).
     
  13. BigTron

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    See I wouldn't base everything off last year because that was I.Thomas best one by far. He was def killing it last year. Kyrie only had a slightly less good season and he shared the ball with Lebron. Kyrie actually shot better in all three categories and was equal with Thomas in assist. Irving also has better career numbers, a better injury history, contract situation and size for defense. Thomas is major liability on the defensive end against certain guards. Kyrie is 6'3 and Thomas is 5'8. That matters. Lets not forget Thomas is three years older. I really like Thomas for his gusto and attitude. But Kyrie is pretty clutch. He put a dagger in GS Warriors fans hearts and always scared us shitless in the finals (biggest stage) Thats why Boston had to throw in all the extra shit for Irvin. Not sure how the Cavs got so much with such little leverage.

    Career:

    Thomas
    19.9 ppg - 2.3 TO- 1 steal - 5.2 assists - 2.6 rebounds - .443/.367/.878

    Irving
    21.6 - 2.7 TO - 1.3 steals 5.6 assists- 3.4 rebounds - .457/.383/.873