Discussion in 'Major League Baseball' started by CrossBones, Dec 14, 2015.
What we learned: Giants' free fall potentially historic
1. Giants' second-half collapse starting to feel epic in nature. For a team that supposedly just knows how to win -- three World Series titles in six seasons! -- they've apparently forgotten how to win. It's almost like what has happened in the past hasn't really affected the current season. After their epic blown save Tuesday night, the Giants responded with a 3-1 loss to the Padres as Luis Perdomo outpitched Madison Bumgarner. They scored just five runs in the three-game series, and the Padres swept them in San Francisco for the first time since May 2010. The Giants fell to 20-35 since the All-Star break, including 5-8 in September. They're hitting .217/.288/.339 this month, with Buster Posey, Brandon Crawford, Angel Pagan and Denard Span all under .200.
I threw this out on Twitter: If the Giants fade from the best record at the All-Star break to missing the playoffs altogether, how would that rank on the all-time list of collapses? Some nominees that were suggested:
2014 A's: They had MLB's best record at the break at 59-36 and went 29-38 in the second half. That .433 winning percentage is still better than the Giants' .364 mark. Plus, the A's at least held on for a wild card (though they squandered a late lead in the wild-card game to the Royals).
2012 Rangers: They had the second-best record at the break, a half-game behind the Yankees, and went 41-35 in the second half. What they did was blow a four-game division lead to the A's with six to play, although they also advanced to the wild-card game.
2011 Red Sox: One of the great September collapses, the Red Sox began the month 1½ games up in the AL East and nine games up in the wild card over the Rays. They went 7-20 and lost out on a playoff berth on that dramatic final day of the season.
2011 Braves: They had the NL's second-best record at the break and an 8½-game lead in the wild card entering September, before going 9-18 the final month and missing the playoffs. Certainly one of the bigger September collapses in history.
2007 Mets: Another late collapse more than a slow fade, the Mets blew a 7-game lead over their final 17 games, including a 1-6 record over their final seven games. They did miss the playoffs in the one-wild-card era.
1995 Angels: They held a 10½-game lead in the division on Aug. 15 and soon went on a 6-24 stretch that included two nine-game losing streaks. They actually finished over .500 in the second half, but missed the postseason when they lost a one-game tiebreaker to the Mariners.
1978 Red Sox: The long, slow, torturous collapse. The Red Sox peaked with a 10-game lead on July 8 and were up nine games a day later at the All-Star break, with a 57-26 record. To be fair, this was more about the Yankees getting red hot. The Red Sox went 42-38 in the second half and actually won their final eight games to force the famous tiebreaker game with the Yankees.
1969 Cubs: They were 61-37 (.622) at the break and went 31-33 after that as the Miracle Mets soared past them to win the NL East. Still, 31-33 is a better than 20-35.
It's important to note that some of those earlier teams didn't have a wild-card spot to fall back on, let alone two. That's what makes this potential collapse a different beast. At the break, when FiveThirtyEight projected their playoff odds at 96 percent, the Giants were on pace to win 102 games. Now they're at 77 wins with 17 left to play (although still have playoff odds of 66 percent).
The good news: The Mets and Cardinals also lost Wednesday, so the Giants retain their wild-card lead, a half-game over the Mets and a full game over the Cardinals. And Thursday, they begin a four-game series against St. Louis. Of course, Giants fans would argue that this wouldn't even be the biggest collapse in the Bay Area this year. The Warriors, after all, lost a 3-1 lead in the NBA Finals.
Looks like Bochy has outlived his usefulness too.
A decent organization would have let the Dodgers win on Vin Scully's last game.
So he went out a loser just like the Dodgers.
A sweep. How cool is that?
Not really that cool at all.It's Vin Freakin Scully.Sheesh.No wonder no one likes Giants fans.
Bing bang boom.
The Dream Lives!!!!!!
@hawaiianboy @Madturk @doug7dust
But But but East Coast game.How?What?
MadBum best post season pitcher ever.
In case you guys missed it @hawaiianboy @CrossBones
I think @Madturk fucked it up. So, here:
Sorry rough night last night
Wonder if Lester choke like he did back in 2014...
That had to sting a little.
Conflicted: glad to see the Cubs win, but still... Lester, WHERE WERE THE **** WERE YOU IN 2014?!?