Positional Analysis...

[Chris_77]

damn this is a little late to be rehashing. But you do understand that what renaldo hill was signed for and what charles woodson was signed for arent even in the same ballpark. Yes if your services come cheap, you're going to get snagged immediately. Levar arrington had a long wait himself, is he garbage too? what julian peterson? i'll be the first to admit that all Postons asking prices are too fucking high. But trying to compare that scenario as if renaldo got snagged faster for his talent is a little naive and skewed narrow in the vision department. You're telling me if he even asked for half of what woodson was asking he'd get signed immediately. Even Phillip Buchanon can get 6 million over 3 years(dont ask me why but he can).

I'm fully aware of the salary difference between the two signings. However, this was one of the most free spending off-season’s we've seen in a long time (see your Buchanon example) and I have to believe that Woodson would have been signed out of the gate if he was really valued around the league. All three players you mention, other that being represented by the Potsons, come with major question marks (injuries, attitude problems, and etcetera) and are considered to be on the downside of their respective careers. The reason Miami signed Hill so quickly is because they saw what he did in Oakland for pennies on the $ and jumped all over it. Agree to disagree though… it’s all good.

 

[RaiderIVlife]

Actually Hill signed for decent money if memory serves me correct and you're point about teams NOT jumping on Woodson is correct.

Woodson had to settle for GB, let's face facts. How much non-guarenteed money is in the GB / Woodson deal?

 

[Chris_77]

How much non-guarenteed money is in the GB / Woodson deal?

Not one penny after this season.

His "payday" is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Seraph24]

Actually Hill signed for decent money if memory serves me correct and you're point about teams NOT jumping on Woodson is correct.

Woodson had to settle for GB, let's face facts. How much non-guarenteed money is in the GB / Woodson deal?

he wanted top corner money with teams wanting him to play safety from time to time. not to mention he had injury prone issues. so yea investing in a player thats had injury troubles on the level he requested isnt smart no matter who he is. you act like teams passed on him because he sucked. not the case at all. his money is non-guarenteed because his health is non-guarenteed. Shit, if he hadnt got hurt the past few years we might have paid him the money he wanted. it never worked out like that though.

and hill's deal was 6 million for 3 years. roughly 2 million a year on average. thats not decent, its dirt cheap. thus of course he got signed early.

i dont get why people try to act like teams passed on woodson because of talent. they didnt want to pay him for the same reason we didnt. because he's been injured too much. that was the main reason.

proof: last year ty law had to wait forever to get signed his damn self. was it because he sucked? no. was it because he was coming off an injury? damn right yes.

but i see you guys just plain hate woodson on a personal level so i'll just let ya'll be. Enjoy the bashings. but atleast get over hill. no need to overrate him because you hate chuck. he did an ok job, but he is nothing i will miss. I wont miss woodson either , but i respect what he brought to our team for several seasons and dont see it as myths and mediocrity as some might try to. I know what i saw out on the field.

I'm happy with huff though. I hope he can truly be the best SS we've had in a long time.

 

[Crossbones]

I think the simple fact is that teams didn't think Charles Woodson was worth the money and risk. His play and injury status the last 3-4 years have been a major concern. I too believe that this notion of teams being afraid to throw at Woodson was a myth. It simply wasn't the case and they had a lot of success throwing to his side. Charles was a lot more effective at the quasi safety position he was playing most recently mostly because of his tackling and run support abilities. fact is he wasn't able to stay on the field and the Radiers need players who can stay healthy. we'll see if Sam Williams can finally stay healthy or I think this will be his last year too.

No, I don't think many teams feel/felt Woodson is a top corner any longer and most certainly not worth top dollar in the NFL. Green Bay? Look at that team. It's a mess.

 

[Angry Pope]

Sims.......

It's gotta be the coaches -- Oakland was an AFC-worst 13-35 over the past three seasons. The offensive line deleted veteran guard Ron Stone and didn't add anyone of note. But guard Barry Sims believes the new coaching staff, led by Hall of Fame head man Art Shell, will make a huge difference up front.

"We've got three O-line coaches [Shell and assistants Jackie Slater and Irv Eatman] with 50 years' experience and two Hall of Famers [Shell and Slater], so there's really not a whole lot of excuses that will really work," Sims said. "Those guys have seen everything and done everything. I think the offensive line will be much improved from the previous few years. And any time you have an offensive line that can be productive, your team's going to be more productive."

 

[Rupert]

A bit about Woodson. It was very obvious teams didn't like throwing his way early in his career. That changed later in his career. Why?

The answer is simple, they watched film. They noticed Woodson's coverage got looser as the ball stayed away from him. So they knew they could work away from Woodson, not even look in his direction, and he'd lose interest. Soon his guy was open every down, and Woodson had to re-acquire his dedication to the game. By then they'd beaten him several times on critical downs and for TD's.

People (myself included) have bagged on Woodson for not studying film more often. It would have allowed him to be as lazy as he wound up being. The alternative was to keep tight coverage no matter how long they looked away. Woodson wouldn't do either. So his star fell, and his value fell, while his contract demands remained high.

In my opinion, that's the book on Charles: Potential Allowed to Wither.

 

[RaiderIVlife]

The Charles Woodson Lobby always has the same refrain when confronted with facts:

"we don't like Charles Woodson" Whaaaaaa. Cry me a freakin' river. It has nothing to do with me being a "palyer hater". The dude is overated, overpaid and oft-injured.

Weak.

 

[Seraph24]

The Charles Woodson Lobby always has the same refrain when confronted with facts:

"we don't like Charles Woodson" Whaaaaaa. Cry me a freakin' river. It has nothing to do with me being a "palyer hater". The dude is overated, overpaid and oft-injured.

Weak.

wow i left this alone and you figure to bash me then? funny. You didnt give any facts to him being anything but injury prone. Also if i let this go and you're starting a pissy fit about a supposed woodson lobby. wouldnt that river of tears be from yourself? no offense intended, i just dont get the aggressive hypocrisy out of nowhere. Call someone a woodson lover for saying he's better than renaldo hill isn't really all that straight and narrow. Either way, the cat is gone and so is Hill. Fuck them both, i honestly hope he gets injured again for not wanting to be here. And hill's douche ass isnt someone i'm about to covet so highly because he racked up a bunch of tackles beyond the line of scrimmage last year rather than turnovers. they both can eat it personally. Woodson was overpaid, and injury prone (oddly enough the latter is what made him overpaid). but acting like he sucked out there is silly IMO. Acting like he was the greatest thing to touch a football is also silly. I'm just saying he was definately better than Hill and we made better plays and was capable of causing more turnovers.
Now if you disagree, cool. But can we move on now?

 

[RaiderIVlife]

Dude, relax. It's a discussion amongst men about a (overated) player.

I stand by my assesment. Charles Woodson has problems with injuries AND motivation IMO. For the occaisional game of brilliance against a Randy Moss, he would get beat consistently on 3rd down by 2nd tier players and we all KNOW what Terrell Owens and Drew Bennett did to his ass.

No one here has said he "sucked", you're projecting an opinion. I do stand by my opinion that he's is overated however.

Perhaps you don't fall into this bunch, but MANY "CWOOD" supporters have accused me of "player hating" etc.

BTW - Sapp had as many INT's in 2005 as did Charles Woodson. Bwahahahaha

P.S. - It's cool. We're just debating.

Lastly, He's a GREEN BAY PACKER now, NOT a Raider so in the end, it's all moot I guess.

 

[Seraph24]

Dude, relax. It's a discussion amongst men about a (overated) player.

then kill the childish side remarks and the false idea that i'm tripping about your issues with woodson. first you say that no one gives proof to dispute your take on woodson as you give no hard evidence. now you drop amongst men comments while sticking as much childish side comments as possible. look up hypocrisy if you have time. either way i'll just lurk if you're going to be an ass about nothing and make up false machoism talk about being a man when you really haven't behaved like one.

I came here for Muff's great articles and finds. I'll still involve myself in the trivia Angel, but i'm straight on dealing with these antics.

Enjoy your weekend regardless man.

 

[Crossbones]

I'm not sure why we can't talk about Woodson without everybody reading something into it. But then it's kinda always been like that.

He wa a good Raider. Some want to think he was a great Raider. To each his own.

Calm down guys. It's just discussion.

 

[XLRaider]

Anybody else notice that the article claimed that Gibson was our starting safety last year? Didn't he go on IR in the preseason? Or was that in '04? I know he didn't play much.

IMO, the key to both units will be the lines. As always, if we can control the line of scrimmage, we'll have our share of sucess. If not,....well let's just not think about that.

 

[Rupert]

Gibson was our starting SS for a couple games. I can't remember how long he lasted 5 or 6 games, but it wasn't long. The reason I'm certain it was the regular season was because I remember him playing, and I didn't get to see a single pre-season game last year.