***Official Day 3 Draft Thread***(2015)

Oakland Raiders
Analysis: I was surprised they passed on Leonard Williams in the first round to take Amari Cooper. I like Cooper, but I liked Williams more. I'm not sure about the rest of their draft after Walford.

Grade: C-
What a weak review. As fans, we aren't sure either. Few of us have even heard of these guys. But if you are going to put a grade on a draft, do you're fucking home work and have an opinion. His take is code for I didn't do enough work to know WTF I'm talking about after Round 4 unless somebody else fed me BS to regurgitate. Typical mediot draftnic speak.
 
I've seen Simms play. Dude has no idea what's going on.
Personally, I don't see how you can remotely give Edwards an "A" grade. Too much speculation as to whether he'll even show up. Yes, it could turn out that way. But more likely he's a "C."

Thought Williams had the better analysis. Judge two things: (1) Cooper/Edwards (Raiders) v. Williams/Smith (Jets) and (2) Edwards (Raiders) v. Smith (Washington). Ultimately, that will tell the value of this pick.

Red could have easily gone the route the Jets went with their 1st two picks or the way Washington went with its 2nd. In fact, that is what the talking heads expected Red to do. So, unless you are confident in a positive answer to these questions, I don't see how Edwards could warrant an "A" grade.
 
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Cooper +Edwards vs Williams+D.Smith will be a big debate for years IMO.

When Cooper catches 9 for 129 in week 1, people will forget in a hurry.
 
Outside of Cooper, I liked the Warford, McDonald and Valles picks a lot.

And that Big Mo tackle looks like a beast.

Lets hope some of these late guys come in hungry.

I love the fact Valles is 20 years old. Dude has a ton of upside.

I pretty much concur. Warming up to Feliciano. Tice loved the guy and he has a chance to start. I'm also starting to warm up to the Mario Edwards pick. Liked the Debose pick as he is an electrifying returner.

Mopancakes may be my favorite pick outside of Coop.

Ball was a head scratcher. Heeney am on the fence about.

Overall addressed some needs. Would have liked to have added another edge guy. a RB and some safety help. Solid if unspectacular draft.


B grade
 
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Can Big Mo be the guy we are grooming to replace Penn? IMO Penn is a serviceable guy, but needs to be upgraded sooner than later. Video on Big Mo is very encouraging, can he move to LT? He might be my favorite pick...
 
Cooper +Edwards vs Williams+D.Smith will be a big debate for years IMO.

When Cooper catches 9 for 129 in week 1, people will forget in a hurry.
Thing is, Edwards projects to be/do (base DE + interior pass rush) what some people said they wanted Williams to do here. In this regard, Edwards is a better fit. Also hopeful that the gap between Cooper and Smith is bigger than any gap between Williams as Edwards.
 
Cause Williams is more of a 5-Tech. Sure he can play DE, and slide inside, but that's not his best use (IMO). He would have played more UT in the base D if he was here.
 
Cause Williams is more of a 5-Tech. Sure he can play DE, and slide inside, but that's not his best use (IMO). He would have played more UT in the base D if he was here.

All contingent on how he maintains his weight. If he balloons again then he is better suited to the Warren Sapp UT role.
 
All contingent on how he maintains his weight. If he balloons again then he is better suited to the Warren Sapp UT role.

I think this weight thing is overblown, apparently at Fla St he didn't have a set weight, they told him as long as you perform, you can be any weight you want.

Not like that in the pros, they get put on a scale every week to make sure they are in the correct weight range. If you are over weight, you can get fined.

See Potroast.....and his 1 year contract.
 
I think this weight thing is overblown, apparently at Fla St he didn't have a set weight, they told him as long as you perform, you can be any weight you want.

Not like that in the pros, they get put on a scale every week to make sure they are in the correct weight range. If you are over weight, you can get fined.

See Potroast.....and his 1 year contract.

Oh it wasn't meant to be a negative just highest and best use
 
Oh it wasn't meant to be a negative just highest and best use

From everything I read, he is much, much better at the under 290 range.

That being said, he was putting on bad weight when he got over 3 bills, he may be able to get there with a little better muscle to fat ratio and play well at that weight. He was just straight up fat.
 
Already posted this but it may have got lost in the shuffle...


Can slimmer, motivated Mario Edwards Jr. convince NFL he's first-round material?



The morning of the NFL draft, Mario Edwards Jr. will look at himself in the mirror, just as he’s done every morning since declaring for the draft. He’ll pose a question to his reflection, knowing he doesn’t have a satisfying answer.

“Why did I take so long?”

The former Florida State defensive lineman, who entered the draft after his junior season, is 6-foot-3 and weighs 279 pounds and is in such good shape he spent pro day wearing the football equivalent of spandex. It’s a stark contrast to where he was less than a year ago.

The last draft-eligible No. 1 high school prospect was Jadeveon Clowney, who was drafted first overall in 2014. Edwards, who succeeded Clowney as ESPN RecruitingNation’s No. 1 recruit, isn’t following the same trajectory. Instead, Edwards’ name draws varying opinions. There’s talk of him sneaking into the second half of the first round or falling all the way to the end of the second day.

“I was an all-about-me player and not about the team,” Edwards said, “and I had to learn it wasn’t about me and support my teammates. I’m the guy that does my job that you don’t have to worry about.”

Still, NFL teams will worry. In pre-draft workouts, Edwards outperformed most other linemen and was one of the biggest risers to come from the combine. But central to the pre-draft process is convincing teams the weight will stay off. Edwards weighed 276 pounds at the Rose Bowl and 272 at pro day. He’s at 279 now. That question is put to bed, he said.

Training with EXOS, a health and performance consulting company, Edwards worked with dietician and performance nutritionist Bob Calvin. Calvin said Edwards was motivated to change his eating habits, which consisted of about 80 percent of his calories coming from poor food choices.

Calvin heard all the right things from Edwards, but he still had to see whether Edwards was applying it. One of the ways Calvin gauges a player's level of sincerity is if they're eating vegetables at breakfast and eschewing sugary drinks for water. That’s exactly what Edwards was doing on a daily basis, and he was ending nights with Caesar salads and sweet potatoes.

“He made upgrades in his habits and saw the rewards and benefits,” Calvin said.

Weekdays at EXOS before the draft have also consisted of four workouts. Edwards was in the top linemen group, joined by potential first-round picksDante Fowler Jr., Cam Erving and D.J. Humphries. Edwards said he wasn’t the quintessential teammate early in his Florida State career, but EXOS performance specialist Stefan Underwood said he has been a valuable asset in group settings during training.

“He elevated the people around him,” Underwood said. “He was there to work and brought a business mentality.”

Because of his size, Edwards is being looked at as a 4-3 defensive end -- he said he’ll play end in either scheme or even stand up as a linebacker -- which means he’ll have to improve his pass rush. For the past month, Edwards has worked with three-time Pro Bowl left tackle Tra Thomas.

Edwards and Thomas worked on the rookie’s stance and spin moves. The two watched film and Thomas offered insight into the tricks that annoy offenses most. There was no lack of motivation, Thomas said.

“He’ll give a lot of O-linemen fits,” Thomas said. “He’s going to be a huge success.”

On draft morning, Edwards might not have an answer for himself when he looks in the mirror, but he knows the person staring back is here to stay.

How does he know?

“I love what I see in the morning now.”
 
Cause Williams is more of a 5-Tech.

You talk like he is limited to a two gap 5 tech spot... He'll be used as an attacking 1 tech 5 in NY's scheme, which is awfully similar to a 3tech in a 43...

He would have played more UT in the base D if he was here.

Which most of the free world viewed as his get out of jail, wreck havoc best fit...
 
All contingent on how he maintains his weight. If he balloons again then he is better suited to the Warren Sapp UT role.
Did Edwards balloon up 'cause he was lazy or 'cause he was asked to play inside in a new D scheme? I thought RO said it was the later. Regardless, I'm guessing the Raiders are confident that he'll be at 280/285 lbs.
 
Did Edwards balloon up 'cause he was lazy or 'cause he was asked to play inside in a new D scheme? I thought RO said it was the later. Regardless, I'm guessing the Raiders are confident that he'll be at 280/285 lbs.

He ballooned up because he was pigging out. But Fla St didn't seem to mind. You could see it was bad weight, if a team wants you to get bigger, its mainly thru weights, not Chilpotle. The question is, if Fla St had a weight limit on him, would he have still been undisciplined? Thats when its a problem.
 
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