Looking to next year

Discussion in 'Raiders Discussion' started by Langlier, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. Langlier

    Langlier Settle Down... RIP Willie

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    So we know this team is young and we've got some players at some positions.

    On O

    90+% chance these guys will be here starting next year

    TE - Waller
    LT - Miller
    C - Hudson
    RT - Brown
    RB - Jacobs
    FB - Ingold
    WR3 - Renfrow

    75%+ chance these guys are coming back
    WR - Williams
    QB - Carr
    LG - Incognito
    RG - Jackson

    Leaving WR1/2 completely open

    On D

    90+%
    DE - Crosby
    DT - Hankins
    CB - Mullen
    SS - Abram
    DE - Ferrell
    CB - Worley

    75+%
    LB - Whitehead
    DT - Hurst/Hall

    Less than 50%
    S - Joseph
    LB - Burfict
    NB - Joyner
    LB - Morrow

    K/P/LS are fine. Could be upgraded but aren't needs

    That said we need to find a way to manufacture some D. More then just the players. I might be leading the charge to move on from Guenther. That said. Todays game - not his fault. He did his job against KC - we just put him against shitty odds/situations. We need "that guy" at WR. Luckily this draft has a bunch of em.
     
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  2. cruedi

    cruedi Well-Known Member

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    our kicker sucks. But as I’ve said, package our picks and trade up for a qb. The biggest problem with Carr the last 2 weeks is now no other team will trade for him
     
  3. PDX Raider

    PDX Raider Well-Known Member

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    Agree with most of this. Few quibbles: not sure Jackson one Whitehead should be that high. Both have been bad this year. Jackson because he’s been hurt and Whitehead because he’s just bad. Same with morrow. I could see three new LBs here.
     
  4. Langlier

    Langlier Settle Down... RIP Willie

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    I don't think we are a base 3 LB team. So 2 new LBs could be in the cards.
     
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  5. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    I actually think we’d do well moving to a 3-4. None of our defensive linemen are shoot the gap types and Crosby could probably be fine as a rush linebacker. It’s easier to find pass rushers to fit too.
     
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  6. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    Ferrell probably a better fit as 3-4 DE as well
     
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  7. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    Gruden loves Guenther tho...
     
  8. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah just spitballing...
     
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  9. PDX Raider

    PDX Raider Well-Known Member

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    He loved Mack, and Cooper too.
     
  10. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    True, but they were never actually buddies. That love was not reciprocated...
     
  11. phxraida15

    phxraida15 Well-Known Member

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    He loves Carrbage too, maybe we’re on to something here.
     
  12. 007

    007 Commitment To Excrement

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    "We will go as far as our QB will take us"

    -007

    All the other positions and signings/trades/picks are secondary to me until we develop a plan to fix the main position.

    Otherwise its all treading water and flirting with 8-8 every now and again.
     
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  13. BigTron

    BigTron Well-Known Member

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    Gabe Jackson - He makes 9 million next year and has been very bad this season. He's obviously still working his way back in shape after injury. But being so often injured will put his job in danger this offseason. Zach Martin makes 14 million & Brooks from Philly 15 million. Thats top guard salary. 9 million isn't super terrible if Mayock believes Gabe can bounce back to his high level bullying. The thinking would have to be "why open up another hole on the OL when you have Richie Incognito as a FA" (who is one headbutt away from being out of the league.) Interior OL moves will be dicey this offseason. No dead cap money tho if Gabe gone, just another need to fill. Jacksons future will likely depend on his play the rest of the season IMO. If he can look good down the stretch and get back too healthy he might stick. If he gets injured or keeps getting beat he's getting cut or traded (unlikely) I don't know if the Raiders need his $ for other players enough BUT Prediction: Cut

    LaMarcus Joyner - Mayock can move on with no dead cap space. His play hasn't lived up to the contract. I think Joyner is a good player when used right but I could see him being replaced. He is due 4.6 million with an 8 million bonus = 12 million in cap space. His only chance of survival is this horrid secondary. Abram coming off injury and Worley a FA. Joyner would be useful at FS and NCB if he wasn't tasked with covering larger opponents every game. Gonna be hard to hide our little DB's like Abram, Joyner AND Kujo (who is a FA) I think Joyner will be dismissed and replaced with someone cheaper and younger moving forward. He is a leader in the locker room tho, so you never know. Prediction: Cut

    Derek Carr -
    Carr is a slightly above average NFL QB. And thats regular season only. I think we all have serious concerns how he would perform against star QB's in the playoffs and beyond. He has never shown the ability to be a dangerous playmaker who shreds defenses consistently. Thats a tough bar, but not a goal the Raiders shouldn't have. When you see Gruden light up talking about MaHolmes or Watson etc its obvious he knows Derek isn't on that level. Gruden probably likes Carr very much and wants to keep him around only until he finds someone better. The Raiders have 4 winnable games coming up & Oakland has a realistic shot at making a playoff game with 4 straight wins. I don't think Carr should get any excuses. If he cant get these wins or at least play very well in all four closing games its time to replace him. Im not saying he cant go to Vegas next year. Im saying we are looking at a Tua / Burrow type. I think Carr is safe bc cutting an above average QB who works well with the HC is bad business moving to Las Vegas year one. Doing everything you can to upgrade him thru the draft can be unrelated. Tua is injured and would likely need a year. No need to rush anyone into action. This roster is still terrible compared to the top NFL teams. Be honest with yourself about that. This defense needs a ton of bodies to be average or SB worthy. The offense has some bright spots moving forward for a young QB, but we still need WR's and interior OL, back-up RB. If Carr plays well the rest of the season he should be fine. If he flops vs Tenn, JAX, Denver, SD... we may see him traded or straight up dumped for J.Winston or Mariota on the cheap one year rental. These last few games have been dreadful and uninspiring tho. Im officially over it. Prediction: Headed to Vegas barring a late season meltdown

    Kujo -
    Though for sure he'd be gone next year. But he started improving his play and then got injured. I could see him maybe coming back on a cheap deal. He is a solid player I just think having Kujo, Joyner & Abram is a death kiss of shortness verse TE's etc. I def dont see all three coming back. Prediction: Not re-signed

    Morrow -
    I think Morrow is cheap enough to resign as a depth/spot player. He has some good traits is his just being asked to do too much. Id keep him over Whitehead. Prediction: re-signed for cheap as RFA

    Whitehead -
    I like the guy, but his play is back-up spot player only. In no world do we pay him 6 million next year. Prediction: 100% Cut

    Worley -
    He shouldn't break the bank. Young and gives good effort. Worth a keeping as a border corner, maybe better used as a chess piece than a starter. Probably worth low end starter money however. Prediction: re-signed

    Incognito & Burfict -
    Neither of these knuckleheads should be trusted. Neither will ask for much money tho and can be counted on as cheap veterans who play well still. They should not be trusted to play all 16 games. Id pencil them in as high level back-ups. Richie will play until the wheels fall off. He is still doing great on the field. He has 1-2 years left as a starter. But not having another capable starter and expecting him to play 16 games would be 100% stupid. We need 3 starting guards between Incognito & Gabe being untrustworthy. This is a low key area of need for the Raiders. Especially since I think Gabe is gone. We may need to re-sign Richie and find two long starters in the draft/FA pool. Burfict is still worth a back-up ILB spot IMO. Again, bottom of the roster, low money salary for him. He has no leverage. But is better than some 7th rounder who cant play. This is how you build depth. He is not 30 years old yet. Limit his snaps next season. Prediction: Both re-signed

    Mayowa -
    I think it would be stupid to move on from this guy. You can never have enough pass rushers and he won't break the bank. Still young enough to be here for a few years. For some reason the coaches under played him this year? That might be a bad sign moving forward but Im predicting what I think is smart bc I believe Mayock is smart. Prediction: Re-signed 2-3 years fair contract

    N.Lawson, Wilbur, T.Davis, J.Mauro, C.Riley, McClain, D.Washington, Sharpe -
    See no reason to re-sign any of these dudes really. Mauro is ok depth I suppose. Prediction: Goodbye fellas

    D.Good & Devey - Im interested to see how we feel about these guys. Two very solid depth OL. Prediction: Both re-signed for depth

    D.Harris -
    Something tells me this dude is gonna keep sticking around. His play is always reliable. Prediction: One more year


    The Raiders have a decent amount of cap room. So they dont NEED to make roster needs by cutting players like Gabe, Carr, Joyner & Kujo... but good teams would pay those guys what they are worth. So maybe some salary cap adjustments might be in order moving forward to keep certain guys aboard. Vegas has no taxes.

    Needs moving forward:

    O:
    Star QB, #1 WR, #2 RB, OG
    D: Stud DE pass rusher, DT, ILB, OLB, #1 CB, FS (everything)

    Good thing we have money and picks. This team still needs a ton of shit :raiderbag::rain_cloud:
     
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  14. Dummy McIdiot

    Dummy McIdiot Nincompoop

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    Why? If he loves Gunther he in turn hates the Raiders. None of this makes any sense.
     
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  15. Dummy McIdiot

    Dummy McIdiot Nincompoop

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    FIFY
     
  16. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    It wouldn’t be a bad idea to put the softest pillow possible under the new QB’s head though.

    Do everything you can to set him up for instant success.

    Plus you can have him on the cheap while the team around him is already (at least for the most part) in place.
     
  17. boknowsvt

    boknowsvt A Noble Spirit Embiggens The Smallest Man

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    If we keep Carr, we have the NFC South to play next year. The weather shouldn’t be too bad. But if the standings stay the way they are now, we have to play Pittsburgh and may have to go to NE, Buff, or NY in possible shitty weather. Not to mention possible late season games in Denver and KC. Our schedule is going to be brutal next year.
     
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  18. Madturk

    Madturk Barry McCockinner

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    Its brutal every year Bo. I'm not sure it can get much worse than what we had the first half of this season. And with the easiest part of our schedule to finish the year, we are shitting the bed. You play the hand that's dealt to you.
     
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  19. Madturk

    Madturk Barry McCockinner

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    He's been getting abused since he got back from injury. Our back ups were playing better than him. I'd kick the tires on Brandon Scherff in the offseason.
     
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  20. Bunyan

    Bunyan Don't Tread on Me

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    Agree with your needs list.
    However, other than the QB, we really need a bunch of LINEBACKERS.
     
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