Is Derek Carr the QB of the future?

Well, is he?

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Yeah Carr is the shit my bad.

Coop needs to make more plays.

NFL record 2.9 ypa for 100 yards. On what 40 passes?

That's on Coop catching those 5 yard passes and not taking them all for taters.

Criticism is allowed. Carr was ass tonight. Ever since he hurt his winky he has been off.
 
007 said:
Yeah Carr is the shit my bad.

Coop needs to make more plays.

NFL record 2.9 ypa for 100 yards. On what 40 passes?

That's on Coop catching those 5 yard passes and not taking them for taters.
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I'm not propping up Carr after that performance. The guy played like shit. I still think he's really good.

Same way I think Coop is still really good after he drops a ball or has a bad game.

All players fuck up here and there. All good teams have shitty games too.

The fact that it's week 14 and this is the first real Carr meltdown on BR.net shows how far we'be come.

Things are pretty good.
 
14 weeks is pretty amazing for sure. 10-3 speaks for itself. Dude has been a stud.

And don't get me wrong Coop has disappeared to end a season two years in a row. Injuries, Stamina, concentration, chemistry, who knows.

I just think it's mostly other people's fault. He hasn't stopped getting open IMO.
 
s.dot88 said:
I'm not propping up Carr after that performance. The guy played like shit. I still think he's really good.

Same way I think Coop is still really good after he drops a ball or has a bad game.

All players fuck up here and there. All good teams have shitty games too.

The fact that it's week 14 and this is the first real Carr meltdown on BR.net shows how far we'be come.

Things are pretty good.
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hell the division is still up for grabs with a little luck. We are going to the playoffs come hell or high-water and when we clinch I won't care where we are seeded.
 
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007 said:
14 weeks is pretty amazing for sure. 10-3 speaks for itself. Dude has been a stud.

And don't get me wrong Coop has disappeared to end a season two years in a row. Injuries, Stamina, concentration, chemistry, who knows.

I just think it's mostly other people's fault. He hasn't stopped getting open IMO.
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I've sat out of the "always open" talks because it's hard to argue against an offense that is humming. I also feel like there's a lot of things going on each play that we don't know.

Where in the progression does Cooper fall, is he open on time with his progression/step/read, is there a defensive key on the play, are the reads before Coop in the progression getting open, is the coverage on Cooper dictating the ball go elsewhere, is the coverage that the defense is in leaving a different WR in a better position to make a play, etc.

If Carr was taking sacks or throwing the ball away while Cooper is running free in front of him, that's a problem. But I don't mind when the ball is getting spread around and we're putting up 30 points a game.

I do think that Coop's number should be called more. And if he's being taken away by defensive schemes, our coaches need to scheme to get him the ball.
 
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I'm not a receiver coach obviously and can only judge by snippets on Twitter or by watching live or online or when we are lucky enough to get some All 22 footage on YouTube etc (I first noticed this whole thing when Peters apparently shut Cooper down but the All 22 told a completely different story and someone posted it to Reddit the dude was running free all game. I wondered how a guy can be so open and not get the ball and started watching more closesly)

I'm on the other side of the fence as you though. I stayed out of Carr arguments because we were 10-2 and putting up 30 a game and he has been a clutch performer in damn near every game. I've grown into a fan of his for the most part but I have one HUGE criticism that people seem to get upset about wherever I post it.

I don't think he goes through progressions like the better QBs who can quickly scan from right to left and find the right guy.

I see Carr take a shotgun snap and use his cream of the crop arm talent to stuff it into his first read, usually Crabtree or lately Roberts.

Take a step back and think when do you really seen him scan a field and go through 2-3-4 progressions? In a clean pocket when a play hasn't broken down?

Thankfully he is adept at pre snap reads, he's super smart, very accurate and has arguably the best combo of release and arm talent in the NFL to make up for a few small shortcomings.
 
I hear you. Carr isn't back there checking in on every route every play. It may sound like an excuse, but a lot of the offense isn't designed to do that.

I feel like we use a lot of spread ideas and basic passing concepts on a lot of plays. A lot of quick hitting stuff like smash, slant-flat, mills, triangle, stick, etc.

The common theme in a lot of those is that you aren't so much reading your guys as much as you are figuring out which defender to key on pre-snap and letting his actions make your decision. It's simple stuff that kids can do on Madden all day, but it's not as easy in real life.

When that happens, the QB usually gets the ball out quick, it's typically not a long pass and it looks like the QB is throwing to his first read a lot. That's why we see so many passes to Roberts in the flats, coming over the middle or on deeper outs; defenses are giving us Roberts 1-1 to key in on Coop and Crab.

If you noticed tonight that when Carr was throwing slants, a LB from the middle of the field was already breaking towards the WR and came close to a few balls early on. What I took from that was that KC was pretty clear on the concepts and baiting Carr into a couple decisions and it might have spooked him a bit. He avoided the middle of the field a lot late in the game (a lot like he did the first time we played KC) and almost was waiting for his check down at times. And if he wasn't throwing up the sidelines he was trying to hit something crossing over the middle. I took that as him being confused and avoiding a turnover, and it killed the offense. He lost confidence and it was bad.

There's a few times where he sits back and scans, and has made some nice plays out of those; a lot of those actually end up going to Cooper (which would help make a strong case for both of your points) But I think the offense really stresses ball security and getting it out quick to avoid sacks.

I'd say right now there's somewhere between 5 to 10 plays a game where Carr is actually going stand-scan-deliver, and I actually think he's pretty solid at it, especially at 25. But at this point his bread and butter is still quick hitting, simple read stuff.
 
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