Rupert said:
Now for a point by point on Crow:
Here's the common sense you're missing. He should have shown improvement during the season. He didn't. He showed improvement during each of the last two seasons at LB, not just a jump after the off-season. He didn't show a similar improvement as a DE his rookie season, which is my major reason for panning any significant development from him.
What improvement has he shown at LB? What games have you been watching?
The improvement he demonstrated after his rookie season, during the 2 or 3 games he actually got to play DE as a sophmore, was more than notable. As a LB, he's been inept on his best days.
That's you saying it, not me.
If you actually believe that coaches have nothing to do with a player's development, your credibility is being fitted for a toe tag as we speak.
I never said there wasn't. It's like someone saying drugs. It's often used as a catchall for "illegal" drugs. So I used supplements in that sense, "illegal" supplements.
That's an interesting way of keeping your statements vague and confusing. Kudos.
Why complain about legal supplements? No sense doing that, and I wasn't. So when I made the correction to your understanding of what I meant, accept it, because you're not going to change either what I said or what I meant. But you'd rather nit pick. I understand.
Obviously your opinion mirrors his. I don't think he's a good DE. You think he is. Unfortunately for both of you, his production at DE doesn't back up either your opinion or his. But in the end you agree with me, he is NOT an every down DE. And a 1st round DE should be an every down guy not just a rotational guy.
My opinion is based on his play at the position prior to getting Ryaned. I never expected the guy to be a 10 sack end. But as a 6-8 sack, 60-70 tackle base end, I think he could do pretty well.
As for not being an every down player, Bobby Hamilton's role involves sliding inside as a pass rushing DT when Burgess comes in on passing downs. I think after an offseason of getting back into the DL swing of things, Brayton could perform in a similar capacity on a similar level.
Actually, it doesn't. The weight room can give him bulk and strength,
Rupert said:
and he's too small (not strong enough) to hold up as a run stopping DE.
So...what's the issue again? You say he's not strong enough. I point to the weight room. You say that won't help him because it only makes him stronger. Isn't that what we were talking about?
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but only time on the field can teach him how to use it.
Also time in practice, time in film study, one on one time with his position coaches...all things that he's been denied for these last two years.
That's the biggest part of his game that's lacking and that didn't develop on the DL. Maybe the DL coach sucked, I'll give him that.
He just got fired, so...it stands to reason.
But he should have learned something about leverage just by playing with consistently bigger OT's in front of him. He didn't.
I would dispute this claim by pointing to his improvement during his 2nd season prior to have his career destroyed.
Again, you're making assumptions about what I mean.
I'm not making assumptions. I'm going strictly on what you say. If you'd like to speak more clearly, i.e., leave yourself less wiggle room, then maybe we won't have this problem.
I've said before that Brayton showed ability to cover in the flat and hook zones. Read that again, ZONES. Not man coverage. In run defense and short zones the Sam backer has to defeat blockers, typically the TE and sometimes the FB. Since Brayton couldn't defeat the bigger blockers it would make sense to match him up against the smaller blockers.
You may have said that before, but I don't see that anywhere in the post I replied to. You said he'd be a decent Sam backer. There's no spinning out of that. Sam backers have to play man coverage. That's part of the gig. On the other hand, Brayton hasn't exactly impressed in zone coverage either. Sure, he's getting into position easier than last year, but he still whiffs open field tackles. He still lets backs and TEs run past him. He's completely out of place back there.
Not a bad idea. Really, you think I'm too stuck on him as a LB. And you place me in the boat with Ryan when you vilify the move. Brayton showed development as an OLB between and during the season, he didn't as a DE.
That's never going to be an accurate statement, no matter how many times you repeat yourself. Sorry. The improvement at DE was visible. At LB? Not so much.
You nave never done anything but claim Ryan screwed him up.
And you've yet to say a single believable thing that disputes that.
This was the first decent suggestion you've made. But what happens when he doesn't demonstrate his "great" potential as a DE, do you finally admit your errror?
The only error made was taking his hand off the ground. I don't see where I'd have an error to admit to. His first best position is on the defensive line. Playing someone against their strengths is just ignorant. Supporting such a move is just mind boggling.
No, actually football 101 says you bring down the ballcarrier, no matter who it is. In that sense they're completely comparable.
So let's just move Schwiegert to DE and bash him for not making the conversion.
If the QB escapes your pressure and still delivers the ball, you weren't effective as a pass rusher. Brayton wasn't very effective at pressuring the passer.
Sure he was. He never gave the impression that he was the next Michael Strahan, but he did well enough while he had the chance. He did a far better job of pressuring the QB from the outside than Kelly did this year. Another mindless conversion project you support. If I didn't know better, I'd swear you and Ryan were on some other team's payroll.
If you'd have complained that his linemates weren't top notch, or that the coaching wasn't top notch, I could have accepted that angle of argument, but YOU didn't go there.
Why would i have needed to? Is that not understood? Is that some great secret that's been kept from you until just now?
What I'm seeing here is that you don't care about being right or wrong. You just want to win an argument. Damn shame.
You lose that point of contention. Period. It's all on Brayton,
Garbage, just like the first time you said it.
but you want to pawn his lack of development on the organization and Ryan. Brayton didn't develop as a DE, on the field during the season, prior to Ryan's arrival. He has developed on the field and during the season as an OLB. Seems like he has a future somewhere other than DE.
Keep on pushing that bullshit. Maybe someone will actually buy that. Me? I actually watched him play, so I know better.
You were so sure that Brayton was a LDE as a rook. Now you're so sure that he never displayed any improvement as a DE. You're making a habit of this sort of thing. I'd offer you the chance to quit while you were ahead, but unfortunately you missed that boat a few harbors back.
Anyway, I though you preferred LB's to DL's.
You must have me confused with someone else. I'm the D-line & safety guy. So, once again, you're wrong. This has been a pretty forgettable thread for you, my man. One false step after another. Whiffing on points like Anthony Dorsett trying to tackle Shannon Sharpe.
Shouldn't you want your boy at your favorite position on defense?
This is the logic that 4-12 seasons are made of.
