Coaching

Discussion in 'Raiders Discussion' started by NIPS, May 16, 2019.

  1. NIPS

    NIPS Comin' to a thread near you

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    So it seems we got the players but other than the Cable bashing....whatcha all MFers feel about this coaching staff other than Cable and Gruden?...how much do y'all MFers really know bout the rest of them?...and are ya concerned?
     
  2. raiderfreak7

    raiderfreak7 Well-Known Member

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    One of my positives from last year was how Gruden called the offense. He put his guys in positions to succeed. There just wasn't much talent to work with. With Guenther I have no clue because that was legit the least talented defense I've ever seen. I like Gruden but he needs to show he can get this shit going with more talent this year. I'm 100% undecided on Guenther and he basically gets a clean slate from me. Tom Cable can fuck off and he's still Gruden's worst decision and I'll have very little faith in the offensive line as long as he's coaching.
     
  3. phxraida15

    phxraida15 Well-Known Member

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    Guenther is trash.
    But fuck it, I'll give him 5 years.
     
  4. Solve4X

    Solve4X Banana Nana Fo #FuckYouGruden

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    I have my reservations. Who is our DB coach now? I think we will miss the guy from Bama. I hated the way we gutted the roster last year. Not the trades (I hated one of them) but just letting guys go to bring in equal or lesser talent because they were "grinders" GTFOH.

    I did think the coaching showed up as the season wore on last year. Players got more comfortable with what the coaches were asking them to do. There were actual defensive adjustments trying to fit what our shitty players were capable of. Last year was a mixed bag for the coaching staff. Hopefully, this year the upward trend begins after the initial teardown.
     
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  5. 007

    007 Commitment To Excrement

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    Our coaching staff is average as a whole in the NFL.

    That’s better than we’ve had in many years.

    Gruden calls a nice game he had no players last year. I think our coordinators are mediocre at best outside of Bisaccia.
     
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  6. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much with you. Gruden made the offense look decent enough with a lack of talent. Brown/Jacobs will be terrific additions.

    Agree 100%, Guenther had one of, if not the worst groups in the league talent wise. They started out fairly solidly with disguised coverages and timely blitzes. After a couple of injuries, and DRC suddenly retiring, the defense went to a youth movement.

    Tahir Whitehead finished as a top 25 PFF rated LB after being rated as the 91st weeks 1-10. Guenther also got Gareon Conley and Karl Joseph on track as 1st round picks finally producing at a high level.

    Key showed some late season flashes as did Hall as well as the steady Hurst.

    He got competent play from a rookie UDFA MLB and a S who was just supposed to play ST’s.

    Idk how folks can be so hard on him, he developed a few players and had guys in positions to succeed. They couldn’t get to the QB, couldn’t hold the edge, missed tackles and got beat deep.

    That’s not on the coach that’s due to lack of talent.

    Little more talent on that side of the ball this year, as well as the possibility of year 2 development form 3 DL.

    Not sure if Burifict can still get it done but I think Marshall will be a solid addition at MLB.

    ST’s coach is one of the best in the league. He fixed Carlson but he needs to fix, or ask to get rid of our punter.

    Cable has to be the most over rated OL coach in the league right?

    Buckner a well respected DL coach, he’s got an awful lot of youth to work with as well as a couple of decent vet DT’s. Hopefully our DL fares much better.

    That fact that we could double our sack total and still only have 26 is outrageous.
     
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  7. Sleet

    Sleet #2018: Return of Gru

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    I’ll like Cable more if we sign Richie. :D
     
  8. godeep811

    godeep811 The Judge is Ready!

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    Looking forward to seeing what new D Line coach Buckner can do with the group. Defensive line has a lot of prove
     
  9. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    I think Guenther will be set up to fail in the eyes of fans that have expectations of a high pressure, star power defense. My guess is that he’s being tasked with putting together a league average unit that won’t cost a lot of money. He’ll probably get most of the draft picks because Jon likes vets and will want to spend the money on offense but it will be constant turnover as rookie contracts expire. I could be completely wrong but that’s just what I’m expecting there.
     
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  10. Solve4X

    Solve4X Banana Nana Fo #FuckYouGruden

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    If he can hover around the middle of the pack with that gameplan and have years mixed in where it gets into the top 10, I view that as a success. I think NFL teams have to allocate a significant amount of their cap to O or D and it is obvious with our head coaching selection which one we are.
     
  11. Madturk

    Madturk Barry McCockinner

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    Have to give Guenther a pass for last year. That was a patch work defense with arguably the worst talent in the NFL. Let’s call a spade a spade. Not unhappy with the draft picks and some of the FA acquisitions. If he can get this unit to top 20 status that would be big accomplishment. We are still weak in the LB and pass rush department but this unit overall should be improved, especially in the secondary.

    No excuses for Tom Cable this year. I am not expecting a big turnaround.
     
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  12. Nobodyinparticular

    Nobodyinparticular Well-Known Member

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    The first half of the year was really interesting for the defense. There were at least 3 or 4 games where the defense looked almost stifling in the first 30 minutes and then completely fell apart afterward. It was clear that all the old farts were completely gassed by the 4th quarter and were giving up HUGE plays as a result. Off the top of my head, I'm remembering Rams, Denver, and Miami. I'm sure there are others.

    I didn't see the same performance in the 2nd half of the season. The defense wasn't as strong to start the game, but it also wasn't quite as porous to end the game. This is surely related to changes in the rotations as younger guys started getting more burn.

    I'm not sure if I'm willing to say "clean slate" but I am willing to acknowledge some of the challenges from last year.
     
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  13. Birdwell

    Birdwell Bring the third incarnation.

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    Based on last season's games the takes above about lack of talent are spot on. And while the athletic talent was largely below NFL standard, the mental side on the part of guys who played on both sides of the ball was too low for the way Guenther and Gruden require.

    Reviewing the all-22 what jumps out is that both the O and D required a lot of all eleven guys reacting the same way to what the other side presented. That was why when Gruden got in Carr's face it was clear that he didn't do something the HC/OC thought his QB should have seen and done, and why every coach on Guenther's staff was working immediately with players and position groups when off the field (and why he keeps getting his guys to be coaches on the field).

    The O was very different for the dink and dunk Walsh WCO that Gruden ran the first time here. Many of the same concepts in terms of route trees, but much more using the depth of the field compared to everything within 17 yards of scrimmage. And there were a lot more hot adjustments that made me think of the principles behind WR routes in the run and shoot. And he seemed to want to preserve Lynch and so didn't run his bell cow back the way Lynch needed to be effective. Lack of speed led to too many in or near the box.

    Guenther runs a ton of stuff, but his deception is more what he does with different personnel than not knowing who's coming from where. A big part of that is the difference between three and four man fronts. His D concepts are based on all eleven guys executing at a high level of precision. The benefit is you don't need a few superstars to be a top-15 D; and the downside is one blown assignment frequently results in a chunk play.

    Another year in with guys who grind mentally is gonna be interesting to watch.
     
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  14. PDX Raider

    PDX Raider Well-Known Member

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    Our O- coordinator is Gruden- and he's still got it on that side. D- coordinator- I was thoroughly unimpressed with Guenther. Yeah, he doesn't have talent- but who was the dumbass touting Reggie Nelson all season long? He played corners 10 yards off on third and 4. Fuck him.

    Outside of HC and the coordinators, the most important important coach IMO is the o-line coach. The o-line is the foundation of a team. A good one makes an average QB look good, keeps the D off the field, and covers up a ton of warts. A bad one kills you. Cable just hasn't shown he can get it done. This team has the potential for an explosive offense, but without a good o-line, it ain't happening.
     
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  15. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    As soon as Joseph’s calf healed and he grasped the playbook he was in for Nelson. I think Nelson was a necessity early on due to what @Birdwell just eluded to. Now he has a guy who’s 6’ over 200 and runs in the 4.4’s back there.

    Same at CB, other than Conley they had zero speed there. Hence drafting two long guys who can run.
     
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  16. hawaiianboy

    hawaiianboy Unfuckupable

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    I'd give him a pass just on the fact we traded away the guy who he likely was building his playbook around right before the fucking first game... and as great as Frostee was as a replacement, it's still a lot to ask from a mid tier coordinator
     
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  17. godeep811

    godeep811 The Judge is Ready!

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    To my point above...


    May 16

    Brentson Buckner is going to be the unsung hero of this season, IMO. If the Dline makes a jump in production, this is a team that will compete for a playoff spot.
     
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  18. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    It appears that Guenther looks to employ a little more man coverage, which would allow him to use Abram and Joseph in blitz packages. Something Joseph has been pretty good at, and something that looks like Abram could ideally excel in as well.

    Two more names who could be employed as effective blitzers, Nick Morrow who has flashed the ability to accelerate and get pressure and if Bell can impress on ST’s and push Wilbur off the roster, he has the traits and size to possibly get a look in blitz packages.

    As @hawaiianboy said, Guenther not being blind sided with losing a guy he most likely built a scheme around and knowing he has more speed in the secondary and HOPEFULLY better play on the edges he could employ a more aggressive scheme.
     
  19. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    Both Kujo and Abram are VERY good blitzers. Add to that Ferrell is a stout edge setter, if he sets the edge and one of those guys flies in on a blitz good things will happen. I could see us doing that quite a bit.
     
  20. Dummy McIdiot

    Dummy McIdiot WTF?

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    Alot of long takes.

    We suck until further notice.

    Nobody on this staff has proven shit.

    #TWT.
    #CloseThread.