Broken Fibula... 1-3 Weeks... Been Done Before... Twice

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  1. 1-800-Raider

    1-800-Raider Now Hiring

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    Case Study #1
    Tory James, CB
    Broken Right Fibula
    45 minute surgery on December 12, 2002
    Returned to practice on December 26, 2002
    Returned to starting lineup December 28, 2002 (16 days after surgery)

    - Break was a fracture
    - Operation involved a titanium plate to stabilize and protect the bone from contact
    - Titanium plates allow the bones to carry more weight
    - Titanium plates can only be used on fractures that are stable and treated with a cast / boot


    Case Study #2
    Charles Woodson, CB
    Broken Right Fibula
    45 minute surgery on December 24, 2002
    Returned to starting lineup January 13, 2003 (20 days after surgery)

    - Break was a fracture
    - Operation involved a titanium plate to stabilize and protect the bone from contact
    - Titanium plates allow the bones to carry more weight
    - Titanium plates can only be used on fractures that are stable and treated with a cast / boot


    I'm not aware of the Raiders releasing any details about the nature of Derek Carr's fracture. He is having surgery tomorrow... reportedly. The sense of urgency is encouraging and might indicate his fracture could be comparable to that of James and Woodson, leaving the possibility of a return in the playoffs. As a QB, he doesn't use his legs as much as a CB would... However, he will have pain if he does this procedure and returns. Both those procedures were done 14 years ago using technology from 14 years ago... Perhaps there's better technology out now....

    Here is Carr's potential timeline:

    - December 25, 2016 - Surgery
    - Jan 1, 2017 Game vs. Broncos - 7 days post-surgery
    - Jan 7-8, 2017 Wild Card Weekend - 13-14 days post surgery
    - Jan 14-15, 2017 Divisional Playoff Weekend - 20-21 days post surgery

    Wild Card Weekend would be an extreme possibility... Divisional Playoff would be a more realistic possibility.... We really need the bye week.

    Fingers crossed.....
     
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  2. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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    There is definitely encouraging. Thanks for posting
     
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  3. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Have no doubt that's why it's being done tomorrow on Christmas Day. And you can bet the docs told him about those two and he wanted it done ASAP. Fingers crossed. Gotta focus and handle business against the Donkeys.
     
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  4. PDX Raider

    PDX Raider Well-Known Member

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    At this point, the goal is a full recovery. Don't rush back, make sure surgery is right and heal up for next year. I'm rooting for mcgloin, rooting for raiders, and want anyone but the pats to make it to super bowl. But, this season was a success. We have a stud qb who will have missed one start- next week- since he's been here. We have arguably the best defensive player in the league and a stud o line. We will be back.
     
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  5. PDX Raider

    PDX Raider Well-Known Member

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    Need donks to pull one out tomorrow. The game next week will be a warm up for mcgloin.
     
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  6. alteredst8

    alteredst8 Well-Known Member

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    Ya know the Captain is comming right..

    Either way good thoughts and yes it could be plausible. I just don't think it's likely.
    Also is my posting that the Captain is comming, so Obvious now that, the statement in itself is Captain worthy. If that's the case...Time for the Captain to just die.
     
  7. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    So you are saying there's a chance?
     
  8. system7

    system7 Well-Known Member

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    A liitle comforting but they are gonna be more careful with a franchise QB though. No sense rushing him and risk making things worse.
     
  9. Crow

    Crow My photo editing is ass

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    Fuck that.

    Frankenstein that shit together, get him on the damn field and playing.

    Once he's hobbled his ass up to the podium to hoist that Lombardi, he can go back to surgery, get the bolts, plates and bailing wire off the bone, re-break if necessary, patch him up the right way, and he'll still be good to go for OTAs.

    Don't let us down. You've already squealed like one of @NIPS' camping buddies twice in the last month. Kind of embarrassing, man. Making us all look bad.

    Man up, redeem yourself and the Nation's image, get your candyboned ass out there and just fucking win.
     
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  10. Limee

    Limee Well-Known Member

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    Stop this getting my hopes up shit and allow me to wallow in my misery damn it.
     
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  11. Nobodyinparticular

    Nobodyinparticular Well-Known Member

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    This. I just want to drink myself into misery.
     
  12. RaiderJF

    RaiderJF Well-Known Member

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    Lets just get some help from the Donkeys tonite and see how the chips fall. If we can get that bye tonite nothing matters for three weeks. Possibility that Carr could be ready for divisional playoff game at home... if not, need MyGroin to pull one out (see what I did there) to get to Championship game with better chance that Carr is ready to roll.

    But damn we could use some serious help from the donkeys tonite. And they have to have it or their playoff chances are over.
     
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  13. Birdwell

    Birdwell Bring the third incarnation.

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    No reason not to hope the Raiders earn the bye and Carr starts in our divisional round playoff game. But getting attached to that hope is something else.

    Here are some things we know: JDR and Musgrave saw enough in Matt McGloin to give him a second round tender rather than put the same money on a FA veteran. Carr's injury cost us our pro-Bowl QB, but did NOT cost us our leader. Don't for a minute believe that his presence won't fire up the team.

    One thing I've been thinking for the past few weeks is that the Raiders have shown almost no new wrinkles. When is the last time we saw a reverse, an end-around, much less a gadget play. Saving things for the playoffs, keeping things off film. All those things that would get Cooper open, it's not like we can't do what other teams do.

    There is no meaningful film of McGloin running this offense. As a guy with less talent than guys he competed against for starting gigs, he has learned to succeed being more aggressive. Two throws he made yesterday show that. In the playoffs it's more about running, and this O-line can do it. So all the QB needs to do is show the opposing DC the threat of completing deep balls and hitting intermediate throws on stride and he'll have to roll the dice on where to put the safeties.

    That seems to be something McGloin can do.

    Carr said it in his tweet: football is a team game and everything that the team could accomplish is still out there. How cool would it be if McGloin wins until Carr comes back -- all the way to the game with the Roman Numerals? Team succeeds, and the soon-to-be FA kid makes himself 40 million.
     
  14. 1-800-Raider

    1-800-Raider Now Hiring

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    I fully expect Carr back for the divisional playoff. The team needs to expect Carr back for the divisional playoff. This guy is the team's motivational leader. Playing for him to come back and everybody stepping up until he comes back is the kind of motivation and confidence we need. I'm not about heading into a playoff run being depressed and feeling sorry for ourselves. I'm more about having the confidence that we are peaking and gonna beat everybody... even if we have titanium plates in our legs. Been 14 years... All hands on deck... Enough is enough....

    On a long-term note.... @Crow what is up with these injuries that Carr is suddenly getting.... broke finger on a snap? Fractured leg on a sack? I've always thought this stuff is kind of preventable if you eat right and hit the gym.... How else do you explain the 65-year old Tom Brady still playing like he's 25... He's been advocating this stuff for years.... Do we even have a strength and conditioning coach.... Or a nutrition guy? Carr tweeted all this stuff happens for a reason.... Is that an indication he's gonna clean this sh/t up and start taking care of himself better?
     
  15. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    Tom tore his ACL. All the working out in the world isn't going to help a finger from dislocating or a bone from breaking....
     
  16. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    Are u fucking serious? How is being in shape going to prevent a leg injury when a 300 lb DL falls on your leg awkwardly. Every QB gets injured at some point. Brady's conditioning had nothing to with his leg injury a few years ago.

    The finger thing was just a freak thing.
     
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  17. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    Sorry you posted while I was typing
     
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  18. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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    Nothing in the strength and conditioning world, or even in the realm of nutrition, can prevent freak accidents

    Football is a violent games. Stuff like this happens
     
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  19. godeep811

    godeep811 It's time to win again

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    We don't know if Carr will be back. Odds are that he won't be back.

    The success stories in the first post are great, but it depends on the type of fracture, where it's located, etc.

    If Carr comes back, he will be on pain killers. Woodson stated he was taking injections in 2002, and got one before the Super Bowl.

    My concern is jeopardizing Carr's future playing on a leg that is not fully healed. In addition, with guys crashing about him near his legs, he certainly will have the pain/ injury in his mind, potentially affecting his throws and his mobility.

    Don't count on Carr. It's now on McGloin
     
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  20. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Valid concerns but @1-800-Raider is right about the sense of urgency with the surgery. Why bother doing it on Christmas day if they didn't expect him back? I also don't get the impression this administration would risk it if they weren't 100 percent sure.
     
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