5 Reggie Mackenzie draft myths:

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  1. 007

    007 Commitment To Excrement

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    Well gentlemen, 4 drafts (3.5) have come and gone, I think we can fully put some myths to bed about how our GM drafts.

    I had initially thought there were some tendencies we could track down like certain teams (Seattle with length/metrics) Minnesota and Cincy with H-W-S, other teams only drafting captains or certain schools heavy.

    1) Reggie brings in the players he is interested in.
    -Clearly this one is blown to hell. Nobody we had heard about this year was picked. I had a bead on almost all our visits. I am confident saying I knew at least 20 of our 30 visits plus all of our pro days and personal campus workouts.
    Amari last year, Edwards this year. Karl Joseph had only spoken to our team once at the combine. Jihad said we barely talked. Khalil and Gabe did not come in for a visit in their draft year.

    Reggie uses tape and scouts to set his board and the visits are obviously used to double check certain things.

    On the flip side, a GM like Gettlemen draft 5 guys he brought in for visits (3 cb's out of 5)

    2) Reggie only drafts religious players/or older players etc.
    -By just assuming this, you obviously are not paying attention. Reggie has taken young kids like Amari and Edwards. He took the youngest player in the draft last year in Max Valles. Clearly AGE is not a factor. I assume he has some religious players mixed in with guys who don't give a shit. Long story short: Nothing to see here. No pattern at all. Among all the old players he has taken, there is an equally as young player somewhere along the line. Over 3.5 drafts he has taken the oldest prospects at a position (Crawford/Bergy/Menelik) and the youngest (Amari/Valles/MEJ)

    3) Reggie stays away from X position in Y round.
    -Nope. He will draft pass rushers early, WR's early, lineman anytime he wants. Again there is nothing here like other teams that we can get a read on. Some teams always take a lineman (GB) some teams always take developmental corners or QB's. We are all over the map. Pass rusher heavy? Sure. But outside of that we have gotten an OL every year. (Vadal/Feliciano/Bergy/Gabe). About all we can count on is we will likely use one pick on an OL. Add us to the same list as 28 other teams every year...

    4) Reggie steers clear of character issues.
    -Well, Connor Cook, Jon Dowling, Mario Edwards, Stacey McGee, Shelby Harris and others disagree. If the reward outweighs the risk, Reggie will pull the trigger regardless of what type of issue a guy has...

    5) We like to take injured players.
    -This one is probably the closest one to not being a 'myth' but I think its more happenstance and trusting his board. Sure Ball, Hayden, Karl Joseph, Watson and others have had injury history. (Carrie and Debose etc. as well) but there is not any pattern here. If anything they trust their doctors and minimize injury history on draft day.

    3 years of excel spreadsheets with forty times, SPARQ scores, positions, conferences and H-W-S and there is nothing we can find out except: WE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT WHAT REGGIE WILL DO

    Anyone have any other myths we hear about?
     
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  2. eleven

    eleven Well-Known Member

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    Red won't touch a running back in the first 4 rounds: Confirmed.
     
  3. 007

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    I bet that one gets blown up 100 percent in 2017.
     
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  4. Crow

    Crow Real Muthaphukkin G(inger)

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    Let us pray.
     
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  5. 007

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    Should we start a Jihad
     
  6. Crow

    Crow Real Muthaphukkin G(inger)

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    That's officially no longer funny.

    Fuck Reggie.
     
  7. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Gimme Dalvin Cook after we trade up from 32 over all to like 15-20. And I'm happy. Mfer is FAST.
     
  8. Raider Nation

    Raider Nation Moral Compass

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    Biggest Reggie McKenzie myth?

    That any of us nutbags have ANY idea of what he'll do in a draft. He's turned the "Li'l Al" contest into the "Nobody Has A Fucking Clue What Reggie Will Do" contest. Not that the vast majority of you had a clue to begin with.

    I realize this organization has historically had a short-sighted, win-now, agenda. To which many people on this board would vocally object with "but we need to build for the future!!!!". Then when there's a GM who, no longer quietly or under the radar by the way judging from national media coverage, is actually building a roster the very same way many had pined for in the past 30 yrs. respond to a draft like 2016's and say "why did we draft a QB in Round 4 when we could have had any other number of NFL-unproven prospects?!?!" and are up in arms.

    If ever there was a day that reinforced the "We're Just Here to Hate on Shit" mantra of BR.net, it's draft day.
     
  9. Postmaster

    Postmaster Well-Hung Member

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    Reggie has one of the best drafts in NFL history.
     
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  10. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Appropriately posted in the biggest myths thread...
     
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  11. Crow

    Crow Real Muthaphukkin G(inger)

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    Well done, sir.
     
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  12. Sleet

    Sleet #2016: Jack's 2nd Year The Charm?

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    Joseph, alone, makes this a better draft than 2012 and 2013. But, from my view, it clearly ranks third behind 2014 and 2015.
     
  13. Langlier

    Langlier LOUD NOISES!

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    Tough to replicate 2014. But it could be on par with 2015. Give it some time.
     
  14. eleven

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  15. NIPS

    NIPS Comin' to a thread near you

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    I told you MF'er ya'll need to get outta the 80's and get a 3 player bigboard... do it next year... Cause the whole lil Al thing is a waste of time.. Why should I spend my time looking at shit when the Raiders are picking 20 only to have that player taken at 15 and the whole thing ends up being a waste of time.. it was cool when this team sucked dick and we were picking in the top 5 and shit.. but thats over now... Fix that shit and make it worth peoples time
     
  16. Crow

    Crow Real Muthaphukkin G(inger)

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  17. Raidermania12

    Raidermania12 Only Bo Knows

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    Time to heal injuries maybe? :)
     
  18. Rupert

    Rupert The Long Wind

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    Day 3 for sure!
     
  19. Raidermania12

    Raidermania12 Only Bo Knows

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    Murray isn't a stud, but not any good would be an exaggeration the other direction. With that said, not much value in return overall. Reggie to his credit takes a shitload of chances, luckily most of them in the later rounds(except that awful Hayden pick)
     
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  20. Rupert

    Rupert The Long Wind

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    FTFY

    Maybe next year we won't need a DL. Would be nice to have one position sewn up with quality depth.

    I really look forward to a more BPA approach, but as seen with Cook this year, McKenzie will always look at roster management and throw the pure BPA approach off a bit, as any smart GM should.