***2018/2019 Warriors Thread***

Discussion in 'The NBA' started by gst8, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Pretty cool a few of you assholes know so much about basketball.

    I was more into basketball until after high school (better at it as a kid). Still watched football but I didn’t become die hard into it until after I pretty much stopped competing in sports myself.
     
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  2. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Same here. It’s still really my favorite sport overall.

    All these analytics are fucking me up though.

    Fuck a buncha PER and win shares and all that.
     
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  3. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    It’s good data. It works more in the NBA because there aren’t 22 variables out there, just 10.

    Playoff basketball for the most part is really great.

    The trend of flopping, throwing hands up at every foul called “what did I do?” Drives me nuts though.

    Buncha players just baiting each other for cheap ass free throws.

    Houston, the absolute worst culprit, is thankfully watching at home now.

    I cannot stand that fucking team.

    You take everything you hate about the NBA. Bad contracts. Flopping. Players getting cheap calls. Players getting away with what should be a penalty (Harden’s fucking 3 step, step back jumper), hyper analytics (remember when they missed like 30 3’s last year lol). “Super team” player led acquisition. Did I mention bad contracts? (Paul/Cappella).

    Really just a fucking annoying team to watch. Idk how they win so many games.

    I wish the league had more parity. So many bottom feeders.

    I think the new draft rules will help. Tanking probably extinct now. Phoenix, Memphis, Knicks. They straight tanked. Missed out on the 1st pick.
     
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  4. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it’s interesting and definitely gets you looking at things differently but I think it sucks some of the joy out of the game. Iverson would get crucified if he played today whereas a guy like Chris Paul is treated like a god among that analytic crowd. It takes baseball out of the park and into math class. On the other hand I once thought Lamond Murray was going to be a better pro than Jason Kidd so what do I know lol.

    With regard to parity the league could probably stand to eliminate a couple of teams so talent wouldn’t be so thin. That and the guaranteed contracts being so catastrophic when the player fails to live up to it.

    I’m not going to complain too much though. It’s nice to be a “have” rather than a “have not” for once. I remember being so mad we couldn’t resign Gilbert Arenas because he was a second round pick lol. Or thinking Webber was going to put us over the top (how about a Webber and Carr comp btw?).

    I think the flopping is going to get hit hard next year. Houston put the league on blast in prime time and I doubt they liked it at all.
     
  5. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Eh, AI would be fine. Look at Lou Williams he’s a perennial sixth man of the year and a valuable player there in LAC land. Really similar players. Well once AI lost a little explosiveness. Similar game tho.

    Yeah the NBA reacts well to try and eliminate shitty trends IMO. Flopping has been on the radar for a few years now. It’s gotten out of hand with a few teams. Not everyone does it. But a few teams seriously RELY on it.

    I don’t think the league has a talent issue. I think players aren’t developed very well on a lot of teams. I don’t think there are a lot of good coaches because the trigger to fire them is so quick. It’s a player driven league. Coaches get canned left and right because players are “unhappy”.

    Agree the guaranteed contracts that end up bad really hamstrung clubs. But they did can now get rid of one I think, some sort of clause where they can cut a player and it won’t count against the cap or some shit. One designated player. I think.

    I’ve seen guys in NO get $12 mil a year to sit on the bench. It’s nuts. The C they got from Chicago. The F they signed from Indiana.

    Crazy.

    As far as parity, LeBron is the guy I would point to as sort of ruining that. Started the whole team up trend.

    A lot of folks think the Celtics group started it, but Minnesota was ready to move on from KG at the time. And Ray Allen was about in the same boat. That was a little different IMO.

    LeBron straight left because he couldn’t get another star in Cleveland.

    Goes back when Wade and Bosh started getting old.

    Leaves Cleveland after Kyrie left and Love got old/hurt.

    Goes to LA and ruins that young team with his bullshit.

    Got carried off the court from “cramps”

    Made the Derek Carr “cry face” WAAY before Carr, multiple times.

    Idk if you can tell but I hate LeBron James lol.
     
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  6. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    gimme your top ten nba players ranked
     
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  7. gst8

    gst8 Well-Known Member

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    KD
    LeBron
    Curry
    Giannis
    Anthony Davis
    Harden
    Kawhi
    Lillard
    Westbrook
    Luca Doncic

    Jokic was a top 10 impact player this year but I'm not a believer in building your team around a center.

    Also, how I rank someone as a player is different than how I value them if I were starting a team. I think LeBron and KD are physically better players than Steph but I think Steph's skillset and leadership make him more desirable in terms of building a championship team. The homer in me also has Draymond hovering right outside the top 10 as well. Dude is what Lamar Odom was supposed to be.
     
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  8. TheMadStork

    TheMadStork Record Deepness

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    We're just lucky that he never screwed a Kardashian.
     
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  9. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    There was a lot of Draymond hating this year but a case for MVP in these playoffs could be made.
     
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  10. gst8

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    Stat guys today would paint AI as an inefficient chucker much like they do Westbrook ignoring the incredible amount of heart he played with. Lou Williams's game actually reminds me most of pre 3 point shooting James Harden the way he constantly drives seeking contact.

    Regarding LeBron, yeah... he's pretty dislikable but sometimes when you step back it's actually incredible that he's been able to keep himself on the right path considering he has crowned the next big thing at like 14. No legal stuff, family guy, does a lot of charity work, and has built an empire for himself relying mostly on a inner circle of guys he came up with. "Fan hate" aside, you gotta give him respect for that. I wish him failure on the Bball court for sure though lol!
     
  11. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    He’s been a beast no doubt. He really energizes the team. His contributions don’t always show up in the box score but he does so much when he’s on the floor. Having him and Iggy our there are like having two assistant coaches on the floor.
     
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  12. DonkeyKilla

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    yeah I don't like the guy but he's probably the best player I have ever seen and really he's not a bad guy.
     
  13. DonkeyKilla

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    Him and Iggy and are the difference makers for us on D, which is what is mostly separating us from the other teams especially without KD.
     
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  14. BigTron

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    Zion was also a PG who didnt weigh very much. He bulked up late in HS I think. I remember Grand Ma-Ma btw. Im old enough haha Def a good comp, but I think your selling Zion a little short there. Larry Johnson was more like 6'6" 250, not 6'8 285 and Larry didnt play defense in the same realm. Zion averages 2 steals and blocks, LJ didnt do that. Zion will protect the rim and jump passing lanes.

    Bron is probably too high of a comp for Zion tho. But Charles was never the athlete Zion is. Maybe we just havent seen anyone like this haha
     
  15. Madturk

    Madturk Football Guru

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    And Looney as well. That guy is just a beast under the basket. Would love to be able to resign him but he’s going to get paid somewhere.
     
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  16. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Nah man Zion has been rocking a man body since I started watching videos his sophomore year in HS. He’s gotten even bigger yeah, but he was probably 6’5”-6’6” 225-230 in those videos. Just a man child.

    Will be interesting to see if the Pelicans actually take him. Reports are he wasnt happy. His face told me he wasn’t happy. Went backstage immediately after.

    I could care less, he’s still a great bargaining chip to flip into a couple of picks. I like Morant and Barrett just as much if not more pro potential wise.
     
  17. Armyr8rfan

    Armyr8rfan Well-Known Member

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    Zion’s defensive effort is very good yeah. Of course he’s probably even more explosive than Johnson, but both have similar frames/games. Johnson was a good passer, great rebounder for his size, especially before his injury. Remember, the NBA was DOMINATED by Bigs when he played. And was ROY averaging over 20 points and 10 boards. His first couple of years he was a beast. Just didn’t have longevity in the same fashion because of the back surgery.


    He’s gonna sell tickets, and he will be a factor. But if he doesn’t develop a jumper, he’s eventually gonna get exposed.
     
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  18. Armyr8rfan

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    Who you guys got in the East? I’ll say Milwaukee, but Toronto could probably pull it off if Lowry can play well. I think he will have issues scoring on Bledsoe with his length and athleticism. Same goes for Leonard. Gonna be tough for him if Giannis gets that assignment. Bucks a little deeper. Little better 3 point shooter. I think Bucks in 6, but it wouldn’t blow my mind to see Toronto push it to 7 or win it.
     
  19. BigTron

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    Marc Gasol has to play great in this series. The Raptors have to stop the Bucks from getting all the rebounds. Leonard has been on fire so its gonna be a tough series. It may just come down to home court advantage and playoff experience. Lets see if the Bucks can weather the storm against seasoned players.
     
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  20. BigTron

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    Watching Leonard and Davis miss entire seasons in their prime is ridiculously bad business. I hope Zion changes his feelings about New Orleans and makes them a winner. Fuck the big market bullshit. New Orleans is one of the best cities on Earth. The fans are great and the people there love music, food & sports. What else do you want? They actually leave the players alone and give them space to breathe. Take a fucking plane to LA or NY and live there the rest of the year etc.

    The players travel so much during the season I dont understand the obsession with NY/LA. Sucker shit IMO. I get players wanting to move around, but dont sign a second contract then. This is how sports have always kept a nice balance. The shit teams get hope in the form of a new players. Hard enough for shit teams to recruit in FA. If you take away the lottery AND let players force trades etc. you might as well just get rid of like 8 teams and make every team competitive.

    Lebron fucking up the Lakers and ruining one year of his fading career is a great example of how this shit doesn't work. The Warriors being an example of drafting well and earning the admiration of a bigtime FA without a bunch of BS.