2017 Off Season Thread

Discussion in 'Raiders Discussion' started by boknowsvt, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. alteredst8

    alteredst8 Well-Known Member

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    Who had the over on 2 Weeks?
    I took the under so I'm out of the money.
     
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  2. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Last year, the defenses in the AFC West ranked as follows: Den #1, SD #8, KC #14, and Oak #23 according to FO. What has changed?

    Denver threw big FA bodies at and are trying to develop a more stout interior DL. Their only real loss was at DC (Phillips) and it could be a big one. But they hired a Phillips protege as HC and promoted from within at DC so I suspect the D will be one of the best again.

    Even with all their injuries last year, SD's D was surprisingly stout between the 20's. With the return of their #1 CB and some help at safety, the Chargers' DL, led by Bosa and Ingram, can be legit again. They added a defensive minded HC and Rivers and the O should have a much better year. I get why some are projecting the Chargers to win the AFC West, especially if their D is in the Top 10 again.

    Even with injuries to Houston and at inside LB, KC's D won the AFC West last year by scoring and generating turnovers and redzone stops. Hard to bet against that D, which kept the band together and replaced its one loss (Poe) with another good DT. That said, if the D, which bends a lot, breaks more, it could play closer to its ranking.

    Well, that brings us to the Raiders' #4 D. How far down in the cellar the D remains will dictate whether the Raiders win the AFC West (IMO). Got to think the secondary not only underperformed last year, but upgraded significantly this offseason with Pagano, two high draft choices, last year's 1st round choice getting healthy/better, and the departure of DJ. The edge of the D remains stout. We could have 3 new starters on the DL, including the return of a good player. And we hope Red's not done at ILB or somebody surprises (like Toomer in SD) and steps up.
     
  3. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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  4. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    If you look at FO's O and D stats (and consider that PFF ranked Carr as one of the NFL's best deep passers), they kinda foreshadow Red's offseason priorities. For example, while FO ranked the Raiders' O #8 overall, FO ranked the run game #15, Seth as the least reliable qualifying WR, and Walford as the #27 TE. Thus, Lynch, Patterson, Cook.

    On D, FO ranked the Raiders' #23 overall, but #25 against the pass. And while it ranked #18 overall against the run, the DL ranked #23 against the run and #30 in sacks. Thus Pagano, Conley and Obi to improve the secondary. And MEJ, Vanderdoes and Hester to improve the DL (without spending FA money). Plus a bigger LB who rushed the passer well in college.

    Just surprising Red did so little replace M. Smith and Riley. Got to believe another move is coming.
     
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  5. hawaiianboy

    hawaiianboy Unfuckupable

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    What did we do to improve the #30 in sacks thing? Not sure who FO is, but HB thinks we needed one more edge rusher
     
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  6. Nobodyinparticular

    Nobodyinparticular Well-Known Member

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    There are only 2 "edges" on the field at a time. And Mack and Irvin did just fine there. I know it's hard to remember as a Raiders fan, but sacks can come from places other than the 9-tech.
     
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  7. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Last year rookies Ward, Latham, Calhoun, then Cowser made the roster and were part of the problem. Hopefully this year they are part of the solution. Unfortunately Red reloaded with two more rookies Venderdoes and Hester. Hopefully they take less time to develop and become more effective pass rushers than Williams, McGee (2.5 sacks). Even if MEJ is no better than he was as a rookie, he still would be an upgrade over what we fielded last year. Hopefully Autry is more effective w/o a cast and w/fewer snaps and a more defined/limited role.
     
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  8. hawaiianboy

    hawaiianboy Unfuckupable

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    Denver managed just fine with 3.... I've said it before, you add a guy you can bring in on passing downs and you have the freedom to move Mack around like what the Tejans did lining up Marcilus and/or Clowney in the A gaps...
     
  9. NIPS

    NIPS Comin' to a thread near you

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    Looks like the Bills and Williams may not come to terms.. Dudes 33 and due to make 8.5 million- They just had a shakeup in coaches and basically- the team is ass- He knows it, the coaches know and the fans know it- I think the Bills are smart enough to know they just aren't gonna be all that competitive and so for them to justify a 9 million hit on their cap for a 33 year old...

    If he gets cut- I'd give the dude 7 .5 on a 2 year deal all guaranteed and just cut ties with Aldon Smith already- He's worth every penny..
     
  10. CrossBones

    CrossBones The Black Pearl

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    Mack would be the perfect reincarnation of Ted Hendericks but nobody seems to want to do that.

    Just think the havoc he'd cause running up and done the LOS. :eek:S
     
  11. Crow

    Crow Just ain't fit for livin', baby!

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    Guessing that #3 edge is Calhoun's job. :raiderbag:
     
  12. DonkeyKilla

    DonkeyKilla Well-Known Member

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    I think Reggie thinks MEJ will add a boost this year and added secondary help will give the d-line more time to get there. Not that I agree, I hope we still add a pass rusher.
     
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  13. hawaiianboy

    hawaiianboy Unfuckupable

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    It would be great if some of these 1st and 2nd year players work out but it seems strange that a team with supposed Super Bowl aspirations is relying on so many of them to do so...

    Maybe Reginald knows something about Aldon Smith being reinstated, who knows...
     
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  14. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Red's managing the cap as if we are already in cap hell. With 4 big money extensions in the offing, he is relying on cheap draft choices to perform. It's what NE is able to avoid with Brady's undermarket deal and BB trading NE's upcoming big-money stars. NE is loaded with midlevel talent. We are more bi-polar.
     
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  15. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Seems pretty clear Red has zero interest in taking on another big contract, especially for a DT over 30.
     
  16. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Well, with 20 more lbs., Calhoun's set to become . . . a bigger failure. :confused:
     
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  17. Sleet

    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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    Sleet #2017: Get 'er done Red

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