Post Draft Preseason Depth Chart 2021

If I type "agholor" into the search and go four pages back it goes back an incredible 3 weeks to May 25th lol.

I bet we all hate him now in the recent stuff hahahah. Thats how it goes.

I mean it goes back to the beginning of December but whatever. Some beauties mid November though. “Fuck you Agholar” and “Why is Agholar our go-to receiver” are a couple of my favorites.
 
I mean it goes back to the beginning of December but whatever. Some beauties mid November though. “Fuck you Agholar” and “Why is Agholar our go-to receiver” are a couple of my favorites.
Well there it is.
 
In ‘19, Carr only ranked #25 in attempts > 20 yards, but he returned to form on those attempts: #24 in completions and #3 in effectiveness.

The 'effectiveness' stat is silly bullshit when viewed in the team context.

When you're 25th in attempting passes over 20 yards and 24th in completing those passes.....your deep game is anything but 'effective'. In fact, it sucks.

It's like saying a baseball player had 3 at bats and hit 1 home run.....He was number one in home run hitting effectiveness.

In 2019, PB was #3 on the 'effectiveness' meter but the Raider deep passing game was bottom tier because PB didn't take enough shots downfield.

If you want to have a truly effective deep game, you can't be 25th in attempting deep passes.

PB needs to throw more intermediate and long passes to be truly 'effective' and for the Raider offense to be more explosive.

Fucking guy has been consistently dead last in intended air yards per attempt.....but he's been 'effective' throwing deep ? I'm not impressed.

#MediocrePussy
 
The 'effectiveness' stat is silly bullshit when viewed in the team context.

When you're 25th in attempting passes over 20 yards and 24th in completing those passes.....your deep game is anything but 'effective'. In fact, it sucks.

It's like saying a baseball player had 3 at bats and hit 1 home run.....He was number one in home run hitting effectiveness.

In 2019, PB was #3 on the 'effectiveness' meter but the Raider deep passing game was bottom tier because PB didn't take enough shots downfield.

If you want to have a truly effective deep game, you can't be 25th in attempting deep passes.

PB needs to throw more intermediate and long passes to be truly 'effective' and for the Raider offense to be more explosive.

Fucking guy has been consistently dead last in intended air yards per attempt.....but he's been 'effective' throwing deep ? I'm not impressed.

#MediocrePussy
Lol. It’s just information. Why so butt hurt over information? And why are you cherry picking ‘19, his low year in attempts when Carr has ranked in the top 13 in attempts multiple times? And in ‘15, ‘16 and ‘20 Carr ranked well in number of completions, which is far more important than number of attempts, and he ranked even better in effectiveness—which is precisely what a coach wants throwing deep. Lol.

As to intermediate routes, I agree. Jon and Carr are both risk adverse, and that, to me, is where it shows up.
 
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Not butt hurt at all. Just pointing out that the effectiveness stat is silly bullshit in the grand scheme of things. Why are YOU so butt hurt that I pointed that out ?
 
Not butt hurt at all. Just pointing out that the effectiveness stat is silly bullshit in the grand scheme of things. Why are YOU so butt hurt that I pointed that out ?
In the grand scheme of things in evaluating throwing deep, which was relevant to whether Carr’s success last year was Agholor dependent, anyone with a brain (which includes you) would rank it has follows:
  1. Number of 20+ yard completions
  2. Effectiveness, which rates the effectiveness of attempts by completions, yards, pics and points (i.e., QB rating)
  3. Number of attempts, which is far less important than number of completions, as it includes attempts that result in no completions, no yards and no points.
But you hang on to your number of attempts plus zero effectiveness (or shitty QR rating) narrative — and keep cherry picking stats — b/c you hate Carr, and, oddly, whine as much or more than him. Lol
 
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Disagree strongly that number of attempts doesn’t matter.
Doesn’t matter? Nobody said doesn’t matter. It just does matter as much as number of completions. And if you have a good number of completions, then yards and points, i.e., effectiveness, is precisely what you want, seems to me.
 
Doesn’t matter? Nobody said doesn’t matter. It just does matter as much as number of completions. And if you have a good number of completions, then yards and points, i.e., effectiveness, is precisely what you want, seems to me.

It matters when completions are limited because of limited attempts. And incompletions have their benefit as well.
 
It matters when completions are limited because of limited attempts. And incompletions have their benefit as well.
Sure. But I’d rather have completions, and being in top 12 in completions and top 5 in effectiveness is good. And Carr did it twice with Cooper and Crabby and once with Waller and Agholor. In terms of raw attempts, Carr’s been in top 13 three times as well.
 
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I’d rather he play like he did last year in that regard. I suspect you would too.
 
I’d rather he play like he did last year in that regard. I suspect you would too.
Yes, we prefer winning football, i.e., the way Carr played in ‘15, ‘16, ‘20, over rookie Carr, lost confidence/Downing Carr, shell-shocked Carr with no weapons and blocking, playing from behind, and regaining confidence/“transitioning” Carr. Lol. Did Plunkett, 23-38 in NE, 11-15 in SF, need any less of a team than Carr to win? Bet Plunkett played on teams with better D than G fielded. Good thing Al didn’t listen to Pat/‘9er fans, and all their crying about Plunkett and his .391 winning % before joining the Raiders w/HOF players on the OL and D. Even with 2 SB rings and 8 seasons with the Raiders, Plunkett did not end up with a career winning record after sitting on the bench an entire season to get his head/body right.
 
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It matters when completions are limited because of limited attempts. And incompletions have their benefit as well.
Absolutely.

Became a running joke when the Raiders would ALWAYS throw a bomb on their first series. Didn't complete many of those, but it served to put the defense on their heels.

PB's pick sixes against the Jets and Chiefs 2 years ago put the Raiders into a death spiral from which the team never recovered. Those pick 6's were direct results of safeties jumping short routes because they knew PB wasn't going to try to stretch the field.

Effective deep thrower, my ass.
 
Absolutely.

Became a running joke when the Raiders would ALWAYS throw a bomb on their first series. Didn't complete many of those, but it served to put the defense on their heels.

PB's pick sixes against the Jets and Chiefs 2 years ago put the Raiders into a death spiral from which the team never recovered. Those pick 6's were direct results of safeties jumping short routes because they knew PB wasn't going to try to stretch the field. Lol

Effective deep thrower, my ass.
I agree with you about the pick 6 against KC. It looked like the D showed up that day. But the Jets game was all but over already given the score and the way the D was playing in NY. As for your ass, its blind to other QBs or has a shitty memory. Lol. But the point was about whether last year’s success was Agholor dependent. I was pointing out the reasons weighing against that conclusion. I hope Agholor flops in NE and we have a Top 10 scoring O again.
 
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I agree with you about the pick 6 against KC. It looked like the D showed up that day. But the Jets game was all but over already given the score and the way the D was playing in NY. As for your ass, its blind to other QBs or has a shitty memory. Lol. But the point was about whether last year’s success was Agholor dependent. I was pointing out the reasons weighing against that conclusion. I hope Agholor flops in NE and we have a Top 10 scoring O again.
No, the Jet game wasn't looking good, but it wasn't over until the pick 6. That was the nail in the coffin. Came after PB nearly got Renfrow killed a play earlier. Another play in which PB stared his target down, with zero intent to push the ball down the field.

And the issue is NOT whether PB is Agholor dependent. That's a sub-story. The issue is whether Carr is an 'effective' deep passer. I say he's not. And your '# 3 in effectiveness' despite being #25 in attempts is silly nonsense.

BTW, I've got a pretty good memory. Admittedly, it's not what it used to be. But that's to be expected at my age. Also, my ass is clean. I followed Bones' advice. Wash your ass !
 
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