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Which is one of the reasons we need to stop sending police to take care of these calls. Send someone qualified to help people with mental issues and if they fail and/or violence occurs - then send officers to the scene.

But I see it from both sides. Our police are underqualified/overworked/undertrained/over dependent on force. Our laws and society are set up where underprivileged are often "over policed" as well. These are issues we have at our foundation. It takes slow cultural change to fix.
I recall watching a documentary on the Camden Police. They showed a scene where there was a guy walking down the street with a knife. There are about four cops around him staying about 15 feet away talking to him in a calm voice asking him to put the Knife Down. Nobody Drew their gun and the guy put down his weapon. The cop in the documentary stated if this had happened a year earlier, they would have shot him. I agree that police don't know what they're doing. More training and a better attitude would be the first steps
 
I recall watching a documentary on the Camden Police. They showed a scene where there was a guy walking down the street with a knife. There are about four cops around him staying about 15 feet away talking to him in a calm voice asking him to put the Knife Down. Nobody Drew their gun and the guy put down his weapon. The cop in the documentary stated if this had happened a year earlier, they would have shot him. I agree that police don't know what they're doing. More training and a better attitude would be the first steps

Yea our police force is ass backwards for a lot of things. Training, recruitment, hiring, testing, certifications, internal investigations, etc. I get why things are what they are. But that doesn't mean we don't shoot for being better. "Defunding" is a bad way to talk about reorganization - but it's at least a start to talk about it.
 
I recall watching a documentary on the Camden Police. They showed a scene where there was a guy walking down the street with a knife. There are about four cops around him staying about 15 feet away talking to him in a calm voice asking him to put the Knife Down. Nobody Drew their gun and the guy put down his weapon. The cop in the documentary stated if this had happened a year earlier, they would have shot him. I agree that police don't know what they're doing. More training and a better attitude would be the first steps

I could be wrong but wasn’t Camden one of the cities where they had cops back walking the beat and interacting more with the community. I think they did it in other cities and it seemed to be working. Then for some reason because of funding or whatever, they stopped it.
 
The first thing that goes away when you defund something is training. Instead of dedicated training you get OJT. With a partner who could be an asshole. What could go wrong?
 
I recall watching a documentary on the Camden Police. They showed a scene where there was a guy walking down the street with a knife. There are about four cops around him staying about 15 feet away talking to him in a calm voice asking him to put the Knife Down. Nobody Drew their gun and the guy put down his weapon. The cop in the documentary stated if this had happened a year earlier, they would have shot him. I agree that police don't know what they're doing. More training and a better attitude would be the first steps
Look at the “reforms” in Chicago and SF. Building a better police force — one that enforces the law and that citizens can be proud of — is NOT what they are doing. That is a political mirage.
 
Yea our police force is ass backwards for a lot of things. Training, recruitment, hiring, testing, certifications, internal investigations, etc. I get why things are what they are. But that doesn't mean we don't shoot for being better. "Defunding" is a bad way to talk about reorganization - but it's at least a start to talk about it.
“Defunding” is at least being honest. It is exactly what they want. The dishonest politicians and media say “reform.” Wish we had a model of what good reform looks like. But that would actually require enforcing the law and fairly dealing with the encounters that result in shitty occurrences with cops and the poor in crime-inflicted areas.
 
I could be wrong but wasn’t Camden one of the cities where they had cops back walking the beat and interacting more with the community. I think they did it in other cities and it seemed to be working. Then for some reason because of funding or whatever, they stopped it.
Politics have made community policing untenable. They were throwing buckets of water on NYPD cops. Lol.
 
I'm all for defunding the police and hiring social workers in the community's that want to do that. I think we will start seeing that happen in places like Minneapolis and Chicago. No fucks given because I don't live there and have no desire to visit.

Are more Americans injured or killed in Afghanistan than Chicago? I really don't know...
I foresee alotta dead and battered social workers in your future..
 
When I was in middle school, there was a teacher would would throw kids across the room, hit them in the head. He did it loudly and everyone could hear him. The teachers did nothing. What do you think of those teachers?


oh - you had Sister Mary Theresa too ?
 
255 male “transgender” inmates behind bars in the state of California are demanding transfer to female-only jails following the passage of a controversial new law.

The SB 132 law, which went into effect on Jan. 1, mandates for all “transgender, nonbinary, or intersex” to be “addressed in a manner consistent with the incarcerated individual’s gender identity,” and “housed at a correctional facility designated for men or women based on the individual’s preference.”




the kind of justice reform we want... the kind of justice reform we need..
 
Yea our police force is ass backwards for a lot of things. Training, recruitment, hiring, testing, certifications, internal investigations, etc. I get why things are what they are. But that doesn't mean we don't shoot for being better. "Defunding" is a bad way to talk about reorganization - but it's at least a start to talk about it.
It may be the best way of getting rid of the unions.
 
I could be wrong but wasn’t Camden one of the cities where they had cops back walking the beat and interacting more with the community. I think they did it in other cities and it seemed to be working. Then for some reason because of funding or whatever, they stopped it.
I don't live in or near Camden. I recall seeing the documentary a few years ago. I have no idea how it turned out but they learned a lot about de-escalating. I have dealt with angry mentally ill individuals. I just remain calm regardless of what they say. Asserting my authority would only escalate the situation. Making the person feel like I am in the situation with them and empathizing with them brings things down quickly. It isn't like most of this stuff we see is dealing with an active rapist or anything like that. If you walk around with a hammer in your hand 24 7, you will find a nail to hit with it.
 
255 male “transgender” inmates behind bars in the state of California are demanding transfer to female-only jails following the passage of a controversial new law.

The SB 132 law, which went into effect on Jan. 1, mandates for all “transgender, nonbinary, or intersex” to be “addressed in a manner consistent with the incarcerated individual’s gender identity,” and “housed at a correctional facility designated for men or women based on the individual’s preference.”




the kind of justice reform we want... the kind of justice reform we need..
If I were in jail, I would transition to a female (a lesbian of course) and demand a transfer.
 
Unions certainly play a role against private corporations. But they mainly exist today to steal tax dollars and elect politicians.
Sadly this is true. I don't know how unions can force people to pay them and then spend that money on politics. Crazy stupid imo.
 
Look at the “reforms” in Chicago and SF. Building a better police force — one that enforces the law and that citizens can be proud of — is NOT what they are doing. That is a political mirage.
I have no idea what Chicago and SF are doing. I can tell right from wrong when I see it. We went from a country that was founded on protecting citizens from government to one that kills and harasses its citizens and it goes basically unchecked. The way I see it is that as policing increased in this country, so did violent crime. The more laws we pass, the more violent crime we have. Focus on rape and murder and child molestation. Those are the things I worry about. I couldn't care less if someone is getting high behind the local mini mart.
 
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