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No thanks. Too much baggage for his ageYeah, about Thomas...buyer beware...
‘If you’re not part of us, we don’t really need you’
After his public separation from the Seahawks — and his second broken tibia in three years — free-agent interest in Thomas was modest. He had only a few one-year offers and was prepared to accept one with the Chiefs before the Ravens jumped in with a four-year, $55 million deal.
At his introductory news conference, Thomas admitted he didn’t do much homework on the organization or the city. The Ravens simply offered more money and years. Thomas didn’t crack a smile, his demeanor standing in stark contrast to another prominent free-agent signing, the playful, outgoing running back Mark Ingram. “Some dogs don’t bark,” Ravens defensive coordinator Don “Wink” Martindale said of Thomas after the news conference. “They just bite.”
During training camp, Thomas admitted frustration trying to learn a new and more complicated role than the one he had played in Seattle, but even if he wasn’t as explosive as he once was, there was every reason to believe he could still be an impact player. When he intercepted Miami’s Ryan Fitzpatrick on the Ravens’ first defensive possession of the season, one coach yelled “We got Earl Thomas!” into the headset.
The excitement soon wore off. Thomas struggled to make game-changing plays for his new team. Before Baltimore’s Week 3 game against Kansas City, Thomas boasted about how he would eliminate the Chiefs’ big plays, citing that as the reason he was signed. Kansas City scored 33 points and totaled 503 yards of offense. A week later, Thomas angered some fans when he pulled up around midfield and decided not to chase Browns running back Nick Chubb during Chubb’s 88-yard touchdown run. Thomas said later that he sustained a hamstring injury needlessly chasing down a similar play in Seattle and wasn’t about to jeopardize his season by doing it again.
It was a case of bad optics more than anything, but it looked even worse when reports surfaced after the game that Thomas challenged veteran nose tackle Brandon Williams in the training room following the 40-25 loss, questioning why Williams — a popular and productive player and an understated leader in the locker room — hadn’t played. Thomas never really embraced the Ravens’ close-knit locker room and well-established team culture. He kept mostly to himself, even though several veterans tried hard to include him.
The players rallied around Thomas when the Ravens went to Seattle and beat his former team in Week 7, but then Thomas left for the bye week early — on his own plane, without much of a heads up. He returned to Baltimore a day later than he was scheduled to report back to the team. Thomas said he misunderstood when he had to be back and also complained of a sore knee.
Thomas garnered fines for showing up late to meetings or missing them entirely. And he surely annoyed members of the Ravens coaching staff with his unfiltered interviews, including essentially guaranteeing the team would be in the Super Bowl before the calendar turned to December. But team officials, cognizant of his mercurial personality and the adjustment he was making after being in Seattle for so long, gave him some leeway. Thomas seemed to be getting more and more comfortable as the season went on and embraced the freedom of Baltimore’s defense. He was playing well and the Ravens were winning, finishing the regular season with 12 consecutive wins and going 14-2 overall, the best regular season in franchise history.
But the morning after a desultory loss to the Titans in the divisional round, when players, still in shock, filed into the team facility to clean out their lockers and hold season-ending meetings with coaches, Thomas was a no-show.
Harbaugh publicly supported Thomas in early May after TMZ reported about an altercation a month earlier in which Earl’s wife Nina pointed a gun at his head after she allegedly found him in bed with another woman. Quietly, team officials fumed that Thomas did not notify them of the embarrassing incident but instead took to Instagram to get ahead of the story.
Thomas had extremely limited contact with team officials and did not participate in much of the Ravens’ virtual offseason program but reported to training camp in shape and in good form. Behind the scenes, however, things were significantly worse than the previous year. Thomas was blowing off meetings and walk-throughs and incurring more fines. When he did practice, he did it on his terms. He snapped at coaches and teammates, his behavior ranging from volatile to completely withdrawn.
“He was just surly all the time,” one Raven said.
Things came to a head during a training camp practice on Aug. 21, when Thomas misplayed a coverage and gave up a long touchdown pass to tight end Mark Andrews. Fellow starting safety Chuck Clark was incensed, spiking his helmet and yelling in Thomas’ direction that he wouldn’t be blowing coverages so often if he attended walk-throughs. Thomas then sucker-punched an unsuspecting Clark, one of the most respected players on the team. Teammates and coaches got between the two before the incident got even uglier.
Thomas was sent home. Several players fumed, making it clear to Harbaugh and general manager Eric DeCosta they didn’t want Thomas back in the building. Harbaugh met a group of veteran leaders on the team who told him Thomas needed to go, with only one offensive player dissenting. It hardly mattered that it was just three weeks before the regular-season opener against Cleveland, and the Ravens, a team with Super Bowl aspirations, didn’t have an experienced replacement behind Thomas. Two days after the altercation, the Ravens sent out a 17-word press release: “We have terminated S Earl Thomas’ contract for personal conduct that has adversely affected the Baltimore Ravens.”
By releasing Thomas for a violation of the personal conduct policy, the Ravens revealed their intentions not to pay Thomas the $10 million in guaranteed money he’s owed this year. Two months later, the NFLPA filed a grievance on behalf of Thomas. “I believe that the Ravens organization stands by certain principles,” veteran defensive back Jimmy Smith said after Thomas’ departure. “It’s a certain type of culture here. No matter who you are, you’ve got to be part of us. If you’re not part of us, we don’t really need you.”
When Baltimore moved on from Thomas, there was again some thought that he might end up in Dallas. The Cowboys needed safety help, but some who played for Dallas coach Mike McCarthy in Green Bay suspected otherwise, for they had become familiar with a saying McCarthy shared with them more than once: “When your bullshit quotient exceeds your production, you are gone.” One top executive said Thomas’ play had “significantly declined with Baltimore.”
“Players like that, you accept their flaws and being uncoachable as long as they are playing at a high level,” he added. “Once their play drops, which his did considerably, then the juice is not worth the squeeze.”
Thomas, who turns 32 in May, has mostly kept a low profile since his Ravens’ release, although he regularly updates his Instagram feed, posting pictures of himself and his family and promoting “Area 29,” a Houston-based gentleman’s club that opened in November. He sometimes documents workouts, offering the occasional reminder that he’s staying ready for another opportunity, but neither Thomas nor Mulugheta, a groomsman in Thomas’ wedding in addition to his agent, have spoken about the safety’s plans. Neither responded to attempts to contact them for this story.
Several former teammates and coaches expressed concern about the impact a premature end to Thomas’ career would have on his psyche. Although they questioned his commitment level at times, particularly in Baltimore, Thomas’ passion for the sport and for competition always came through on the field. Throughout his career, he made clear that his legacy, his standing in the league, mattered to him.
Earlier this season, Houston expressed interest in Thomas. It was a move that made sense on paper, but things changed after the Texans and Ravens played in Week 2. Players from the two teams talked about Thomas after the game, and when word leaked that Houston had interest, Texans players reached out to then-coach Bill O’Brien and the front office to tell them they didn’t want to play with Earl Thomas.
https://theathletic.com/2300975/2021/01/06/earl-thomas-iii-where-seahawks-ravens/
guys... I think we've finally found our safetyYeah, about Thomas...buyer beware...
‘If you’re not part of us, we don’t really need you’
After his public separation from the Seahawks — and his second broken tibia in three years — free-agent interest in Thomas was modest. He had only a few one-year offers and was prepared to accept one with the Chiefs before the Ravens jumped in with a four-year, $55 million deal.
At his introductory news conference, Thomas admitted he didn’t do much homework on the organization or the city. The Ravens simply offered more money and years. Thomas didn’t crack a smile, his demeanor standing in stark contrast to another prominent free-agent signing, the playful, outgoing running back Mark Ingram. “Some dogs don’t bark,” Ravens defensive coordinator Don “Wink” Martindale said of Thomas after the news conference. “They just bite.”
During training camp, Thomas admitted frustration trying to learn a new and more complicated role than the one he had played in Seattle, but even if he wasn’t as explosive as he once was, there was every reason to believe he could still be an impact player. When he intercepted Miami’s Ryan Fitzpatrick on the Ravens’ first defensive possession of the season, one coach yelled “We got Earl Thomas!” into the headset.
The excitement soon wore off. Thomas struggled to make game-changing plays for his new team. Before Baltimore’s Week 3 game against Kansas City, Thomas boasted about how he would eliminate the Chiefs’ big plays, citing that as the reason he was signed. Kansas City scored 33 points and totaled 503 yards of offense. A week later, Thomas angered some fans when he pulled up around midfield and decided not to chase Browns running back Nick Chubb during Chubb’s 88-yard touchdown run. Thomas said later that he sustained a hamstring injury needlessly chasing down a similar play in Seattle and wasn’t about to jeopardize his season by doing it again.
It was a case of bad optics more than anything, but it looked even worse when reports surfaced after the game that Thomas challenged veteran nose tackle Brandon Williams in the training room following the 40-25 loss, questioning why Williams — a popular and productive player and an understated leader in the locker room — hadn’t played. Thomas never really embraced the Ravens’ close-knit locker room and well-established team culture. He kept mostly to himself, even though several veterans tried hard to include him.
The players rallied around Thomas when the Ravens went to Seattle and beat his former team in Week 7, but then Thomas left for the bye week early — on his own plane, without much of a heads up. He returned to Baltimore a day later than he was scheduled to report back to the team. Thomas said he misunderstood when he had to be back and also complained of a sore knee.
Thomas garnered fines for showing up late to meetings or missing them entirely. And he surely annoyed members of the Ravens coaching staff with his unfiltered interviews, including essentially guaranteeing the team would be in the Super Bowl before the calendar turned to December. But team officials, cognizant of his mercurial personality and the adjustment he was making after being in Seattle for so long, gave him some leeway. Thomas seemed to be getting more and more comfortable as the season went on and embraced the freedom of Baltimore’s defense. He was playing well and the Ravens were winning, finishing the regular season with 12 consecutive wins and going 14-2 overall, the best regular season in franchise history.
But the morning after a desultory loss to the Titans in the divisional round, when players, still in shock, filed into the team facility to clean out their lockers and hold season-ending meetings with coaches, Thomas was a no-show.
Harbaugh publicly supported Thomas in early May after TMZ reported about an altercation a month earlier in which Earl’s wife Nina pointed a gun at his head after she allegedly found him in bed with another woman. Quietly, team officials fumed that Thomas did not notify them of the embarrassing incident but instead took to Instagram to get ahead of the story.
Thomas had extremely limited contact with team officials and did not participate in much of the Ravens’ virtual offseason program but reported to training camp in shape and in good form. Behind the scenes, however, things were significantly worse than the previous year. Thomas was blowing off meetings and walk-throughs and incurring more fines. When he did practice, he did it on his terms. He snapped at coaches and teammates, his behavior ranging from volatile to completely withdrawn.
“He was just surly all the time,” one Raven said.
Things came to a head during a training camp practice on Aug. 21, when Thomas misplayed a coverage and gave up a long touchdown pass to tight end Mark Andrews. Fellow starting safety Chuck Clark was incensed, spiking his helmet and yelling in Thomas’ direction that he wouldn’t be blowing coverages so often if he attended walk-throughs. Thomas then sucker-punched an unsuspecting Clark, one of the most respected players on the team. Teammates and coaches got between the two before the incident got even uglier.
Thomas was sent home. Several players fumed, making it clear to Harbaugh and general manager Eric DeCosta they didn’t want Thomas back in the building. Harbaugh met a group of veteran leaders on the team who told him Thomas needed to go, with only one offensive player dissenting. It hardly mattered that it was just three weeks before the regular-season opener against Cleveland, and the Ravens, a team with Super Bowl aspirations, didn’t have an experienced replacement behind Thomas. Two days after the altercation, the Ravens sent out a 17-word press release: “We have terminated S Earl Thomas’ contract for personal conduct that has adversely affected the Baltimore Ravens.”
By releasing Thomas for a violation of the personal conduct policy, the Ravens revealed their intentions not to pay Thomas the $10 million in guaranteed money he’s owed this year. Two months later, the NFLPA filed a grievance on behalf of Thomas. “I believe that the Ravens organization stands by certain principles,” veteran defensive back Jimmy Smith said after Thomas’ departure. “It’s a certain type of culture here. No matter who you are, you’ve got to be part of us. If you’re not part of us, we don’t really need you.”
When Baltimore moved on from Thomas, there was again some thought that he might end up in Dallas. The Cowboys needed safety help, but some who played for Dallas coach Mike McCarthy in Green Bay suspected otherwise, for they had become familiar with a saying McCarthy shared with them more than once: “When your bullshit quotient exceeds your production, you are gone.” One top executive said Thomas’ play had “significantly declined with Baltimore.”
“Players like that, you accept their flaws and being uncoachable as long as they are playing at a high level,” he added. “Once their play drops, which his did considerably, then the juice is not worth the squeeze.”
Thomas, who turns 32 in May, has mostly kept a low profile since his Ravens’ release, although he regularly updates his Instagram feed, posting pictures of himself and his family and promoting “Area 29,” a Houston-based gentleman’s club that opened in November. He sometimes documents workouts, offering the occasional reminder that he’s staying ready for another opportunity, but neither Thomas nor Mulugheta, a groomsman in Thomas’ wedding in addition to his agent, have spoken about the safety’s plans. Neither responded to attempts to contact them for this story.
Several former teammates and coaches expressed concern about the impact a premature end to Thomas’ career would have on his psyche. Although they questioned his commitment level at times, particularly in Baltimore, Thomas’ passion for the sport and for competition always came through on the field. Throughout his career, he made clear that his legacy, his standing in the league, mattered to him.
Earlier this season, Houston expressed interest in Thomas. It was a move that made sense on paper, but things changed after the Texans and Ravens played in Week 2. Players from the two teams talked about Thomas after the game, and when word leaked that Houston had interest, Texans players reached out to then-coach Bill O’Brien and the front office to tell them they didn’t want to play with Earl Thomas.
https://theathletic.com/2300975/2021/01/06/earl-thomas-iii-where-seahawks-ravens/
guys... I think we've finally found our safety
Hopefully CV19 and the number of better and comparable options keeps Agholor’s price down and he re-ups.NFL free agency WR rankings: Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin lead loaded class
By Sheil Kapadia Feb 24, 2021
Editor’s note: Third in an eight-part series
As of this writing, the free-agent wide receiver class looks loaded. The question is whether it will stay that way by the time the new league year starts March 17. Top players like Allen Robinson, Chris Godwin and Kenny Golladay could receive franchise tags from their respective teams. But if they reach the open market, this position could see more blockbuster deals than any other in free agency.
Below is a look at the wide receivers who are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents, with their ages as of Week 1 in parentheses.
Tier 1: Empty out the wallet
These are players who can expect to find deals at the top of the market for their position.
Allen Robinson, Chicago Bears (28)
Robinson’s talent is obvious, but his level of production with below-average quarterback play has been especially impressive. Robinson’s 2,397 receiving yards over the last two seasons ranks third among wide receivers, behind only Stefon Diggs and DeAndre Hopkins. He’s a legit outside No. 1 wide receiver who would fit pretty much any scheme. The Bears could use the franchise tag on Robinson and then try to keep him or trade him. That could potentially force him to wait to test the open market until next offseason. But if he gets a long-term deal this year, Robinson is likely to join the growing list of wide receivers (Hopkins, Julio Jones, Keenan Allen, Amari Cooper) who make at least $20 million per year.
Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (25)
A number of teams could have Godwin as their top-ranked free-agent wide receiver. Like Robinson, he could get tagged. But if he hits the open market, Godwin will be attractive to pretty much any team that has cap space and is in need of wide receiver help. He is a complete player who can win at all levels and play outside or in the slot, where he lined up 51.6 percent of the time last season. Godwin was prolific in 2019 with 86 catches for 1,333 yards and nine touchdowns. He battled injuries in 2020 but still caught 65 balls for 840 yards and seven touchdowns in 12 regular-season games. Like Robinson, Godwin could find a deal in the $20 million per year range.
Tier 2: Just a notch below
These are players who are likely to find big paydays as No. 1 or No. 2 wide receivers but might not be quite at the top of the market.
Kenny Golladay, Detroit Lions (27)
He’s another player who could get tagged. If Golladay hits the open market, it’s entirely possible that he gets a huge payday, and you could easily make the case that he belongs in Tier 1. But he has more questions than Robinson and Godwin, given that he’s coming off a season in which he played just five games because of a hip injury. When healthy, Golladay has been a monster. His 2,253 yards across 2018 and 2019 ranked ninth among all wide receivers. He’s averaged 16.8 yards per reception (YPR) for his career and is a terrific downfield threat who knows how to use his size to out-muscle opponents. As long as there are no lingering questions about Golladay’s hip injury, he should be in line to land a deal that’s at least in the neighborhood of $17 million to $18 million per year.
JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pittsburgh Steelers (24)
He has a different skill set and will serve a different role than the three receivers already mentioned. Smith-Schuster lined up in the slot 74.6 percent of the time last year. He had 97 catches for 831 yards and nine touchdowns and is a great option to work the middle, intermediate part of the field. Smith-Schuster also brings a toughness that teams will find appealing. He entered the league at a young age and will be just 24 at the start of next season, meaning Smith-Schuster could just now be entering his prime. Players like Robert Woods, Adam Thielen and Cooper Kupp received contracts in the neighborhood of $16 million per year. That seems like a reasonable floor for any potential deal with Smith-Schuster.
Corey Davis, Tennessee Titans (26)
Davis is coming off of a career year in which he had 65 catches for 984 yards and five touchdowns in 14 games. He hasn’t lived up to his draft slot (taken fifth in 2017), and the Titans declined his fifth-year option, but Davis is still young and offers the floor of an above-average No. 2 wide receiver. Teams could easily talk themselves into him having a No. 1 wide receiver ceiling and putting up bigger numbers in a pass-heavy offense. The advanced numbers are kind to Davis. He averaged 2.7 yards per route run in the regular season, which ranked fourth behind only Davante Adams, A.J. Brown and Justin Jefferson.
Tier 3: Starting-caliber options
These are players who are unlikely to be viewed as No. 1 options but definitely project as starters. Players in this tier will likely find deals that pay between $8 million and $12 million per season.
Will Fuller, Houston Texans (27)
In late November, it looked like Fuller was making the most of his contract year, and if this list were produced at that time, he would have definitely landed in Tier 2. But then he got suspended for the final five games for violating the league’s performance-enhancing drugs policy. Previously, the question with Fuller was durability. He has missed at least five games in each of the past four seasons. When healthy, there’s no denying Fuller’s speed and talent. He had 53 catches for 879 yards and eight touchdowns last season and ranked sixth in yards per route run. But given the injury history and last year’s suspension, there’s considerable risk in signing Fuller to a long-term contract. He’s the ultimate boom-or-bust free agent, and it’s tough to predict what his market will be.
Curtis Samuel, Carolina Panthers (25)
For a while, the idea of Samuel was better than the actual player. But in 2020, he set career highs with 77 catches for 851 yards. And Samuel was much more efficient than he had been previously, catching 79.4 percent of his targets and ranking 20th out of 78 qualifying wide receivers in yards per route run. The Panthers used Samuel as a ballcarrier, too — he had 41 carries for 200 yards. With the right offensive coach, Samuel is a really fun player. With the wrong one, he could be a bust. But he produced his career season at the perfect time to get paid, and his speed and versatility will be attractive to a lot of teams.
Nelson Agholor, Raiders (28)
He settled for a one-year, $1.05 million deal last offseason and produced a career year, catching 48 balls for 896 yards. Agholor averaged 18.7 yards YPR, which ranked second league-wide, and he was 16th in yards per route run. Agholor was pegged as a slot receiver during his time with the Philadelphia Eagles, but he lined up on the outside more than 70 percent of the time with the Raiders. He should have a much different market this time around.
T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts (31)
He started off slow but came on strong in the second half of the season and finished with 56 catches for 762 yards and five touchdowns. Just two years ago, Hilton totaled 1,270 yards with Andrew Luck as his quarterback. Hilton’s best days are likely behind him, but he should still have at least a couple of years left as a starting-caliber player. Emmanuel Sanders’ two-year, $16 million deal with the Saints could be a good comp for Hilton.
Marvin Jones, Detroit Lions (31)
Would you believe that over the last five years, Jones ranks 16th among wide receivers in receiving yards and seventh in touchdowns? He was a high-volume option in 2020, catching 76 balls on 115 targets for 978 yards and nine touchdowns. But he ranked 46th among 78 qualifying wide receivers in yards per route run. Jones could be a relatively low-cost, reliable veteran option.
BR.net has been pounding the table for years. The last good D we had Charles played FS.
Erik Burkhardt @ErikBurkhardt
I completely agree with what an NFL Defensive Coordinator just told me: “In today’s NFL, free safety is the position that ALL coaches on both sides of the ball understand how critical is to have... yet too many GMs don’t... until they don’t have one.”
guys... I think we've finally found our safety
He doesn’t sound like a foundational Gruden grinder.