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xramfan said:
I agree but still waiting for the investigation and ME report. I can understand anger directed at the PD and/or civic buildings. Just never understood the private property theft and destruction in your own backyard. You cant reopen businesses and help your local economy by burning them to the ground. Numbnuts
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And while politicians pander for votes, businesses won’t forget. Insurance companies won’t forget. The hate being directed to cops will drive down recruitment and increase the asshole quotient in the profession. Law enforcement must be part of the solution. Losing sight of that is self-destructive.
 
kinz said:
Looks like MSP is going to curtail people's freedom

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ar-zone-following-day-George-Floyd-riots.html

And I'm sorry for speaking bluntly, a person that signifies approval for someone saying "the only good democrat is a dead democrat (politically speaking)" is inciting hatred, intolerance, and violence. Sooner or later the cork is going to blow on things.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/presid...ng-the-only-good-democrat-is-a-dead-democrat/
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I wish he’d do better. I wish all of our politicians would do better. If you think the hate that has been spewed towards Trump from before he even got sworn in has not contributed to the polarization and radical behavior than you are not being honest. A politically motivated whack job shot up a Republican baseball practice for goodness sake.

Trump will likely lose the election b/c of this and COVID-19. From highly employed minority communities we got unemployed youths rioting due to bigotry.

I’d much rather Trump lose b/c I actually thought the candidate running against him for President was worth my vote. Instead, we got a handpicked candidate who represents most everything I hate about government.
 
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They rather the whole country burn so they don't have to arrest a cop on his 4th shooting and 2nd murder
 
Sleet said:
So over the top. Cops are not evil. Cops are essential. Humans can be evil. Humans in this profession at too high numbers can be too. That distinction is essential.

The outage over the life of one man is not unwarranted. Look what we are doing to save lives from COVID-19.

What’s odd is how little outrage there is in large cities such as Chicago and Baltimore where many men die every night b/c of crime. Hating on cops only increases that problem. Law and order is necessary. Fighting bigotry in law enforcement is imperative.

Taking the side of those castigating cops is counter-productive and not part of the solution. That will simply increase the number of Chicago's and Baltimore’s.
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I disagree. Cops are nasty. All police departments have bad cops and when other cops turn a blind eye, it makes them bad too.

Example. When I was in 8th grade, we had a teacher who would hit kids, throw them and their desks around the room. Smack boys and girls in the head. It was loud and the classroom doors were open. Not a single teacher on that floor did anything to help us kids. I hold them all responsible and I don't have a sliver of respect for any of them.
 
Sleet said:
I wish he’d do better. I wish all of our politicians would do better. If you think the hate that has been spewed towards Trump from before he even got sworn in has not contributed to the polarization and radical behavior than you are not being honest. A politically motivated whack job shot up a Republican baseball practice for goodness sake.

Trump will likely lose the election b/c of this and COVID-19. From highly employed minority communities we got unemployed youths rioting due to bigotry.

I’d much rather Trump lose b/c I actually thought the candidate running against him for President was worth my vote. Instead, we got a handpicked candidate who represents most everything I hate about government.
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President approves a message saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat and you say you wish he would do better and talk about the hate shown to him?

The Chicago mayor went there and said things like they need to be said in the coming months. She said to trump --- Fuck you. That is your debate this coming debate season right there.
 
Sleet said:
Really? Guess you haven’t seen blight. Plenty of inner cities still waiting to be rebuilt.
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I live in the suburbs of a city with tons of blight. I also dabble in real estate in that city so I am well aware of it. Viable businesses are more likely to be rebuilt than a house. Those are the toughest to sell.
 
Winston Smith said:
I disagree. Cops are nasty. All police departments have bad cops and when other cops turn a blind eye, it makes them bad too.

Example. When I was in 8th grade, we had a teacher who would hit kids, throw them and their desks around the room. Smack boys and girls in the head. It was loud and the classroom doors were open. Not a single teacher on that floor did anything to help us kids. I hold them all responsible and I don't have a sliver of respect for any of them.
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You don’t like anecdotes in sports but you’ll use them to condemn all cops. Okay.

Well, guess what, you’ll get more of what you hate following your path. Hating on cops only drives down recruitment of good people in the profession. Your hate will increased the asshole quotient. Worse, the lack of respect for cops will only increase crime and violence and more of these awful situations. Hate is rarely the answer. And it’s not here.
 
cruedi said:
what was the cops plan? stay on his neck forever? Nearly 9 miuntes, nearly 3 of those were after he stopped moving.
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And he was aware he was being recorded...which shows the arrogance or culture...he thought nothing would happen...since there were 3 others around (1 is seen), I’d say they all thought nothing about killing the guy, video or not. You have to bring the Feds for a deep dive into the department culture...
 
kinz said:
President approves a message saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat and you say you wish he would do better and talk about the hate shown to him?

The Chicago mayor went there and said things like they need to be said in the coming months. She said to trump --- Fuck you. That is your debate this coming debate season right there.
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Whatever, just don’t pretend it’s all one way. Heck, wasn’t the likely VP candidate the DA for this very precinct and as it’s Senator had plenty of opportunity to address this? Trump’s a moron. He’ll likely lose b/c of this. Apparently that makes you happy.
 
Sleet said:
Whatever, just don’t pretend it’s all one way. Heck, wasn’t the likely VP candidate the DA for this very precinct and as it’s Senator had plenty of opportunity to address this? Trump’s a moron. He’ll likely lose b/c of this. Apparently that makes you happy.
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Seriously, name the last president on either side that approved of a message saying the equivalent of "the only good democrat is a dead democrat". I'm in the middle in terms of voter preference and I find this wrong. And people don't see that? That is when it is pushback time and the way to answer a thing such as that is to tell someone Fuck You and get ready to go.
 
Again, cops are SUPPOSED to be held to a higher standard. Why don’t we bemoan every person that gets shot in Chicago? Because they’re shot by fucking criminals. When criminals commit crimes it isn’t the same as a cop committing one.
 
Winston Smith said:
They will probably be rebuilt.
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True.....but why do they "need" to be rebuilt in the first place? Burning your own neighborhood
down isnt intelligent.....it is emotional.

Businesses looted or destroyed
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In Minneapolis
• Walgreens, 200 W Lake St: Entry smashed, apparent looting, sealed up by Thursday afternoon

• Uptown Pawn, 301 W Lake St: Windows smashed

• Thurston Jewelers, 705 W Lake St: Broken into

• Bondesque, 707 W Lake St: Windows boarded up by Thursday afternoon, apparently all smashed

• Trattoria Mucci, 901 W Lake St: Slight break-in per restaurant's Instagram account

• Palm Beach Tan, 1011 W Lake St: Window boarded up, apparently smashed

• CVS, 1010 W Lake St: Shattered windows, doors and parking lot littered with debris, the aftermath of looting

• Ingebretsen's Scandinavian Gifts, 1601 E Lake St: Broken window and possibly some interior damage

• Chicago-Lake Liquor, 825 E Lake St: Vandals broke in and looted store

• Family Dollar, 1010 E Lake St: Heavy fire damage

• Cadillac Pawn & Jewelry, 1538 E Lake St: First aid given to the wounded man until medics arrived

• Midtown Corner, 2100 E Lake St: Under construction low-income housing was burned to the ground

• Seward Pharmacy, 2209 E Lake St: Smashed windows

• Hennepin County WIC Office, 2215 E Lake St: Smashed windows

• Target, 2500 E Lake St: Heavy looting and physical damage to store

• Auto Zone, 2610 E Lake St: Looted and burned to the ground

• Minnehaha Lake Wine & Spirits, 2613 E Lake St: Burned to the ground

• Town Talk Diner & Gastropub, 2707 E Lake St: Damage to building

• McDonald's, 3110 E Lake St: Graffiti, some broken glass

• Walgreens, 3121 E Lake St: All the windows smashed, apparently looted

• Marathon Gas, 2801 Lyndale Ave S: Windows smashed

• Midtown Market, 2850 26th Ave S: Windows shattered

• Cub Foods, 2850 26th Ave S: Looting and store damage

• Dollar Tree, 2858 26th Ave S: Heavily looted

• Minnesota Transitions Charter School, 2872 26th Ave S Door B: Looted, extensive water damage

• Wendy's, 2931 26th Ave S: Looted, fire damage

• Hexagon Bar, 2600 27th Ave S: Heavy fire damage

• Schooner Tavern, 2901 27th Ave S: Broken windows, other damage

• Aldi, 2929 27th Ave S: Extensively looted

• Walgreens, 4547 Hiawatha Ave: Front window smashed out and door open, some looting

• Sally Beauty, 2740 Minnehaha Ave #120: Heavily looted

• MPD Third Precinct, 3000 Minnehaha Ave: Heavy fire damage, looted

• The Hook and Ladder Theater & Lounge, 3010 Minnehaha Ave: Graffiti and minor damage

• Parkway Pizza, 4359 Minnehaha Ave: Door smashed out, TV ripped from wall, tools stolen

• Walgreens, 4323 Chicago Ave: Window and door damaged at entry

• Ken & Norm's Liquor, 4801 Chicago Ave: Large window apparently smashed out

• Familia Skateshop, 2833 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed

• Tibet Store, 2835 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed

• Arby's, 3000 Snelling Ave: Burned to the ground

In St. Paul
• Lloyd's Pharmacy, 720 Snelling Av. N.: Destroyed/fire

• Goodwill, 1239 University Ave W: All windows smashed

• NAPA Auto Parts, 1271 University Ave W: Heavy fire damage

• CVS, 1300 University Ave W: Store damage

• Target, 1300 University Ave W: Some looting

• Sprint Store, 1360 University Av. N: Property damage, looting

• Furniture Barn, 1389 University Ave W: Heavily looted

• T.J. Maxx, 1410 University Ave W: Smashed doors, heavily looted

• Midway Tobacco Outlet Plus, 1418 University Av. W.: Property damage

• Sports Dome, 1505 University Ave W: Fire damage, looted

• Big Top Liquors, 1544 University Av. W: Property damage

• maX it PAWN, 1519 University Ave W: Looting

• Cub Foods, 2197 Old Hudson Rd: Looted

• Verizon , 474 Hamline Av. N: Property damage
 
kinz said:
Seriously, name the last president on either side that approved of a message saying the equivalent of "the only good democrat is a dead democrat". I'm in the middle in terms of voter preference and I find this wrong. And people don't see that? That is when it is pushback time and the way to answer a thing such as that is to tell someone Fuck You and get ready to go.
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You can vote any way for any reason you want. But if you are going to vote based on stupid or bad statements, I’m not sure there’s candidate for you. If politicians are disqualified for hating their rivals, well, where have you been the last for 4 years?
 
xramfan said:
True.....but why do they "need" to be rebuilt in the first place? Burning your own neighborhood
down isnt intelligent.....it is emotional.

Businesses looted or destroyed
Quote:
In Minneapolis
• Walgreens, 200 W Lake St: Entry smashed, apparent looting, sealed up by Thursday afternoon

• Uptown Pawn, 301 W Lake St: Windows smashed

• Thurston Jewelers, 705 W Lake St: Broken into

• Bondesque, 707 W Lake St: Windows boarded up by Thursday afternoon, apparently all smashed

• Trattoria Mucci, 901 W Lake St: Slight break-in per restaurant's Instagram account

• Palm Beach Tan, 1011 W Lake St: Window boarded up, apparently smashed

• CVS, 1010 W Lake St: Shattered windows, doors and parking lot littered with debris, the aftermath of looting

• Ingebretsen's Scandinavian Gifts, 1601 E Lake St: Broken window and possibly some interior damage

• Chicago-Lake Liquor, 825 E Lake St: Vandals broke in and looted store

• Family Dollar, 1010 E Lake St: Heavy fire damage

• Cadillac Pawn & Jewelry, 1538 E Lake St: First aid given to the wounded man until medics arrived

• Midtown Corner, 2100 E Lake St: Under construction low-income housing was burned to the ground

• Seward Pharmacy, 2209 E Lake St: Smashed windows

• Hennepin County WIC Office, 2215 E Lake St: Smashed windows

• Target, 2500 E Lake St: Heavy looting and physical damage to store

• Auto Zone, 2610 E Lake St: Looted and burned to the ground

• Minnehaha Lake Wine & Spirits, 2613 E Lake St: Burned to the ground

• Town Talk Diner & Gastropub, 2707 E Lake St: Damage to building

• McDonald's, 3110 E Lake St: Graffiti, some broken glass

• Walgreens, 3121 E Lake St: All the windows smashed, apparently looted

• Marathon Gas, 2801 Lyndale Ave S: Windows smashed

• Midtown Market, 2850 26th Ave S: Windows shattered

• Cub Foods, 2850 26th Ave S: Looting and store damage

• Dollar Tree, 2858 26th Ave S: Heavily looted

• Minnesota Transitions Charter School, 2872 26th Ave S Door B: Looted, extensive water damage

• Wendy's, 2931 26th Ave S: Looted, fire damage

• Hexagon Bar, 2600 27th Ave S: Heavy fire damage

• Schooner Tavern, 2901 27th Ave S: Broken windows, other damage

• Aldi, 2929 27th Ave S: Extensively looted

• Walgreens, 4547 Hiawatha Ave: Front window smashed out and door open, some looting

• Sally Beauty, 2740 Minnehaha Ave #120: Heavily looted

• MPD Third Precinct, 3000 Minnehaha Ave: Heavy fire damage, looted

• The Hook and Ladder Theater & Lounge, 3010 Minnehaha Ave: Graffiti and minor damage

• Parkway Pizza, 4359 Minnehaha Ave: Door smashed out, TV ripped from wall, tools stolen

• Walgreens, 4323 Chicago Ave: Window and door damaged at entry

• Ken & Norm's Liquor, 4801 Chicago Ave: Large window apparently smashed out

• Familia Skateshop, 2833 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed

• Tibet Store, 2835 Hennepin Ave: Windows smashed

• Arby's, 3000 Snelling Ave: Burned to the ground

In St. Paul
• Lloyd's Pharmacy, 720 Snelling Av. N.: Destroyed/fire

• Goodwill, 1239 University Ave W: All windows smashed

• NAPA Auto Parts, 1271 University Ave W: Heavy fire damage

• CVS, 1300 University Ave W: Store damage

• Target, 1300 University Ave W: Some looting

• Sprint Store, 1360 University Av. N: Property damage, looting

• Furniture Barn, 1389 University Ave W: Heavily looted

• T.J. Maxx, 1410 University Ave W: Smashed doors, heavily looted

• Midway Tobacco Outlet Plus, 1418 University Av. W.: Property damage

• Sports Dome, 1505 University Ave W: Fire damage, looted

• Big Top Liquors, 1544 University Av. W: Property damage

• maX it PAWN, 1519 University Ave W: Looting

• Cub Foods, 2197 Old Hudson Rd: Looted

• Verizon , 474 Hamline Av. N: Property damage
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holy shit
 
TheNextStep said:
Again, cops are SUPPOSED to be held to a higher standard. Why don’t we bemoan every person that gets shot in Chicago? Because they’re shot by fucking criminals. When criminals commit crimes it isn’t the same as a cop committing one.
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Bang that drum. Hold humans to a higher standard in that profession. Absolutely. But do not degrade or disrespect the profession. It is necessary and a good profession. We lose as a society by running it into the ground. Chicago is worse off for it. The US should not go down that road. Deal with the humans. But promote the profession. No good comes with the alternative. It’s just not in vogue or useful to win votes.
 
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