The Not Too Early 2020 Draft Thread

007 said:
Chris Simms (Who IMO is quickly becoming a good talent evaluator) doesnt have Jeudy in his top 5 WR rankings.

Lamb-Jefferson-Ruggs-Hamler-Higgins.

Says he would not spend a top 20 pick on a dude without some elite physical gifts or alpha traits.
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Bears repeating but Mayock said there should be caution when taking a WR in the first round. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something to that effect. He said most WRs in college never face press coverage.

Example on Lamb:

"benefited from free releases on tape and will need to develop his initial attack vs. press."
 
godeep811 said:
Bears repeating but Mayock said there should be caution when taking a WR in the first round. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something to that effect. He said most WRs in college never face press coverage.
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I remember hearing it.

You want to know what I thought? Seemed like smoke screen/deflection to me.

Pick a position. Any of em. A 20 year old lineman won't have played from a 3 pt stance, a RB will have never pass blocked. A LB will not have called a defense. A corner may have only played zone or press man. A safety might only be tasked with covering the deep 3rd every snap.

I personally didnt buy it for a second.

A guy like Jerry Jeudy or Ceedee Lamb steps onto the field in mini camp with a more developed route tree and nuance to his game than Tyrel Williams has ever had. It depends on the prospect.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
I like Jefferson at WR2
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As we get closer to the draft this shit gets more confusing. Jon Ledyard one of my favorite draftniks (Pewter report) posted his top five. Pittman and Bryan Edwards #5 and #6. Hamler over Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault.

I am starting to think the top 10 WR's are interchangeable every time I read a new list LOL.
 
007 said:
As we get closer to the draft this shit gets more confusing. Jon Ledyard one of my favorite draftniks (Pewter report) posted his top five. Pittman and Bryan Edwards #5 and #6. Hamler over Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault.

I am starting to think the top 10 WR's are interchangeable every time I read a new list LOL.
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Agreed which why my money is on Ruggs being the first to go. He’s the only guy that doesn’t really have an acceptable plan B. Problem is there really aren’t many other players at our picks that make it worth waiting on a WR either. Unless QB.
 
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007 said:
As we get closer to the draft this shit gets more confusing. Jon Ledyard one of my favorite draftniks (Pewter report) posted his top five. Pittman and Bryan Edwards #5 and #6. Hamler over Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault.

I am starting to think the top 10 WR's are interchangeable every time I read a new list LOL.
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Pittman has been getting a lot of late press

I'm gun shy with big USC receivers though.... thanks Mike Williams!
 
gst8 said:
Agreed which why my money is on Ruggs being the first to go. He’s the only guy that doesn’t really have an acceptable plan B. Problem is there really aren’t many other players at our picks that make it worth waiting on a WR either. Unless QB.
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I think you are correct on this. And I hate it.
 
eleven said:
Anybody think the reason we run so much 4-2-5 is because we had no LBs?

Maybe with Murray, Guenther can run an actual 4-3-4?

Just sayin.

Murray -- Littleton -- Kwiatkoski -- muhboner

EDIT: as per usual: sorry if already mentioned. Too many posts to read thru.
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I've actually had this argument on another site before... 'we only need 2 LBs because that's all we played last year!' We only played 2 LBs last year because our 3rd LB was usually a guy off the street signed a few days before. I'm not opposed to Murray at 19.
 
007 said:
As we get closer to the draft this shit gets more confusing. Jon Ledyard one of my favorite draftniks (Pewter report) posted his top five. Pittman and Bryan Edwards #5 and #6. Hamler over Aiyuk/Mims/Shenault.

I am starting to think the top 10 WR's are interchangeable every time I read a new list LOL.
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I just linked his rankings and came to same conclusion. I think depends on what offense you’re running and whether any of these guys who were inside and can play outside. I personally think the whole group is overrated and some of the guys taken later will be better pros.
 
PDX Raider said:
I just linked his rankings and came to same conclusion. I think depends on what offense you’re running and whether any of these guys who were inside and can play outside. I personally think the whole group is overrated and some of the guys taken later will be better pros.
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Good point. I will say I think Lamb is pretty scheme proof.

Ruggs has to be used right. All the sky scrapers and speed guys too.

Lamb is the best guy after the catch. He's good at 50-50 balls. He is a solid route runner at every depth.

We will likely pass on him because our team is retarded but thats what I think of Lamb.
 
I think Lamb and Jefferson are pretty close and that’s not a slight to Lamb at all. The more I think about it the more it makes sense to me that this draft is the one to take a swing at a QB at 12.
 
PDX Raider said:
I just linked his rankings and came to same conclusion. I think depends on what offense you’re running and whether any of these guys who were inside and can play outside. I personally think the whole group is overrated and some of the guys taken later will be better pros.
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Like last years draft we know it has a ton of talent, but it will be pushed down because of the depth. I truly believe if we took out half of these WR's there would be an early run in rounds 1-2. As it stands right now, you can get a really good WR as far back as 3 and possibly 4.

It's not overrated, it's just deep and teams will look to secure other positions 1st where the depth isn't there.
 
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End of the day, the players I feel most confident about at picks 12 and 19 are WR or RB. I know RB is low on the list of needs with Jacobs but man, it would be awesome to have two total stud RBs. Would love to have Lamb at 12 and Taylor at 19.
Beat your ass into submission on offense.
 
007 said:
Chris Simms (Who IMO is quickly becoming a good talent evaluator) doesnt have Jeudy in his top 5 WR rankings.

Lamb-Jefferson-Ruggs-Hamler-Higgins.

Says he would not spend a top 20 pick on a dude without some elite physical gifts or alpha traits.
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That's a bold take. I like that he puts his name on it and gives specific reasoning.

After the Combine, I felt Jeudy was not the clear #1 that he had been touted as.

However, I disagree with Simms on the assessment of Jeudy. He may not test well athletically, but if you watch him on the field, he's a magician at creating separation.

Keenan Allen is another guy who has no elite physical traits, but if he was dropped back into the draft (knowing his outcome as an NFL receiver), don't you think he'd go in the top 20 picks?

There's more to football than physical traits. Football skills are just as valuable. And both Keenan Allen and Jerry Jeudy have these in spades. Jeudy even ran a 4.45 40, which is more than you can say for Allen. He may excel as a #1 target from the slot, but he has enough physical talent to play well out on the boundary.
 
raiderfreak7 said:
I've actually had this argument on another site before... 'we only need 2 LBs because that's all we played last year!' We only played 2 LBs last year because our 3rd LB was usually a guy off the street signed a few days before. I'm not opposed to Murray at 19.
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One or both of those guys gets injured then all of a sudden we trot out the same guys as last year....

I’d RATHER address it in the 3rd. Guys like Weaver, Brooks, Dye and Davion Taylor will probably be there.

But we still lack a viable starter in a base 4-3. Which is roughy 40% of our snaps. Which could increase if we can keep scores closer.
 
Nobodyinparticular said:
That's a bold take. I like that he puts his name on it and gives specific reasoning.

After the Combine, I felt Jeudy was not the clear #1 that he had been touted as.

However, I disagree with Simms on the assessment of Jeudy. He may not test well athletically, but if you watch him on the field, he's a magician at creating separation.

Keenan Allen is another guy who has no elite physical traits, but if he was dropped back into the draft (knowing his outcome as an NFL receiver), don't you think he'd go in the top 20 picks?

There's more to football than physical traits. Football skills are just as valuable. And both Keenan Allen and Jerry Jeudy have these in spades. Jeudy even ran a 4.45 40, which is more than you can say for Allen. He may excel as a #1 target from the slot, but he has enough physical talent to play well out on the boundary.
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I think it is fair to say that Jeudy is getting a bit undersold at this point. I just don't like him because he reminds me of that pouty bitch Amari.
 
Armyr8rfan said:
One or both of those guys gets injured then all of a sudden we trot out the same guys as last year....

I’d RATHER address it in the 3rd. Guys like Weaver, Brooks, Dye and Davion Taylor will probably be there.

But we still lack a viable starter in a base 4-3. Which is roughy 40% of our snaps. Which could increase if we can keep scores closer.
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I just want to draft a good player. I'd rather draft a solid LB at 19 than a bust at CB. I like Murray/Queen so if we went that route I'm not against it.
 
Armyr8rfan said:
One or both of those guys gets injured then all of a sudden we trot out the same guys as last year....

I’d RATHER address it in the 3rd. Guys like Weaver, Brooks, Dye and Davion Taylor will probably be there.

But we still lack a viable starter in a base 4-3. Which is roughy 40% of our snaps. Which could increase if we can keep scores closer.
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Also, I think Queen and Murray are getting propped up in a relatively weak LB class. I absolutely still think we need to address the position at some point in the draft but not sure either of those guys warrants a first rounder unless we are reaching for need...
 
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