Mark Davis "smitten" with derek carr

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Lacanfora just reported this... cant find link, maybe one of you can. I saw it on twitter. Time to change your little al boys. LaCanfora reported 2 days before draft last year that raiders were going to take DJ hayden. I think its pretty safe to say he has someone in the building.

The fresno state fan in me is very excited at the prospect of Derek playing for my raiders, but the raiders fan in me only signs off on this if we pull the trigger on a trade back between 9-15. This team is in dire need of draft picks and an infusion of young talent. trading back could net us multiple extra picks like a second and say a 5th.

Getting an extra second rd pick could allow us to address WR and another position of need.
 
actually my hope is 2-3 trades down. Work you way down to about where the Jets are or even a little later-- as long as you get in before Cleveland's 2nd 1st round pick you should be good. Or maybe he's a 2nd rounder... I really don't know. We'll see what happens with the first four picks and then what TB and Minny do...
 
Just once...ONCE...I'd like to come away with a stud in the 1st round. No matter how many times we trade down, no matter how many extra picks we get...we still come away with a career backup (at best) with our 1st round pick. If we pass on taking a difference maker at #5 to take Carr we deserve all the ridicule in the world.
 
I love Carr, no secret, but We need a immediate difference maker with first pick. I think if Watkins is there we snag him up quick, then work our way back into rd one somewhere somehow to get carr, if this report is true.
 
I love Carr, no secret, but We need a immediate difference maker with first pick. I think if Watkins is there we snag him up quick, then work our way back into rd one somewhere somehow to get carr, if this report is true.

I hate to give up picks with so many glaring holes and our sever lack of depth, but at least in that scenario we come away with a stud player. I don't think that will happen though...Red's M.O. is to trade down, not up.
 
Carr has everything you want from a QB except under pressure. Although i dont think he is as bad as some think on this board under pressure, you cant help but get excited at the prospect of Carr throwing bombs to Watkins for the next 10 years.
 
I hate to give up picks with so many glaring holes and our sever lack of depth, but at least in that scenario we come away with a stud player. I don't think that will happen though...Red's M.O. is to trade down, not up.
very true bro, but if Derek is Mark Davis' boy, and reggie gets his guy in Watkins, i think Mark can tell reggie to pull the trigger to get his guy. there are ways to manufacture picks later on in this draft. Could trade back in rd 3, could trade back in 4, could trade moore to panthers or 49ers. Lots of options, I think if MD wants his guy, McKenzie will go get him to possibly buy himself more time
 
Carr better start week 1
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...-browns-owners-make-play-to-execs-for-manziel

2014 NFL Draft: Jaguars, Browns, Raiders owners to make play for QB?
May 6, 2014 12:59 pm


Never underestimate the role an owner might play in the selection of a quarterback. Especially if a team is picking in the top five. And even more so if that team has been struggling for relevancy for quite some time. Add the need for a real stadium, and the desire for more marketing and sales opportunity in what has become a soft financial market relative to the rest of the league, and you have an scenario ripe for owner intervention.

On top of that, let's say you happen to draft in a year when there is a larger-than-life, dervish of a quarterback dubbed Johnny Football who can be dazzling and confounding, and whose very presence creates immediate headlines and attention and can alter the scope of how the franchise is perceived by broadcast partners and corporations and the like. Obviously, we have exactly this situation this draft, with the long-suffering Jaguars, Browns and Raiders in need of life and with Johnny Manziel uniquely equipped to provide a sort of star power that can transform, if not confound.

Every draft pick is a gamble, and while some evaluators I trust have scoffed at the notion of Manziel as a top NFL quarterback, others maintain there is way too much talent there for him to fall from the top 10 picks, much less the entire first round. Polarizing, to say the least, and no matter where he lands there will be some in the league who will point to ownership as being a driving force as to why. At least in Jacksonville or Cleveland.

In Oakland, I hear owner Mark Davis is smitten with quarterback Derek Carr, and that pressure could be mounting on the front office to take him in the first round. Now, No. 5 overall is awful high, but if you hear about the Raiders trying like heck to move back -- as they did a year ago before selecting DJ Hayden, who some viewed as a reach that high -- I'd start penciling in Carr as the possible pick. Keep an eye on that.

Manziel would make all the business sense in the world in Jacksonville or Cleveland, and I wouldn't begrudge those owners one bit for pushing hard to make that happen. I don't believe Shahid Khan would go to great lengths to do so with the Jaguars, and we'll see if Jimmy Haslam, whose brief tenure in Cleveland has been filled with surprising firings, strange coach searches and bizarre behavior, inserts himself heavily in the Browns top pick.

Cleveland also holds pick No. 26, and I have continued to hear the thought process within the football operations department is receiver Sammy Watkins or possibly tackle Greg Robinson with the first pick, and then a quarterback at 26 (Carr, who I don't believe will be there, or Teddy Bridgewater, who the Browns also have been high on). Manziel would be a distinctly good fit in new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan's style of offense, but trust me, coordinators don't make this pick and especially not guys who were just let go after having their relationship with a young second-overall pick (Robert Griffin III in Washington) completely implode. It won't be his pick; it very well might be the owner's pick.

If Johnny Football brings his game to the banks of the river there, the pick will have the owner's name all over it, for better or worse. It could be the Browns, with a new coach and coaching staff and reconfigured front office, are about to turn the corner with Manziel under center. It just might be a wonderstroke and consider me among those who have championed the idea that Manziel's game will play at the next level (though it might be a five-to-seven year flash, given his style of play, rather than a steady 15-year career). Regardless of where he lands, intrigue about where Manziel and other top quarterbacks land continues to dominate talk as teams try to anticipate who will be remaining when they pick. And there are no shortage of general managers cheering loudly for as many passers to go as high as possible.

QBs could go anywhere
I continue to hear teams not being linked with quarterbacks will take them, perhaps much higher than anyone anticipates. And I understand that this group, as they continue to get dissected, does not scream out with obvious first-round talent to some evaluators.

But let's consider the economics of the new CBA, as many front offices are. If you are picking outside of the top 10, the cost of the fifth-year option on these draft picks is going to be very cheap. Just look at this first class of optioned players, with the Texans making out like gangbusters with J.J. Watt taken with the 11th pick, and not at No. 10 (the equation for compiling option figures for picks outside the top 10 is much cheaper than those in the top 10; Watt's option was only $7M, while top-10 pick Von Miller's was nearly $10M, for instance).

So you can get a bargain basement rate on a position that is among the most expensive in the NFL (quarterback, defensive end and left tackle are usually right up there), and if you are picking in the late 20s, you can control the player for six years, without ever having to commit to a huge new contract with massive guaranteed money (fifth-year option, and then franchise tag in year six). Conversely, if you take that player in the second round, the contract length is only four years and the player has no option hanging over his head and the reality is, if he is a star, he's got a much better chance of getting paid after his third year in the league. So there is an incentive to take a QB because it is such a costly position





Add in the fact guys like Carson Palmer and Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Peyton Manningaren't getting any younger, and I continue to believe a team might just grab one of these guys late in the first round. Seeing Bortles land somewhere no one expected, for instance -- if he's the guy who falls -- wouldn't surprise me at all. If the Texans don't trade down a few spots to take him at the top of the first round, might New England grab him at the end of the first? (Texans coach Bill O'Brien has strong Patriots ties and I could see them liking the same kinds of passers, for instance).

Interesting food for thought, if nothing else, and I'd be quite surprised if the Cardinals didn't take Carr or Bortles at No. 20, and in some scenarios both might even still be on the board.
 
Carr better start week 1

Oh hell no. If we do end up taking him he needs to sit a MINIMUM of two years. No sense ruining him the first year we get him.
 
very true bro, but if Derek is Mark Davis' boy, and reggie gets his guy in Watkins, i think Mark can tell reggie to pull the trigger to get his guy. there are ways to manufacture picks later on in this draft. Could trade back in rd 3, could trade back in 4, could trade moore to panthers or 49ers. Lots of options, I think if MD wants his guy, McKenzie will go get him to possibly buy himself more time

If that does end up being the case then I would have to think Reggie would resign. Also, good luck getting a good GM to come to Oakland after that. Mark meddling would really hurt any chance that we have of getting back to respectability.
 
I don't think Red would have traded for Schaub if he'd known Mark would get goo-goo eyes for Carr.

Why? Reggie is on record as saying none of the QB's in this draft should be day 1 starters.
 
Carr has everything you want from a QB except under pressure. Although i dont think he is as bad as some think on this board under pressure, you cant help but get excited at the prospect of Carr throwing bombs to Watkins for the next 10 years.
That's a pretty important thing though. Most pockets aren't anything close to clean.
 
That's a pretty important thing though. Most pockets aren't anything close to clean.

I have seen that kid over 4 years starting at fresno make more crucial plays under durress than not. i think this is a bit overblown because of what david went through in houston.

Everyone points to the USC game this year, what people dont understand is that was an NFL defensive line playhing against an arena league OL. They were no match up front. Carr started the game well when he had somewhere to throw from, but that DL took over the game, much like seattle did to peyton manning in the SB.

im not comparing him to manning, but i think some need to realize that when you're OL gets fucking dominated, its over with
 
without derek carr, that fresno state team doesnt win 3 games last year. That defense, after a great first season under deruyter, was horrendous. Carr and adams were the bulldogs last year. If for some reason the raiders do take Carr first, fuck it take adams in 2nd. make Crow somewhat pleased lol.

For real though, i think adams is the best redzone WR in the draft
 
Manning struggled because he bases everything on precision and timing, something SEA's DBs disrupted by handling the WRs. I don't see the situations as analogous.

My feelings on Carr have nothing to do with his brother. It's from film watching and reports.
 
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