2020 Regular Season Roster and Depth Chart

Armyr8rfan said:
To be completely honest, spending that much money on another weapon on an already very good offense will mean absolutely fuck all in the W/L column IMO. Gotta fix that 713th ranked defensive abomination first.
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For the sake of argument...


How about another stat, Mur-RAY? ;)

The Raiders have scored TDs on 54.39% of their redzone trips this season (up from last year's mark of 52.83%). That's good for 25th in the league.

Over the last three games, they've scored TDs on a hapless 38.46% of RZ trips.

There are fifteen teams with a RZ TD % of 60 or above, seven of whom are over 70%.

Green Bay leads the league at 78.57% (90.91% over the last three games.:yikes:).

Two offenses fall below 40%: The Gs & Js of NY/NJ.

We move the ball well enough, but we don't seem to be getting better at finishing. That's a problem, I think. One of many, yes. But, still a problem.

Playcalling inside the 20 is a problem, clearly. But who's going to tell the playcaller?

Performing better on a compressed field down near the goalline, showing more confidence & anticipation to throw the ball into tight windows...or just not throw the damn fades out of bounds... things a QB can do that would make a huge difference. But are they abilities that a seventh year QB develops in his eighth year?

If we assume the Carr/Gruden duo remains together for at least a couple more years, and we accept that they are who they are, each with limitations that hinder the offense to some degree, how do we get better on that side of the ball in spite of them? Add players with the talent to rise above the limitations of the coach and QB. If Allen Robinson can dominate in Chicago, he likely has that transcendent level of talent.


...and, of course, improving the defense would give the offense more opportunities. But that's not the argument I'm presenting here. ;)
 
Crow said:
For the sake of argument...


How about another stat, Mur-RAY? ;)

The Raiders have scored TDs on 54.39% of their redzone trips this season (up from last year's mark of 52.83%). That's good for 25th in the league.

Over the last three games, they've scored TDs on a hapless 38.46% of RZ trips.

There are fifteen teams with a RZ TD % of 60 or above, seven of whom are over 70%.

Green Bay leads the league at 78.57% (90.91% over the last three games.:yikes:).

Two offenses fall below 40%: The Gs & Js of NY/NJ.

We move the ball well enough, but we don't seem to be getting better at finishing. That's a problem, I think. One of many, yes. But, still a problem.

Playcalling inside the 20 is a problem, clearly. But who's going to tell the playcaller?

Performing better on a compressed field down near the goalline, showing more confidence & anticipation to throw the ball into tight windows...or just not throw the damn fades out of bounds... things a QB can do that would make a huge difference. But are they abilities that a seventh year QB develops in his eighth year?

If we assume the Carr/Gruden duo remains together for at least a couple more years, and we accept that they are who they are, each with limitations that hinder the offense to some degree, how do we get better on that side of the ball in spite of them? Add players with the talent to rise above the limitations of the coach and QB. If Allen Robinson can dominate in Chicago, he likely has that transcendent level of talent.


...and, of course, improving the defense would give the offense more opportunities. But that's not the argument I'm presenting here. ;)
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Good post. But we probably set the franchise record for points given up in a season tomorrow.
 
Crow said:
For the sake of argument...


How about another stat, Mur-RAY? ;)

The Raiders have scored TDs on 54.39% of their redzone trips this season (up from last year's mark of 52.83%). That's good for 25th in the league.

Over the last three games, they've scored TDs on a hapless 38.46% of RZ trips.

There are fifteen teams with a RZ TD % of 60 or above, seven of whom are over 70%.

Green Bay leads the league at 78.57% (90.91% over the last three games.:yikes:).

Two offenses fall below 40%: The Gs & Js of NY/NJ.

We move the ball well enough, but we don't seem to be getting better at finishing. That's a problem, I think. One of many, yes. But, still a problem.

Playcalling inside the 20 is a problem, clearly. But who's going to tell the playcaller?

Performing better on a compressed field down near the goalline, showing more confidence & anticipation to throw the ball into tight windows...or just not throw the damn fades out of bounds... things a QB can do that would make a huge difference. But are they abilities that a seventh year QB develops in his eighth year?

If we assume the Carr/Gruden duo remains together for at least a couple more years, and we accept that they are who they are, each with limitations that hinder the offense to some degree, how do we get better on that side of the ball in spite of them? Add players with the talent to rise above the limitations of the coach and QB. If Allen Robinson can dominate in Chicago, he likely has that transcendent level of talent.


...and, of course, improving the defense would give the offense more opportunities. But that's not the argument I'm presenting here. ;)
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Red Zone O was hugely disappointing again this year. Some of this is on the personnel, but Gruden also deserves significant blame. The OL and Jacobs started the year with decent red zone success but second half of the year was a different story... not sure why the OL wasn’t getting push later in the season or whether opposing D loaded up and sold out on the LOS knowing what was coming, but I suspect it was a combination of both OL performance and play calling. And in the passing game, the only play that had reasonable success was the quick post at the back of the EZ to Waller which teams took away later in the year. Unfortunately neither Ruggs nor Agholor are well suited RZ targets with their skill sets which hampers the O. But Gruden should have been able to use his TEs like Moreau or Witten better on the play-action, fake-block, shallow crosses which is an almost impossible play to cover in the RZ when the D is focusing on the run. And no excuse for the team not to develop B Edwards for RZ opportunities as he has the prototype skill set to be successful there (fade and back EZ). Hell, even Renfrow should be a decent RZ target if used correctly on either a quick slant or whip route to the front pylon. And all of these are before any discussion of utilizing Mariota for short yardage RPO / sprint outs.

I understand Gruden’s desire to want to dominate with smash mouth football, but sometimes you have to play smarter as opposed to continually bashing your head into a wall when the opposition knows what’s coming.
 
Armyr8rfan said:
Good post. But we probably set the franchise record for points given up in a season tomorrow.
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Crow said:
For the sake of argument...


How about another stat, Mur-RAY? ;)

The Raiders have scored TDs on 54.39% of their redzone trips this season (up from last year's mark of 52.83%). That's good for 25th in the league.

Over the last three games, they've scored TDs on a hapless 38.46% of RZ trips.

There are fifteen teams with a RZ TD % of 60 or above, seven of whom are over 70%.

Green Bay leads the league at 78.57% (90.91% over the last three games.:yikes:).

Two offenses fall below 40%: The Gs & Js of NY/NJ.

We move the ball well enough, but we don't seem to be getting better at finishing. That's a problem, I think. One of many, yes. But, still a problem.

Playcalling inside the 20 is a problem, clearly. But who's going to tell the playcaller?

Performing better on a compressed field down near the goalline, showing more confidence & anticipation to throw the ball into tight windows...or just not throw the damn fades out of bounds... things a QB can do that would make a huge difference. But are they abilities that a seventh year QB develops in his eighth year?

If we assume the Carr/Gruden duo remains together for at least a couple more years, and we accept that they are who they are, each with limitations that hinder the offense to some degree, how do we get better on that side of the ball in spite of them? Add players with the talent to rise above the limitations of the coach and QB. If Allen Robinson can dominate in Chicago, he likely has that transcendent level of talent.


...and, of course, improving the defense would give the offense more opportunities. But that's not the argument I'm presenting here. ;)
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Gruden had been overly dependent on running the ball successfully in the redzone. Early in the season, the team was running the ball well in the redzone, which opened up passing lanes and help create deception. The last 4+ weeks we have run the ball like shit and have been completely predicable and un-creative. Worst stretch I can remember. Pathetic.
 
RaiderJF said:
I understand Gruden’s desire to want to dominate with smash mouth football, but sometimes you have to play smarter as opposed to continually bashing your head into a wall when the opposition knows what’s coming.
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Kinda like going conservative offensively late in a game, shifting all the responsibility of protecting a really small 4th quarter lead onto a historically inept defense, watching that decision blow up in his face, then acting disappointed at the post-game because the shit didn't work.

It didn't work the last time you tried it either, Jon. Or the time before that.

I swear. It's as if he keeps calling these plays and repeatedly makes the same idiotic decisions because he doesn't know any other way. He's following a step by step recipe to the letter, quality of the ingredients be damned, almost robotically incapable of diverging from that programming.

I bet he pours spoiled milk on his cereal, then complains to his wife about how that's the third time this week the milk has failed to execute the breakfast gameplan. Heaven forbid he adjust his gameplan to compensate for what he knows ain't gonna work out.

But, so long as he can shift blame away from his offense, if only in his own mind, the failure isn't on him.
 
Crow said:
Kinda like going conservative offensively late in a game, shifting all the responsibility of protecting a really small 4th quarter lead onto a historically inept defense, watching that decision blow up in his face, then acting disappointed at the post-game because the shit didn't work.

It didn't work the last time you tried it either, Jon. Or the time before that.

I swear. It's as if he keeps calling these plays and repeatedly makes the same idiotic decisions because he doesn't know any other way. He's following a step by step recipe to the letter, quality of the ingredients be damned, almost robotically incapable of diverging from that programming.

I bet he pours spoiled milk on his cereal, then complains to his wife about how that's the third time this week the milk has failed to execute the breakfast gameplan. Heaven forbid he adjust his gameplan to compensate for what he knows ain't gonna work out.

But, so long as he can shift blame away from his offense, if only in his own mind, the failure isn't on him.
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Jon fucked us, himself, and the team these last few weeks. Yes, no coach or QB in history has won 9 games with a D as pathetic as ours, but we should have been the 1st. We win the last two games with competent coaching, period, end of story.
 
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Armyr8rfan said:
Not really my point. Even though you could be correct. I just think it would be wasteful spending if you cannot stop anyone.

It won’t matter how much we score. They will score again.

Now, if we were to sign that guy I’d be ecstatic, I’m an optimistic fan by nature.
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a coaching change + draft could do wonders though. A true Alpha WR and #2 back is all our O needs to go to next level iMO. Just get good players...
 
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DonkeyKilla said:
a coaching change + draft could do wonders though. A true Alpha WR and #2 back is all our O needs to go to next level iMO. Just get good players...
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I don’t see Jon or Mayock raising the white flag yet. But what a kick to the nuts the last 5 weeks.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
a coaching change + draft could do wonders though. A true Alpha WR and #2 back is all our O needs to go to next level iMO. Just get good players...
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Not sure how much more alpha Waller needs to be to show he’s a/our #1 target.

Of course if we got a guy like Robinson, I’d be all for it. But I don’t think he leaves Chicago.

Coaching change? You talkin’ Gruden or you mean whoever the DC winds up being?
 
On O- I'd let Agholor walk. Not worth it, especially if we get a comp pick. We need one more o-lineman- a young stud. I'm assuming Simpson can man a guard spot, and that useless sack of shit Brown is back, but we need depth. And there are good linemen in this draft. I'd cut: Witten. And if I'd use Moreau way more and develop: Ruggs/Edwards. The O needs tweaks but not wholesale changes.

D- We need a penetrating DT, and a rover safety. I see no reason to bring back Joyner or Collins. Beyond that, hire a real coach on that side. Nearly every player that leaves this team on D plays better elsewhere. It's coaching and scheme.
 
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Crow said:
Kinda like going conservative offensively late in a game, shifting all the responsibility of protecting a really small 4th quarter lead onto a historically inept defense, watching that decision blow up in his face, then acting disappointed at the post-game because the shit didn't work.

It didn't work the last time you tried it either, Jon. Or the time before that.

I swear. It's as if he keeps calling these plays and repeatedly makes the same idiotic decisions because he doesn't know any other way. He's following a step by step recipe to the letter, quality of the ingredients be damned, almost robotically incapable of diverging from that programming.

I bet he pours spoiled milk on his cereal, then complains to his wife about how that's the third time this week the milk has failed to execute the breakfast gameplan. Heaven forbid he adjust his gameplan to compensate for what he knows ain't gonna work out.

But, so long as he can shift blame away from his offense, if only in his own mind, the failure isn't on him.
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Yup. All PG's fault
 
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