Post Season Draft Thread

[RaiderRobert]

Bowl Games to watch...

Here is the schedule:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6672862

I haven't watched any games this year. And I know we have just a couple picks in the next draft, maybe something will change, I dunno...

Who should we be watching? Who has Raider written all over them? Who should we be watching in these Bowl Games to see who they are so we can put them in our Lil Al next year?

Are we gonna have a Lil Al? Or should we change the name to Baby Huey?

[RaiderRobert]

I'm watching a replay of the Florida ST. - Notre Dame game. I don't know who this Florida State QB is, but he is making a bunch of good throws, and good ability to run when the play breaks down. I've only watched about 10 minutes so far, so maybe I'm just getting his best. Anybody know anything about this kid EJ Manuel?

[BigTron]

Michigan / VT should be a an exciting match-up. Denard "shoelace" Robinson is gonna go off.

[007]

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?paged=3

A bunch of the players who get drafted/invited in each bowl game.

http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/

Recaps of all the prospects and their bowl game performances.

Tony Pauline's twitter. He's plugged into the draft scene really well. All underclassmen who are leaving he knows about.

http://twitter.com/tonypauline

Wes Bunting:

http://twitter.com/wesbunting

[007]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-Weighin-Results.html

E-W game weigh ins..

[007]

A couple interesting ones:

Brandon Hardin, CB Oregon: 6-3 220.
-He's a really good special teamer, but I dont think he's a CB.

Junior Hemingway, WR Michigan 6-1 230
-Pretty explosive player, gives me a Marcel Reece vibe too.

Akiem Hicks DT from Regina Canada: 6-5 325.
-He has enough skill to get drafted late and now his size isnt BS either.

Kyle Wilber OLB, Purdue: 6-4 250
-Moving to a 3-4 you say? He's a legit OLB prospect.

[007]

Some good links:


http://www.russlande.com/all-star-games/

http://www.optimumscouting.com/

[007]

Potential NT Nick Jean-Batiste checked in a 6-1 335 and is getting great reviews thus far at practice.

Matt Conrath from Virginia was 6-7 280. He's out of position this week but he's a good 3-4 DE prospect.

[007]

http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/

On a personal note, this RB intrigues the hell out of me: Davin Meggett.

NFL bloodlines, SOLID frame a 5-8 220, and he's done a lot of different things in college catching and running.

[Madturk]

Good stuff 007

[007]

and the best of the bunch seemed to be Coastal Carolina's Josh Norman


Cool that Bird was on this guy before I ever heard of him. He's also impressing according to two of the links.

[007]

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=5986

That should be the last link.

Tony Pauline's blog on all the players etc.

[BigTron]

http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/

On a personal note, this RB intrigues the hell out of me: Davin Meggett.

NFL bloodlines, SOLID frame a 5-8 220, and he's done a lot of different things in college catching and running.

good call on Meggett.

also (mentioned in that article) Jr. Hemingway might find a way to stick in the NFL. He showed some heart at critical times for Michigan. He knows how to come down with the ball and isnt scared to fight for it when its in the air. Might be my Michigan homerism in play, but he seemed like a guy who plays well in the clutch and is a good football player. Not shocked people are down on him, he isnt a height/weight/speed guy.

[007]

Colorado OG Ryan Miller checked in at 6-7 325. Solid size.

OG Brandon Brooks was 6-5 353 and rock solid actually.

Its so confusing this year because we dont know how the draft will be approached. (H-W-S or a different approach?)

We were seen talking to Nebraska SS Austin Cassidy after practice. 6-0 210.

[Raidervinny]

A couple interesting ones:

Brandon Hardin, CB Oregon: 6-3 220.
-He's a really good special teamer, but I dont think he's a CB.

Junior Hemingway, WR Michigan 6-1 230
-Pretty explosive player, gives me a Marcel Reece vibe too.

Akiem Hicks DT from Regina Canada: 6-5 325.
-He has enough skill to get drafted late and now his size isnt BS either.

Kyle Wilber OLB, Purdue: 6-4 250
-Moving to a 3-4 you say? He's a legit OLB prospect.

Notes from Wes Bunting on East-West Shrine practice (Day 2)

University of Regina DT Akiem Hicks looks the part of a standout defensive lineman at nearly 6-5, 325 pounds. He was very impressive during one-on-one drills today, showcasing impressive initial burst off the snap for his size, power on his bull rush and the length to routinely gain leverage. He also exhibits “plus” short area quickness for a guy his size. He does get upright at times and will stall out when an opposing lineman is able to get under his frame. However, he has the skill set to not only make an NFL roster, but also mature into a solid contributor with some experience in either a 34 or 43 front.

[Crow]

Colorado OG Ryan Miller checked in at 6-7 325. Solid size.

OG Brandon Brooks was 6-5 353 and rock solid actually.

Its so confusing this year because we dont know how the draft will be approached. (H-W-S or a different approach?)

We were seen talking to Nebraska SS Austin Cassidy after practice. 6-0 210.

Reg said a couple times that he's a H/W/S guy, but with more of an emphasis on the ability to play football. Less about potential and more about production. That last part being what Al was missing for so long. Should be interesting to see how this draft plays out.

[Madturk]

Notes from Wes Bunting on East-West Shrine practice (Day 2)

University of Regina DT Akiem Hicks looks the part of a standout defensive lineman at nearly 6-5, 325 pounds. He was very impressive during one-on-one drills today, showcasing impressive initial burst off the snap for his size, power on his bull rush and the length to routinely gain leverage. He also exhibits “plus” short area quickness for a guy his size. He does get upright at times and will stall out when an opposing lineman is able to get under his frame. However, he has the skill set to not only make an NFL roster, but also mature into a solid contributor with some experience in either a 34 or 43 front.

Who was that guy that I think SD signed as an UDFA from Canada a year or two ago? Big dude

[Crow]

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/01/17/dre-kirkpatrick-arrested-for-pot-possession-a-week-after-declaring-for-nfl-draft

Dre Kirkpatrick busted for possession of weed.

Nice timing, dumbass.

[007]

Who was that guy that I think SD signed as an UDFA from Canada a year or two ago? Big dude

Vaughn Martin, he's a starter for SD now and he was a 4th rounder I believe...

[hawaiianboy]

FreeAgentNews NFL Breaking News
Record 65 players declare early for NFL draft es.pn/yB88Cx via ESPN.com NFL News Headlines. #NFLNews

They're running over each other trying to get in knowing the chances of being drafted by the Raiders are slimmer this year...

[CrossBones]

They're running over each other trying to get in knowing the chances of being drafted by the Raiders are slimmer this year...Ha...may be the truth.

[RZ]

They're running over each other trying to get in knowing the chances of being drafted by the Raiders are slimmer this year...

cept that most of them are probably 4-7 rounders at best and those are the rounds where the Raiders will actually have picks lol

[RaiderRobert]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82629884/article/top-shrine-prospects-eye-spots-in-drafts-second-third-rounds?module=HP11_content_stream

EW Shrine standouts...

[Madturk]

I like that Crawford kid from Boise State and that huge TE from NC State. That MIKE from Merrimack was pretty impressive.

[RaiderRobert]

The West's 3 interior O-Linemen were phenomenal. Moe Petrus and Brandon Brooks at the Guards and Ben Heenan at the pivot. At the end of the game they just blew the Defense wide open and let the RB run through holes Bones coulda rolled through in his chair...

[Madturk]

I think Ryan Miller OG from Colo is a player that intrigues me. Can play inside or outside and is one of those late rounders that we can target.

[Crow]

Do want.

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34467087

Tide NT Chapman played 7 games with torn ACL

It was already safe to say that Alabama senior nose tackle Josh Chapman -- the anchor for one of the greatest rush defenses of college football's past decade -- was one of the nation's best players this past season. It turns out he may also have been one of the toughest.

Chapman revealed Wednesday that he had undergone knee surgery the previous day and would be missing both the Senior Bowl and most of the upcoming NFL Draft Combine. The surgery repaired both a torn ACL and a torn meniscus in his left knee.

But neither the details of nor the fallout from Chapman's injury are nearly as attention-grabbing as when that injury occurred: October 1, in the Crimson Tide's 38-10 victory over Florida.

"Normally I can deal with pain pretty well, but after three days I needed an MRI," Chapman told the Birmingham News. "Dr. (Lyle) Cain said he's never seen a guy that can have a torn ACL and still stay that stable."

How stable? Despite the injury, Chapman missed just one of the Tide's final eight games, an intended light workout vs. FCS Georgia Southern that turned much more serious when -- thanks in part to Chapman's absence -- the triple-option Eagles ran for a stunning 302 yards.

The late surgery won't allow Chapman to be at his best for the pro scouts, but given what was at stake for the Tide, he says he never considered a premature end to his senior season.

"I didn't really want to give up like that," he said. "I enjoyed playing. As long as it stayed right, I could play."

Chapman played all right, returning from the absence vs. GSU to help the Tide allow zero offensive points over their final eight quarters (Auburn scored touchdowns on defense and special teams) and win the national title. Despite finishing the season with just 23 tackles, 3.5 tackles-for-loss, and one sack, Chapman is still ranked the 77th prospect overall by NFLDraftScout.com, the 20th-best defensive tackle, and a possible second-round selection.

Not bad for a guy playing on one knee for two-thirds of the season.

[Madturk]

Dayum

[007]

NFLPA bowl notes:

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/1/17/2715142/nflpa-bowl-practices-american-team-day-1

Potential top 50 pick Brandon Washington (a Jr) was there, so it is a relevant game...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16931194/nflpa-allstar-practice-battles-in-trenches-highlight-physical-day

[007]

DT Asa Chapman, Liberty: A short, thick interior run plugger, Chapman showed good power to knock offensive linemen back during scrimmaging Wednesday but is a marginal athlete, at best, whose poor stamina and limited quickness made him virtually helpless on plays outside of the tackle box. Chapman's best asset is his refrigerator-like frame. He's tough to move and has a thick, powerful base


An intriguing prospect. 6-5 350

EDIT: Weighed in at 408 pounds...Wow.

[Crow]

6'5 is "short". Nice.


Also, 400+, eh? Yeah, there's a UDFA option for ya.

[RaiderRobert]

TE Chase Ford from Miami looked good. Interesting prospect. Doesn't have the ability of Jimmy Graham, but could with some development. Good size too...

TE Chase Ford, Miami (Fla.): With only 16 career catches at Miami the past two years, Ford was a bit of an unknown entering this week. But he quickly showed off his skills as a natural pass catcher with fluid body control and terrific hand/eye coordination. At 6-feet-6 and 258 pounds, Ford has the size and frame for the position with reliable hands, especially in traffic. He is a bit one-dimensional as a pass-catcher and needs a lot of work as a blocker, but certainly put his name on the draftable radar after his work this week.

Couple other guys:

G Brandon Brooks, Miami (Ohio): Despite heavy feet and limited overall range, Brooks has a massive 353-pound frame with dominant qualities. He carries his weight surprisingly well and showed the raw power to sustain and drive defenders out of the play. Brooks is a bit sluggish with his hands and needs to continue and develop his technique, but showed the natural strength to control blocks at the point of attack. He will be an attractive prospect for a team that values larger, mauling linemen.

DT Akiem Hicks, Regina: At 6-feet-4 and 324 pounds with an 84" wingspan, Hicks made an enormous impression on scouts this week. He is unpolished and needs a lot of technique work, but he flashed his raw potential with good quickness and overall range. Hicks is a bit stiff and plays upright, but scouts aren't interested in the prospect he is now, but rather the player he could be down the road after a year or two with NFL coaching -- will be a late-round developmental defender.

CB Josh Norman, Coastal Carolina: Perhaps the most impressive prospect of all this entire week, Norman turned heads every day in practice with his quick feet, closing burst and natural ballskills. He looks natural in reverse with good hip action and body flexibility. Norman intimidated physically with imposing size for the position at 6-0, 203 pounds with 32 ½-inch arms, showing safety size with cornerback skills. He was considered a late-round prospect entering the week, but now looks like a borderline third/fourth round pick.

DE/OLB Kyle Wilber, Wake Forest: With lean limbs and frame, Wilber doesn't necessarily look like a prototypical pass rusher off the edge, but he pursues the quarterback with a relentless attitude. He has tweener traits and needs to show better discipline against the run, but he has the flexibility and long arms to rip past blockers and change directions with coordinated footwork. Wilber won't be valued the same by every team and projects best as a hybrid DE/OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

[007]

Senior Bowl weigh-ins are up bitches:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

Osemele is a guy I want. Damn he's a big boy.

[007]

Mike Martin looks like a bodybuilder


Do want.

A dude with that motor and experience along with a non stop desire in the weight room?

Nice.

You dont need to be 6-5 350 to play the nose.

[RaiderRobert]

• Kelechi Osemele of Iowa St. got reps at both tackle and guard but worked primarily at right tackle. Osemele displayed a strong base and while he struggled at times against defensive ends such as Cam Johnson he absolutely dominated interior defensive lineman such as Mike Martin. The enormous Osemele was also very focused, even continuing to work by himself on the sidelines during drills.

• Washington DT Alameda Ta’amu gave the type of effort that he is known for and also showcased above average athleticism for a 341 pound man. While not considered to be a sack artist Ta’amu looked relatively fluid in pass rush drills today.

• Michigan DT Mike Martin isn’t flashy but more often than not he finds a way to get the job done. Martin went up against Mike Brewster four times and beat his rival in each instance. Martin isn’t dynamic but few have better upper body strength.

• Cincinnati DT Derek Wolfe displayed impressive quickness off the snap and appeared to shock some of the opposing blockers with his burst. In 1-on-1 drills Wolfe even beat Mike Adams off the edge at one point and was the only player to get the best of Kevin Zeitler. Wolfe is also stronger than he looks.

• Marshall DE Vinny Curry’s motor was revving at 110% and even though he was a bit slow off the line he compensated with outstanding effort. Curry also displayed the ability to dip his shoulder and utilize leverage off the edge as a pass rusher. 2010 production was 94 Tackles, 18 Tackles for loss and 12 sacks. This past season he had 77 Tackles, 22 Tackles for loss, and 11 sacks...:eek:

[007]

Kellen Moore is so ordinary.

How is he so good in college?

Weak arm, frail body (190 pounds?), short, unathletic.

He looks like a HS kid next to Cousins, LOL.

[007]

Alameda Ta'amu is beasting thus far.

Audie Cole is a guy who apparently had a great day.

[007]

Kendall Reyes looks like a good 3-4 DE prospect.

[Crow]

@ShanePHallam Shane P. Hallam
#seniorbowl #florida RB Chris Rainey playing WR in practice against former Florida CB Janoris Jenkins

[Crow]

ShanePHallam Shane P. Hallam
#Raiders chatted with WR Juron Criner, LB Jake Bequette, LB Sean Spence, RB Terrence Ganaway #seniorbowl

[Crow]

@WesBunting Wesley Bunting
#LSU TE DeAngelo Peterson is one of those guys who could have a better #NFL career than college career #SeniorBowl boom or bust guy

[007]

Criner and Omar Bolden are two of my late Pac 10 sleepers.

Both had two season ending injuries in the last 3 years, both are 1st round talents that will drop a ton.

[007]

Mike Martin and Mike Brewster: Do want.

Those guys truly hate eachother, LOL.

Funnest part of the week, both guys have won their share.

[hawaiianboy]

My man beasting:

WesBunting Wesley Bunting
Been impressed with #BoiseState LB Shea McClellin..guy is doing everything asked of him, sneaky athlete, versatile, can reach QB

[007]

My man beasting:

WesBunting Wesley Bunting
Been impressed with #BoiseState LB Shea McClellin..guy is doing everything asked of him, sneaky athlete, versatile, can reach QB

He's making up for Billy Winn's invisible ass.

[RaiderRobert]

Don't know where the "Man Crush" thread went, but I'm liking this kid from Marshal, Vinny Curry. He was spotted talking with Raiders personnel today. The guy is 6'5" 242 lbs. runs a 4.75 40. His last 2 years he compiled 171 tackles 40 tackles for loss and 23 sacks. He has had some great writeups this week in Mobile. Don't know if he will make it to the 3rd Round for us, or if DE is enough of a priority for us or not. Wonder how Shags is coming along? If we go to a 3-4, is this guy an OLB candidate?

[Crow]

Possibly, but I think the 3-4 jihadists can safely lay down their arms. The battle is lost.

[Crow]

Also not gonna be there at the end of Rd3, by all accounts.

[Crow]

Lotta decent tidbits.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Practices/Game.php

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Glad to see they were interested in Sean Spence. Need more LBs you can say whatever you want about Rolando and Curry if either of those two go down were fucked.

[Crow]

Even if they don't, we're a little screwed.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

We may actually have a chance with Bresnahan gone.

[Crow]

Definitely intrigued.

But...if Allen isn't going to run the defense, will we even be running his scheme? If he's just going to manage the games, will be see something completely different than what he was doing in Denver?

I'm so confused.

[fade2black24]

Definitely intrigued.

But...if Allen isn't going to run the defense, will we even be running his scheme? If he's just going to manage the games, will be see something completely different than what he was doing in Denver?

I'm so confused.

Allen's finger prints will be all over the defense. Defense being his specialty, I gurantee he will be heavy into the scheme. When it comes to game day, he will manage the game and the d coordinator will call the plays. Most head coaches approach football this way. They create a gameplan with the coordinators and oversee it on gameday.

That is how I interpret his comments.

[fade2black24]

Allen: Number one, I’m going to be heavily involved in all aspects of the game, in all aspects of the game-planning, offense, defense, special teams. I don’t believe the head football coach can do an effective job as the head football coach if he’s calling plays, offensively or defensively. So from that standpoint, on Sundays I will be a game manager on Sunday with a lot of input on what we do both offensively, defensively and special teams.

Allen's quote directly from the press conference.

[007]

Some guys at the 2012 All-Star Classic who we could nab late:

1: RB Derrick Coleman UCLA. Checked in at a ripped 5-11 235.

2: WR Wes Kemp Miss. 6-3 230 and strong. Decent stats, should test well

3: QB Aaron Corp, Richmond. He's the guy who lost to Matt Barkley at USC and transferred. Not a laser arm, but he's smart and athletic. Good size. Losing to a #1 pick and going somewhere to play is smart, IMO.

4: OG James Carmon Miss St. I think he was a high profile transfer too. Huge guy at 6-5 345. I dont know if he's athletic enough to start but he could be a depth guy like Rey Dominguez for Green Bay

[Crow]

Homer pick imo

Austin Davis -QB- Southern Miss (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1265479/austin-davis)

Strengths: A dual threat quarterback with athletic footwork and mobility. An instinctive runner with very good toughness ? uses stiff arms and runs with good body strength. Has quick, smooth delivery with very good touch and anticipation as a passer. Has natural leadership traits and plays with his heart, willing his team to victory. A smart and confident individual on and off the field. Plays like a veteran and executes ? sells fakes well, doesn?t force a lot and isn?t afraid to throw it away. Does a nice job maneuvering in the pocket and is always a threat to run (1,375 rush yards and 25 rush scores in his career). Has very good starting experience as a four-year starter (45 career starts) with above average production ? broke several of Brett Favre?s school passing records including career pass yards (10,892), touchdown passes (83), completion percentage (61.1%) and total offense (12,267).

Weaknesses: Davis is shorter than ideal and isn?t physically imposing in any way. He has limited arm strength with an unorthodox throwing motion ? doesn?t effectively use his body or footwork (almost like he?s throwing darts). Davis is an inconsistent downfield passer and puts too much air under his throws ? too many underthrows and streaky ball placement. He tends to predetermine a lot of his passes and stare down targets. Davis wasn?t asked to make a lot of defensive reads in Southern Miss? simple zone offense ? has inconsistent footwork in his limited experience in his drops from under center. He has suspect ball security as a runner.

Won't ever be a starter, but could develop into a TJ Yates.

[hawaiianboy]

JoshBDraft Josh Buchanan
There is a player with 19 failed drug tests in this year's draft class + one with major injury concerns who is rated 1st or 2nd rd in mocks.


19 failed drug test.... 19! :eek:

[007]

I'm guessing Dre Kirkpatrick. He's already popped once since the end of the college season, lol.

[TheMadStork]

19 failed drug test.... 19! :eek:

Damn, I didn't know that NIPS was an NFL prospect...

[RaiderRobert]

The "system" should be dismantled. How can the NCAA, school, coaches, etc. allow a player to remain on the team, or even to remain in the sport after just several repeated drug pops, let alone, 19 fucking times? :eek:

[S and B Executioner]

He's making up for Billy Winn's invisible ass.

Thats no shit! Winn was a beast at Boise but really didnt show much at the bowl.

McC will be one of those late puicks or FA's that grow up fast and become solid NFL players after a few years.

Safety George Iloka will be a STUD in the NFL!

[S and B Executioner]

Possibly, but I think the 3-4 jihadists can safely lay down their arms. The battle is lost.

I still think the 34 is coming! Keep Houston at DE, bring a beast NT, Sey shifts to DE, rotate TK in at either end. Scott, Wimbley, Shagnasty in the OLB rotation. A couple of other moves gives us a nice looking defense in a 34.

[007]

Good call on Iloka bro.

He might be the first "Big" safety since Sean Taylor with smooth enough hips to actually play FS at a high level

No, Kam Chancellor, Taylor Mays and Laron Landry do not count. 6-4 225, played some CB, moves well and has a ton of experience. He could go higher than many of us think if he drops a 4.4 at the combine...

[CrossBones]

I want to see Houston at DE in that 34...bet he's a beast.

[Sleet]

I want to see Houston at DE in that 34...bet he's a beast.

Bryant fits the 34 as well. Its Shags, Wimbley, Curry, Scott, Moss I worry about in addition to having no NT.

[hawaiianboy]

I want to see Houston at DE in that 34...bet he's a beast.

He does so well in short yardage and goal line defenses, I'd actually like to see how he does as a 1 gap NT working against centers rather than long armed OT's...

[CrossBones]

He does so well in short yardage and goal line defenses, I'd actually like to see how he does as a 1 gap NT working against centers rather than long armed OT's...Hey, Reggie Kinlaw did it. :wtf1:

[Crow]

Only 6 months or so until we find out just WTF is really going on. Sigh.

[Rupert]

Only 6 months or so until we find out just WTF is really going on. Sigh.

Tough it out man.

[Crow]

It's hard, man. Damn hard. NBA is a bore. Baseball ain't even an option. Damn sure ain't going to church on Sundays. Might as well pick up a drug habit for the offseason.

[RaiderRobert]

Bryant fits the 34 as well. Its Shags, Wimbley, Curry, Scott, Moss I worry about in addition to having no NT.

I want to see Houston at DE in that 34...bet he's a beast.

I keep saying that if we had a legit NT like Soiai, with Houston and Bryant at the DE's, we would have a very good, younger Interior Defensive Line. We could trade Kelly for some mid to mid-late round picks to get some depth and rotational players behind them. Maybe even through FA as well...

He does so well in short yardage and goal line defenses, I'd actually like to see how he does as a 1 gap NT working against centers rather than long armed OT's...

Yes, Houston could play the Ratliff role as well. Houston is a guy that seems to be very versatile, and has not used been correctly. We need to use this guy better, he didn't show last season, and I can't believe that was all on him. Houston should be a devastating force, if used correctly. He was one of my favorite picks...

[Crow]

If we're going to see a more well coached defense, and the 3-4 looks will be primarily 1 gap, I think we might just be set on the D-line.

Gotta work on the passrushing OLB part of the thing, though. Homer pick: Cordarro Law from Southern Miss could be a good late round guy to try and develop.

[RaiderRobert]

If we're going to see a more well coached defense, and the 3-4 looks will be primarily 1 gap, I think we might just be set on the D-line.

Gotta work on the passrushing OLB part of the thing, though. Homer pick: Cordarro Law from Southern Miss could be a good late round guy to try and develop.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/02/13/raiders-hire-replacement-for-waufle/#more-18677

One of Williams’ prized pupils was defensive end Cliff Avril, who played for the Detroit Lions last season and is a prospective free agent.

11 sacks last year...

[Crow]

Dude's not getting out of Detroit, imo. They're insane if they let him walk.

I also doubt he'll be on our radar, contract demands likely being quite high.

[Postmaster]

Evan Silva @evansilva
Per @TonyPauline, Vontaze Burfict was "soft & out of shape" as recently as January, and still can't do 15 reps of 225:

Not sure he is worth a 6th rounder at this point.

[Madturk]

Evan Silva @evansilva
Per @TonyPauline, Vontaze Burfict was "soft & out of shape" as recently as January, and still can't do 15 reps of 225:

Not sure he is worth a 6th rounder at this point.

Wow.

[Crow]

Lots of mixed reviews about him as a prospect. I'm thinking this is the sort of thing that will lead to more of a consensus opinion.

[Madturk]

After watching "a bunch of tape" on Arizona State ILB Vontaze Burfict recently, NFL Network's Mike Mayock believes Burfict is not worth a first-round pick in April's draft.


"I'm not a fan at all," said Mayock. "I just watched a bunch of his tape the other day. I came away unimpressed." Mayock said he tried to filter out Burfict's off- and on-field behavioral issues and graded him strictly off game tape. "His instincts aren't good," Mayock observed. "He gets enveloped by bigger bodies and he runs around blocks. I don't see first round at all."

[hawaiianboy]

Sure I say that Burfict is a 3rd round guy back in December and nothing... this lisping mofo says it in February and...

[Postmaster]

Sure I say that Burfict is a 3rd round guy back in December and nothing... this lisping mofo says it in February and...

Try 6th round......

[Rupert]

Try 6th round......

If he drops to the 6th round, every team in the league will have suddenly done an about face and stopped listening to hype.

I just don't see teams suddenly becoming logical, but stranger things have happened.

[Birdwell]

This Burfict kid is perfect ST fodder in the fifth round. Uncoachable speed and size, and not enough sense to avoid running through a brick wall. Make him the gunner, just go downfield and get the guy or blow up the blockers. Doesn't take discipline, just the abaility to get downfield and the willingness to be connon fodder. Seems this kid has that.

Along the way, you find if your coaches can connect with him, learn whether he has buttons to push and how to push them. There are probably a half dozen guys like him coming out this year, and one of them is gonna blossom in year two or three into a guy his own team and divisional opponents would give pro bowl consideration to. Any suggestions for the other five or so beyond Burfict?

[Madturk]

IDK, Burfict has the penchant for taking a lot of stupid penalties and playing undisciplined at times. Not sure the kind of player that we're looking for here. Now there's reports of him being soft and out of shape pre-combine.

[Crow]

Perfect fit.

[hawaiianboy]

Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt reports Baylor QB Robert Griffin III measured 6'2 3/8" at the Combine.
He also weighed in at a sturdy 223 pounds.



Gotta admit, I'm shocked... He looks closer to 6' 200 than he does 6'3 220... Good for him...

[007]

Nice job RGIII

[Crow]

Robert Griffin III - QB - Player

NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt reports Baylor QB Robert Griffin III measured 6'2 3/8" at the Combine.
He also weighed in at a sturdy 223 pounds.



Gotta admit, I'm shocked... He looks closer to 6' 200 than he does 6'3 220... Good for him...

No kidding. He certainly doesn't look that big. If he needed any help being a top 3 pick, that would have provided it.

[007]

Mr Luck: 6-3 7/8. 238.

Pro.To.Type.

[CrossBones]

Mr Luck: 6-3 7/8. 238.

Pro.To.Type.:o

Friggin' Colts with franchise QB's for 30 years straight. Wow. Not many teams (maybe none) can say that.

[Crow]

Have to go back to the Montana/Young 49ers to see anything like it.

Fuckers.

Maybe Luck will go all Ryan Leaf on their asses. That would be amusing.

[Madturk]

Have to go back to the Montana/Young 49ers to see anything like it.

Fuckers.

Maybe Luck will go all Ryan Leaf on their asses. That would be amusing.

Yeah but they had a lot of pieces in place. Indy is a far cry from where they were a couple years ago.

[Crow]

Yeah, it's looking more and more like they're going full rebuild. Garcon told them to fuck off, so he knows what's up.

[007]

RGIII ran a 4.37?

Luck was 4.59 unofficial?

Holy fuck.

I recorded it and am watching it now...Some blazing times all over the place.

[Crow]

Luck's numbers across the board mirrored, even bettered, Cam Newton's last year.

They said the dude was underrated as an athlete. They didn't say he was underrated to that frickin' degree. Yikes.

[007]

10-4 broad jump?

I couldnt jump ten feet if you spotted me the first six.

[007]

Ronnie Hillman could be a good pick later...

[BigTron]

RGIII is a sick prospect. I almost wanna put him over Luck, but it would just be to piss people off and then immediately ask them how many Stanford games they ACTUALLY watched haha

[Madturk]

Burfict from yellow flags to red ones?
Over the weekend in Indy, I spoke to a few NFL scouts and assistants about some draft hopefuls. I'm not sure any player here sparked a worse reaction than Vontaze Burfict. Seems the Arizona State linebacker has gone from being plagued by yellow flags to eliciting red ones now.


"I wouldn't touch him," said one scout. "He does have some talent, but he is so undisciplined on and off the field. The guy is completely out of control. There's no way you could trust him. I can't believe they (ASU coaching staff) didn't cut him loose."

Burfict, who measured in at 6-feet-3, 248 pounds (about 12 under his playing weight this season, he said), has received a lot of hype over his college career. Much of it stemmed from some of his thunderous hits, but it was his recklessness that also dogged him and the Sun Devils from his first season at ASU to his last. He was selected to some all-American teams as a sophomore in 2010, but didn't even earn All-Pac-12 honors in 2011 before he opted to enter the draft as a junior, when he made just 69 tackles on a team that many thought would win at least 10 games but instead finished just 6-7.

“I played average,” Burfict explained to reporters in Indy. “I could've played better. That's what hurt me at times. The coaches kind of messed me up. I didn't know if I would start a game or be benched. It hurt me, but I tried to fight through it.”

NFL personnel folks cringe when they hear a player publicly put some of the blame on his coaches.

"You just scratch your head at some of the knucklehead things he does on tape," said one NFL coach. "It was the same thing over and over and over again with him. He seemed to personify why that team always seemed to underachieve."

One of things Burfict was asked about by the media in Indy was his role in a rumored locker-room fight with an ASU wideout. Burfict confirmed the incident, adding that he wished it never happened.

“We're not supposed to hit each other in seven-on-seven,” Burfict said. “We had an argument, and we brought it into the locker room. We started chattering about it. He started rough-housing me. He pushed me, and my first instinct was to swing. And everyone thinks I’m the bad guy because my first instinct was to swing on the guy.”

The draft is always full of "boom-or-bust" guys. That's Burfict, although because he's had so many issues, he'll probably be less of a risk since few people project him as such a high draft pick any more.

[Postmaster]

UDFA

[Madturk]

Probably will gain a measure of redemption at his pro day. Im thinking 4th or 5th round.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Marvin Jones had a good combine and a good senior bowl. Was hoping he would stay under the radar could have been a late steal. The way Cal used him in their offense was borderline criminal.

[Madturk]

Our freaking luck that we didn't have two seemingly can't miss QB prospects when we had the #1 pick. :mad:

[godeep811]

Our freaking luck that we didn't have two seemingly can't miss QB prospects when we had the #1 pick. :mad:

I was thinking the same thing. Not only was JaMarcus a bust, but the 2nd best QB in 2007 draft, Brady Quinn, was a bust. Remember when it was a decision between Quinn and Russell?

Since 2007, the drafts have had decent QBs at the top of the first round (Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford and now the mother load of Luck and RGIII).

Wow.

[Rupert]

I was thinking the same thing. Not only was JaMarcus a bust, but the 2nd best QB in 2007 draft, Brady Quinn, was a bust. Remember when it was a decision between Quinn and Russell?

Since 2007, the drafts have had decent QBs at the top of the first round (Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford and now the mother load of Luck and RGIII).

Wow.

I wanted Johnson.

[Byron2112]

Our freaking luck that we didn't have two seemingly can't miss QB prospects when we had the #1 pick. :mad:

Stop reminding me!

On the other hand, if we wouldn't have forced things, we were staring at the finest WR prospect in the history of the game... :cry:

[Raidervinny]

Our freaking luck that we didn't have two seemingly can't miss QB prospects when we had the #1 pick. :mad:

Amen. There's a lot of luck involved in sucking at the right time. Living in Sacto I'll always remember when the Kings had the first pick...and the best player that year was Pervis Ellison. Just their luck to be crappy when there wasn't a can't miss guy in the draft.

[Madturk]

Gimme

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html?xid=si_nfl

Thursday, March 1, 1:39 p.m.
Brandon Brooks
Brandon Brooks made a good impression at his pro day after not being invited to the combine.
Phil Sears-US PRESSWIRE

There's no rest for the weary, as less than 48 hours after completion of the NFL combine in Indianapolis, scouts, coaches and general managers begin criss-crossing the nation to attend college pro days. Over the next four weeks, NFL hopefuls will be measured, tested, interviewed and drilled as teams ready their draft boards for April's event.

Two pro days started off the schedule today: Missouri and Miami-Ohio.

The Miami pro day is important, as offensive lineman Brandon Brooks, considered the highest rated player not invited to the combine, took the field. More than two dozen teams were on hand to watch Brooks today, and he did not disappoint.

The big offensive lineman measured 6-foot-5 and weighed 346 pounds. He completed 36 reps on the bench press, a number exceeded by just one offensive lineman at the combine. The same can be said for Brooks' 4.98 40 time, which included a 10-yard split of 1.71 seconds. Only Donald Stephenson ran faster at the combine. His vertical jump of 32 inches and broad jump of 8-feet, 9-inches were also superb. The 4.52 short shuttle time beat all marks from the offensive linemen who ran in Indianapolis.

Brooks in presently participating in offensive line drills for the position coaches and scouts on hand.

The big story for prospects not invited to the combine surrounds the alleged super-regional combine, which takes place at Ford Field in Detroit the final two days of March. Reports had as many as 100 of the top players not in Indianapolis last week receiving invitations to this smaller scouting event. Early excitement about the event, however, soon dissipated once the details were closely inspected.

Unlike the Indianapolis combine, the top players invited to Ford Field will have to pay their own travel expenses to and from Detroit, which does not sit well with many. Worse yet, players are reportedly participating in just a few of the combine tests (40-yard sprint, short shuttle, vertical jump and L-drill) and critical medical exams will not be performed at the regional combine.

[Birdwell]

If those are the conditions of the super regional combines, better stick to pro days. The NFL seriously screwed the pooch on that. Coulda made enough money of regional cable sports channels to make it worthwhile, too. What the hell else do the various local sports channels have during the day?

[edit]: Actually, I figured out why the super regionals do not try to make money off the local sports channels and have full versions of the combine: the local sports networks would smoke the coverage of NFL-controlled-TV, showing it for the garbage it is. Can't have that.

[RaiderJF]

Stop reminding me!

On the other hand, if we wouldn't have forced things, we were staring at the finest WR prospect in the history of the game... :cry:

Not to mention the potential HOF RB and LT that were also there for the taking...

[Crow]

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/35107573


CB Jackson, DT Meatoga impress at Hawaii Pro Day

More than a dozen former Warriors participated in Hawaii's Pro Day workout watched by personnel from 26 NFL teams in Carson, Calif. on Monday. The school moved its annual workout to California in recent years to make it easier for more scouts to attend.

Ironically enough, arguably the the top-rated prospect at the event wasn't even a member of the Hawaii football team.

Cal-Poly cornerback Asa Jackson was allowed to participate and rewarded scouts with his performance. Jackson, who fully participated in the Scouting Combine, shaved five hundredths of a second off of his 40-yard dash (4.44) from the time he posted in Indianapolis (4.49) and added three inches to his vertical jump (34.5"-37.5"). Jackson is currently rated as the No. 25 cornerback in the 2012 draft by NFLDraftScout.com. He is amongst a strong group of so-called second and third tier prospects that make up arguably the deepest position in the draft.

Of Hawaii's players, defensive tackle Vaughn Meatoga was not surprisingly the most impressive prospect. The 6-1, 299-pounder is the 22nd-rated defensive tackle in the 2012 class. He was invited to the Scouting Combine, and stood by those numbers, largely sitting out Monday's agility drills. He did participate in the vertical jump (31") and broad jump (9'2") Monday. He lifted the 225-pound bench press 27 times in Indianapolis, ran a 5.00-second 40-yard dash and was fifth among all defensive linemen with a 4.21-second short shuttle.

According to a source close to Meatoga, two NFL defensive line coaches (Kansas City, Cincinnati) came to the workout to specifically see Meatoga. Meatoga dined Sunday evening with the Kansas City coach.

Another fringe draftable prospect is outside linebacker Corey Paredes, who ran an impressive 4.55-second 40, according to the school's website.

Wide receiver Royce Pollard ran a 4.57 in the 40, while offensive lineman Brett Leonard lifted the 225-pound bench press 25 times.

Hawaii had three players drafted last year and has had at least one in 10 of the past 12 years.

[hawaiianboy]

None of those Hawaii guys are NFL material...

[Crow]

None of those Hawaii guys are NFL material...

You feeling okay? You don't sound like yourself.

[CrossBones]

You feeling okay? You don't sound like yourself.If any of them are Samoan, I'm all in. :bugeye:

[Raidermania12]

@freepwolverines: RT @dpbrugler: #Michigan TE Kevin Koger tweaked a hamstring and was unable to work out at today's Pro Day...potential sleeper TE #NFLDraft

[BigTron]

Cutting Boss for a cheaper draft option = Smart Move.

[007]

I like this for two reasons;

It shows we're looking at deep sleepers and it also shows we know that NT is a need, LOL.


This workout was held on Liberty’s campus on Tuesday March 6th. This workout was held in bad conditions and had players slipping so these players could possibly run faster.


Teams attended: Oakland had one scout and their defensive line coach, Baltimore had two scouts, Carolina had one scout, San Diego had one scout, and Seattle had one scout there. There were only five teams in attendance but 7 total NFL personnel.


NG Asa Chapman measured in at 6046, 388 pounds, and ran a 5.90 in the 40-yard dash. did 27 bench reps, 25-inch vertical, and 7’8 broad jump

[007]

Thomas Mayo:


There were like 22 scouts there. I talked to a lot of teams after it like the Giants, Jets, Rams, Falcons, Raiders, and Bears. I have been talking to the Bears for a while. And even the Miami Dolphins

[Madturk]

Cutting Boss for a cheaper draft option = Smart Move.

That or sign Dreesen who would be an immediate upgrade and knows the system.

[Crow]

NG Asa Chapman measured in at 6046, 388 pounds

Probably got gassed just getting on and off the scale.

[007]

This guy intrigues the hell out of me:





During the South Dakota State pro-day receiver Dale Moss certainly met, and even exceeded expectations. Moss measured 6 feet, 3.5 inches and 213 pounds, posted a vertical jump of 41.5 inches and broad jump of 10 feet, 10 inches. His forty time clocked at 4.45 seconds then Moss ran an amazingly fast three cone time of 6.32 seconds and 60 yard shuttle of 10.82 seconds. One scout at the workout mentioned in seven years of attending pro day and combine workouts Moss' three cone time was the fastest he's witnessed. Moss was then run through about a dozen pass routes and asked to catch the ball.


1 year of playing football. 4 years as a starting PG on the basketball team. ELITE athlete. Probably an old regime type of guy though...

[Crow]

Definitely an Al kind of guy, though his 40 is awfully slow. :facepalm2:

That 6.32, though...the fuck? That really makes me want to see 3 different scouts' watches just for the sake of putting my eyes back in my head.

[007]

Basketball guys have that good lateral agility.

He's got good size and nothing put upside.

UDFA baby!

[RaiderRobert]

Dunno if Mac will go for that. He is on record as not caring about measurables as much as their ability to play football. With just 1 year of Football under his belt, Mac might not even think twice about him...

[007]

Dunno if Mac will go for that. He is on record as not caring about measurables as much as their ability to play football. With just 1 year of Football under his belt, Mac might not even think twice about him...

I said he intrigues me dammit!

Reggie is probably going to draft slow, instinctive, football players.

And that shit aint fun.

[Crow]

Dunno if Mac will go for that. He is on record as not caring about measurables as much as their ability to play football. With just 1 year of Football under his belt, Mac might not even think twice about him...

Reggie is working with Al's scouting department, though. This kid might at least come up in conversation.

[007]

Reggie is working with Al's scouting department, though. This kid might at least come up in conversation.

I dunno about that.

I remember reading he had hired a couple guys on that end too. Scout hires might not get front page Raiders.com press either.

He might tell them to shut the fuck up if they lead with the standard 'he ran a 4.35 at his pro day' line though...

[Crow]

No doubt. I have read that he's already told the scouts that were in place "This is what I'm looking for.", so we're obviously not going to pitching a tent for the combine heroes. BUT...these guys have been scouting track guys for a long time. Old habits may die hard.

I'm not too worried about it. I'd like another WR, but I'm not going to jihad for one. Definitely can see the value of eyeballing the kids with the basketball backgrounds, though.

[DonkeyKilla]

Reggie is on record saying measurables are important to him-- but they need to be able to play football.

[Sleet]

Dunno if Mac will go for that. He is on record as not caring about measurables as much as their ability to play football. With just 1 year of Football under his belt, Mac might not even think twice about him...

Don't know about that. GB found their starting CB Shields out of no where. All raw talent/upside.

Sometimes you have to swing for the fences in the late rounds.

[Crow]

Top OLB/DE types, per NFP.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-scouts-a-look-at-the-top-OLBDE-prospects.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[hawaiianboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlONCH8jPA

[CrossBones]

From Allen comments I really wonder what he things of Ro McClain?

[007]

Hah, I looked that guy up yesterday checking for some sleepers.

I'm all helter skelter this offseason.

I found it much easier to eliminate the slow guys, cut out the small players and look strictly at the rest of the biggest, strongest, fastest prospects.

Burris measured in smaller than he's listed though so the old regime would probably knock him off the board for being 6-1 instead of 6-3.

[CrossBones]

I found it much easier to eliminate the slow guys, cut out the small players and look strictly at the rest of the biggest, strongest, fastest prospects.

lotz

You might not be worth much any more. :p

[Postmaster]

From Allen comments I really wonder what he things of Ro McClain?

Said he was drafted in the 1st for a reason.

Sounds like the slate is clean, up to Ro at this point.

[CrossBones]

Said he was drafted in the 1st for a reason.

Sounds like the slate is clean, up to Ro at this point.I'm pulling for him.


Expected a lot more but he's still got time with some decent coaching.

[007]

We were one of five teams at the Cal-Poly Pro Day. (CB Asa Jackson)

Also one of a handful at the Coastal Carolina Pro Day (CB Josh Norman).

Maybe looking for some more help there...

[CrossBones]

We were one of five teams at the Cal-Poly Pro Day. (CB Asa Jackson)

Also one of a handful at the Coastal Carolina Pro Day (CB Josh Norman).

Maybe looking for some more help there...Although I have high hopes for our two young CBs I hope we're looking for more help just as you describe.

[Crow]

We had high hopes for Ware and Walter McFadden, too. That didn't last long. Keep 'em coming.

[007]

I wouldnt mind one CB, but I think there are some bigger holes to fill (Thats what she said?).

DT,DE,LB,OL etc.

[Crow]

BPA > Hole filling

[007]

BPA > Hole filling

Green Bay fills holes quite a bit.

I think we'll do a bit of both.

[Postmaster]

Red said he goes with the BPA approach.

RED: But still, regardless, I’m going to use the draft the best available player, and if it’s at position that we’re strong, so be it. If we think that’s the best guy, it’s the difference between adding solid starters and difference-makers. If I have a chance to get a difference-maker, we’re going to get ‘em. Whether it’s the draft, it’s hard to sign difference-makers if you don’t have money. If we have the potential to get some solid starters in free agency, still, I’m going to do it.

[007]

Good stuff.

[Madturk]

Hah, I looked that guy up yesterday checking for some sleepers.

I'm all helter skelter this offseason.

I found it much easier to eliminate the slow guys, cut out the small players and look strictly at the rest of the biggest, strongest, fastest prospects.

Burris measured in smaller than he's listed though so the old regime would probably knock him off the board for being 6-1 instead of 6-3.

I like him. Can shed blocks and is relentless. Definitely looks like a Red type player.

[CrossBones]

Red said he goes with the BPA approach.I like the BPA approach.

Only caveat to that would be a team that needed to have a major upgrade in pone position to get them over the top. We don't fall into that category so yeah .. .BPA is the way to go.

Go RED!

[hawaiianboy]

BDPA = Best defensive player available = way to go

[Crow]

...unless there's a really good OL, RB, or TE there. ;)

[Birdwell]

We were one of five teams at the Cal-Poly Pro Day. (CB Asa Jackson)

Also one of a handful at the Coastal Carolina Pro Day (CB Josh Norman).

Maybe looking for some more help there...

Norman, at his size, might project well to FS, too. His draft stock is falling, so might be available at No, 129.

[Sleet]

According to ESPN's Williamson (expect more cock-blocking):

This is a good year to need a defensive tackle. That’s great news in the AFC West.

In one form or another, each team in the division could use a defensive tackle, or a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense. In fact, Kansas City (No. 11), Denver (No. 25) and Oakland (No. 95) all could use their first pick on a player at the position. San Diego could use a middle-round pick on a player at the position. The 2012 draft offers a versatile, deep class of defensive tackles.

[Raidervinny]

Todd McShay posted his top 100 propects today in NFLInsider. I'm posting the tier that we'll have a chance to pick from with our 3rd round comp pick.

Tier VII

Player Name Position School Height Weight Grade

71. Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati 5-10⅛ 197 79

72. Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State 6-5⅝ 320 79

73. Brandon Brooks G Miami (OH) 6-4⅝ 353 79

74. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6-2¾ 216 79

75. Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech 5-10 178 78

76. Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State 6-0¾ 207 78

77. Chase Minnifield CB Virginia 5-10⅜ 183 77

78. Antonio Allen S South Carolina 6-1½ 201 77

79. Joe Looney G Wake Forest 6-3¼ 309 77

80. Keshawn Martin WR Michigan State 5-11½ 188 77

81. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State 6-4¼ 275 76

82. Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska 5-10 204 76

83. Mike Martin DT Michigan 6-1⅜ 306 76

84. James Brown G Troy 6-3¾ 306 76

85. Joe Adams WR Arkansas 5-10⅝ 179 76

86. Billy Winn DT Boise State 6-3¾ 294 75

87. Tony Bergstrom G Utah 6-5⅜ 313 75

88. Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina 6-0¼ 197 74

89. Jarius Wright WR Arkansas 5-9⅝ 182 74

90. Kelechi Osemele G Iowa State 6-5½ 333 74

91. Donald Stephenson OT Oklahoma 6-5½ 312 74

92. Olivier Vernon DE Miami 6-2⅛ 261 74

93. Mike Daniels DT Iowa 6-0½ 291 73

94. Ryan Broyles WR Wake Forest 6-3¼ 209 73

95. Jared Crick DE Nebraska 6-4¼ 279 73

96. Chris Polk RB Washington 5-10½ 215 73

97. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida State 6-1⅞ 241 73

98. T.J. Graham WR N.C. State 5-11⅜ 188 72

99. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt 5-11⅜ 192 72

100. Trevor Guyton DE California 6-2⅝ 285 72

[BigTron]

Some players on there. Broyles and McNutt are gonna be steals.


I could see us taking Nigel Bradham, Mike Martin or B.Brooks.

[RaiderRobert]

Kelechi Osemele G Iowa State 6-5½ 333 74

[Crow]

Damn shame that Chapman is getting so much love. I guess it's to be expected, though. He wasn't exactly a low profile prospect.

[Deadbolt]

He's probably a little redundant for us, and we'd never take him in the range he's slated to go, but man, I really like Chris Polk's game.

[Crow]

@RichardDeitsch
The NFL, ESPN, the NFL Network are currently discussing ways not to tip draft picks as much this year.

[CrossBones]

@RichardDeitsch
The NFL, ESPN, the NFL Network are currently discussing ways not to tip draft picks as much this year.What difference wil lit make. It's Thurday night adn most people won't be watching.

Why the NFL fucked up a great Sat/Sun draft I'll never understand. That was a weekend I always looked forward to -- 9-5 like a job both days. Now...it's hard to get excited about going into the wee hours watching some asshole get drafted in the fourth round on Friday night. Of course our lack of picks this year isn't helping but last year it pretty much sucked too.

[007]

I think you need to check your stats.

The whole move to primetime backfired for the die-hards.

Viewership was up a TON.

It will never go back to Sat-Sun marathons, sadly.

[CrossBones]

I think you need to check your stats.

The whole move to primetime backfired for the die-hards.

Viewership was up a TON.

It will never go back to Sat-Sun marathons, sadly.You're probably right. They didn't move it without knowing they'd make more money doing it that way. Just sayin' it ruined the experience for me and I assume a lot of other people.

[007]

Agreed amigo.

I have to work all weekend, first draft I've missed in a decade at least.

Fuckin bullshit.

Waiting all these days, some people working late etc. Stupid.

[Crow]

Lemme fuck up somebody's Lil Al sleeper. Maybe my own.



Brett Roy

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620106/brett-roy
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37560

Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2007 RS - - -
2008 10 11 1.0 0.0
2009 13 22 1.0 0.0
2010 14 50 14.5 8.0
2011 13 66 18.5 10.0
Totals 50 149 35.0 18.0

03/22/2012 - Nevada Pro Day: Versatile defender Brett Roy also boasted a significantly improved time in the 40-yard dash. Roy, who signed with Nevada as a safety then moved to linebacker, then defensive end as he gained weight and eventually moved inside to defensive tackle, participated in linebacker drills, himself. Roy was clocked between 4.86-4.90 in the 40-yard dash Wednesday after his fastest time in Indianapolis was a 5.0 at 6-3, 275 pounds. Unlike Johnson and Marshall, each of whom fared well in positional drills, Roy's inexperience was obvious as he struggled with balance when changing directions while going through linebacker tests. Among the heavy-hitters attending Nevada's workout were a trio of College Scouting Directors -- Green Bay's John Dorsey, Oakland's Jon Kingdon and Philadelphia's Anthony Patch. Also present were Philadelphia's and Miami's linebackers' coaches Mike Caldwell (Eagles) and George Edwards (Dolphins). - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

Impression: Has played all over with his hand on the ground, but might be most effective as a 34 linebacker. Reminds me some of former Miami DL Allen Bailey. He's powerful, uses his hands well to shed and could play either inside or outside linebacker spots in a 34 scheme

Listed as a DT by NFLDS, and an OLB by NFP. Intriguing guy. Can't find anything on arm length, but he tested well for a DT, albeit a 275 pound DT.

Might not make sense with Houston and Bryant here, but might be a better DE option down the road than Houston. That he's getting some love as a prospective OLB is certainly intriguing. Maybe a bigger, buffer Tollefson. Maybe a quality nickel DT in the Derek Landri mold.

[007]

Jarrett Johnson style OLB, maybe?

Good find there.

[Crow]

Kinda what I was thinking, but maybe with some legit pass rush potential...if only as a nickel DT. Maybe even as a DE in an odd front. Again, though. We do seem to have a couple guys like that already.

Again though #2: If he's as versatile as the 'niks believe...dude could save us a roster sport backing up at DE, OLB, and getting a few snaps at DT here and there. I'm for it.

[fade2black24]

Kinda what I was thinking, but maybe with some legit pass rush potential...if only as a nickel DT. Maybe even as a DE in an odd front. Again, though. We do seem to have a couple guys like that already.

Again though #2: If he's as versatile as the 'niks believe...dude could save us a roster sport backing up at DE, OLB, and getting a few snaps at DT here and there. I'm for it.

A team can never have enough horses. Even if we have a guy that already fits the role, depth is very important. With Shaughnessy's injury history, we can never be too careful. I hope the days are gone where we have zero depth and have to pick up scrubs like William Joseph and Jarvis Moss to fill roles.

Makes me want to puke.

[Crow]

Quite true. Having a guy come off the bench who isn't a liability sure would be nice.

Jarrett Johnson style OLB, maybe?

Good find there.

I'm surprised HB missed this Bat Signal.

[Crow]

Can't find anything on arm length...

Preciate ya, DC.

http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/dt/brett-roy/

Height › 6027
Weight › 275
Arm › 32¾
Hand › 9⅜
40-Time › 5.07
Vertical › 30.5
Broad › 9'0"
Bench Press › 32
Shuttle › 4.62
Cone › 7.31

Read more: http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/2012/dt/brett-roy/#ixzz1sc3cszbW


32 3/4. Adequate. Not exceptional, but adequate.


Impact hitter; drives his entire body through guys on tackles and they'll need a second or two to regroup before they get up...could end up at fullback in the NFL


Orly? Hmm...

[hawaiianboy]

Lemme fuck up somebody's Lil Al sleeper. Maybe my own.



Brett Roy.




I'm surprised HB missed this Bat Signal.


Like usual, you dopes are still figuring out how to turn the key while I've already crossed the finish line...

http://www.blackreign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=293481&postcount=9

[CrossBones]

^^ :eek:

[Crow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP6v4T3VT7I

[hawaiianboy]

I don't understand the thinking of moving him to FB...

They dropped him a few times as part of a zone blitz the past few years vs Hawaii and I thought he handled himself very well... I think you drop him down to a more natural 250-260 and he is very similar to the Mike Vrabel/Ted Johnson type 3-4 LB the Pats like (not saying he's on the same level)... but the Derek Landri comparison as a rotational effort DT may fit as well, though I don't know if he can get any bigger than he already is...

[Crow]

Well, you saw what happened when they tried to make Landri a bigger part of the rotation. Sometimes, a 3rd down guy is just a 3rd down guy.

I think the FB thing is just a matter of people not knowing where the guy really fits, but loving his toughness and willingness to knock the shit out of people. I could envision him taking some snaps as a lead blocker while being a developmental defensive player at...some position or another.

[Crow]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/21/draft-prospect-alfonzo-dennard-arrested-for-assaulting-a-police-officer/

Draft prospect Alfonzo Dennard arrested for assaulting a police officer
Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2012, 11:11 AM EDT
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There aren’t many hard-and-fast rules when it comes to the period before a player gets drafted by the NFL.

“Don’t punch a cop in the face” is at or near the top of the list.

Unfortunately, former Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard didn’t get the memo, allegedly. According to the Omaha World-Herald, Dennard was arrested early Saturday on multiple charges, including suspicion of assaulting a Lincoln, Nebraska police officer.

Dennard allegedly was fighting with another man outside a bar. When the authorities tried to intervene, Dennard allegedly punched one of them in the face.

The second-round (before this incident) prospect faces charges of suspicion of third-degree assault on an officer, resisting arrest, and third-degree assault for the underlying fight.

Dennard, who is expected to remain in jail through the weekend, was ejected from the 2012 Capital One Bowl for fighting with South Carolina receiver Alshon Jeffrey.

In hindsight, it’s a good thing that none of the officials got close enough to get cold-cocked.

[Crow]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sSwtAEwBU6o/TcKqsDuyRwI/AAAAAAAAArY/T65vrRL4_iE/s1600/2011-draft-NY.jpg

[Crow]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_cp

Mike Mayock's top 100 NFL draft prospect rankings

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California
6. Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
7. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
8. Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
10. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

11. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
12. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
14. Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
15. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
16. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
17. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
18. Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina
19. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
20. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

21. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
22. Whitney Mercilus, OLB, Illinois
23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
27. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
28. Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame
29. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall

31. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
35. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

41. Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
49. Nick Perry, DE, Southern California
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
57. A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International

61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan

71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama

81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma

91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

[Crow]

The video from that link, he makes an interesting point about Jonathan Massaquoi. Something to consider at least.

[007]

He's such a BC homer, LOL.

[Crow]

Why's that? The Kuechly ranking? Seems pretty common for him to be regarded as a top prospect.

NFP has him #9 (Qualifier: They have Coby Fleener at #7. Headrush.)

Draft Scout has him #11.

Countdown at #7.

[BigTron]

David Wilson is gonna be a steal at RB for someone.

[Byron2112]

Apparently Gosselin has hung 'em up as far as the NFL draft is concerned... ain't that a bitch?

[Crow]

Multiple sources told FOXSports.com that Virginia Tech cornerback Jayron Hosley and Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict failed their drug tests. NFL teams were informed of the positive results earlier this week.

Hosley had an NCAA-high nine interceptions in 2010 but suffered a hamstring injury and concussion that marred his junior season. Hosley, who decided to turn pro anyway, was projected as a second- or third-round pick before the positive test.

Multiple sources told FOXSports.com that Hosley wrote a letter to NFL teams apologizing for the failed test.

A representative from Impact Sports Management, which represents Hosley, had no comment.

Burfict was considered a potential first-round pick entering the 2011 season. There is now a legitimate possibility he won’t be drafted this weekend.

[RaiderNorth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlONCH8jPA

That kid is a buzzsaw. Plays with one speed: full-bore.

[Crow]

Stand up DE in nickel, sideline to sideline pursuit, outstanding catch up speed.

Highlights are highlights, but his are pretty fucking nice.

[Byron2112]

...............

[Crow]

Could say the same about O-line depth. Either would suit me just fine.