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[007]

Who would you have drafted given the picks we had?

Not some BS 3 year down the road hindsight, put it down so we can all see it in a year, or two, or three.

We're all smarter than Al and better draftniks than anyone the Raiders can put out there anyways..

Here is mine:

Rd 2: Wisniewski. Looking back, I dont see many I liked more than him.

Rd 3: Jah Reid. I liked his size and athleticism.

Rd 3: Greg Salas. He would have been my slot WR.

Rd 4: Marcus Cannon. He was worth the risk, IMO. First round talent outside the top 100, just like Michael Bush.

Rd 4: Taiwan Jones. Loved the pick. Honestly wouldnt have done anthing different.

Rd 5: Chykie Brown. I would have picked up my second corner here.

Rd 6: Jerrell Powe. Worth a flier at this point. Developmental NT.

Rd 7: Byron Bell. I would have take a big developmental OL, although its not really important. Not many of these guys make squads.

[TheNextStep]

This is difficult for me to answer because I don't put nearly as much time into researching the draft as I used to so several of my selections (especially the later ones) are heavily, heavily influenced by your guys' opinions. At any rate....

Rd 2: I have no beef with the Wisniewski pick but, if I'm being honest about it, I probably would have taken Da'Quan Bowers after he slipped that far.

Rd 3: Jah Reid. I'd have come back to my pre-draft theory that we need offensive line help more than anything.

Rd 3: Kenrick Ellis. I'd have made this pick despite drafting defensive line because I honestly wouldn't have touched Marcus Cannon. Cancer is scary, dude. Anyway, he's another really disruptive guy that I wouldn't have expected to be here.

Rd 4: Chimdi Chekwa. I actually like this pick and, after having gone away from my initial game plan with DL in three of the first two picks, I'd have thought, "Holy shit! What am I going to do about Nnamdi leaving?"

Rd 4: I'm happy with the Taiwan Jones pick and I'm glad that the Raiders made that pick. I honestly think I may have reached for a second defenisve back here. With nobody particular that I know much about, if DVD had fallen here, I'd probably have taken him. That said, I'll eliminate him because there's no telling where he'd go if we hadn't taken him. With my limited research, I'd have apparently pissed everyone off by taking Davon House.

After that, the remaining rounds were essentially "who the fuck are these guys" picks for me, so I'm not even going to bother throwing names that I'd never heard of before Saturday out there.

[hawaiianboy]

RD2:Stefen Wisniewski (C) Penn State
Like it as is...

RD3: Joseph Barksdale (OT) LSU
Like the pick enough that I would use our original 3 on him...

RD3: KJ Wright (OLB) Miss St
Long, mean, great motor and can stack... Not elite in coverage, but not a liability either...

RD4: Kendall Hunter (RB) Okie St.
Taiwan Jones intrigues me and I'm glad we have him, but I love Kendall Hunter... Really thought he'd be off the board a round or so earlier...

RD4 Marcus Cannon (OT) TCU
Between he and Barksdale, we could have come out with a long term RT and OG since both can play either spot... Loper and a vet could have held steady if he has to redshirt a year...

RD5 Denarius Moore (WR) Tenn
What's on the board between 5 and 6 is pretty meh... Can't argue with the pick as we also got value here...

RD6 Frank Kearse (DT) Bama A&M
Big gift for Mike Wauffle...

RD7 Deunta Williams (S) North Carolina
Bad year for my man admittingly... Time missed via suspension and then medical issues killed him... Similar to taking a flier on Michael Bush... Worth the pick to see if he regains his '09 form...


I would probably would not have made the trade we did... I would have liked to trade back a little (w/Ravens maybe?), got an extra pick that way and then taken Barksdale after the trade back from 81...

[Madturk]

2 Stefan Wiz I'm ok with him at this pick. Really could have nailed this a few drafts ago by trading down and getting Alex Mack or Max Unger and still getting a decent wr. I think he will be a solid starter for us.

3 Jah Reid Huge reach for DVD here. Could have gotten him later. I'm not totally unhappy with Barksdale but Reid would have been the better choice IMO.

3 John Moffitt OL would be fairly set with these first 3 picks. Maybe would have taken a flyer on Cannon here.

4 Casey Matthews We still need an OLB. Love his intensity.

4 Taiwan Jones Tremendous potential with this guy and gives us a legit #3. Could have gotten your corner here.

5 Denarius Moore Very happy with this pick here. Legit 2nd round talent.

6 Greg McElroy Why not take a flyer on a qb here. Can always get a blocking TE

7 I'm ok with the pick here. Guy has some athletic ability. I probably would have pulled the trigger on Herzlich or another developmental OL here like Sims.

[BigTron]

1. DVD
2. DVD
3.DVD
4.T.Jones
5.DVD
6.DVD
7. Mark Herzlich

[hawaiianboy]

3 John Moffitt OL would be fairly set with these first 3 picks. Maybe would have taken a flyer on Cannon here.




Already off the board...


Dumbass...

[Madturk]

Already off the board...


Dumbass...

Then Marcus Cannon chisel chest

[CrossBones]

RD3: KJ Wright (OLB) Miss St
Hags got hammered by the niks for talking this guy. So WTF?

[Raidervinny]

Round 2 - I'm cool with Li'l Wiz...don't see too many others that I think are better or would fill a bigger need. We needed C and G and he can play either.

Round 3 - Mason Foster: Can play inside or out. Would be an instand upgrade over the G-men and could slide inside to MLB if Ro got hurt.

Round 3 - Clint Boling: Unlike JB this cat will actually play in the NFL

Round 4 - Davin House: I think he might turn out to be a better DB than Chekwa.

Round 4 - I'll stick with Jones. Wasn't too crazy about this pick at the time but that had more to do with the complete waste of roster spaces we drafted in the 3rd. He can make an impact.

Round 5 - Moore...the kid looks like he can step in as our number 2 WR from the get go. Ford, Moore and Chaz would be a helluva combo.

Round 6 - David Carter: Would have really liked to see us grab a DT...we're gonna need some insurance for Henderson as he is likely to miss a few games due to injury this season.

Round 7 - Ziemba would have been my choice but honestly can't say that the pick we made is bad. The guy's an athlete that can play in a number of places...round 7 is where to take guys like this.

[Byron2112]

Looking at how the draft shook out we did pretty well, and I'm not sure it could be significantly different while addressing our needs at the same time... and I wouldn't change much... I actually really dig the middle of our draft, but I'll play some of my pet picks.

RD2:Stefen Wisniewski (C) Penn State

Preferred Orlando Franklin here, but that wasn't possible, so Wis is just fine.

RD3: Jah Reid (OT) Central Florida

Preferred to Barksdale, and Ozzie Newsome's interest carries some weight.


RD3: Kenrick Ellis (DT) Hampton

Really wanted to come out with some D-line in such a deep draft for them... have as many guys learn from Sey as possible, and this guy is massive and athletic... also a believer in drafting to your strength.

RD4: Devon House (CB) New Mexico

I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on CB till here, and this guy is probably better than the guys we chose... do love the Tawain Jones pick, but IMO we could fill the 3rd RB spot any number of ways.

RD4 Marcus Cannon (OT) TCU

Would have been really smart to stockpile a guy like Cannon... we're short bodies at O-line as it is, and we missed out on a great talent for value here.


RD5 Denarius Moore (WR) Tenn

Can't really argue with this pick... coulda went with Chykie Brown (CB) Texas, if we feel we need to double up to try and replace Nnam(impossible where we're picking this draft, and we can do some work in free agency), but Moore is a nice pick here, and satisfies need/talent too.

RD6 Greg Romeus (DE) Pittsburgh

Pre-injury 1st round prospect, there's a lot to like about a healthy Romeus, and again, has a year to sit and learn how to be a nasty bastard from Big Sey. These late picks are lotto style, so might as well swing for the fence IMO.

Also feel like we could get a blocking TE prospect many different ways...

RD7 David Ausberry (WR/TE) USC

Hey look, we found a blocking TE... or we could possibly take Van Dyke here... :D

Seriously though, I'm fine with this pick... in my version of the draft here we've already satisfied all my wants for the line of scrimmage... maybe Jordan Cameron is a bit more athletic than this guy, but he isn't more accomplished, and the speedy H-back/hybrid/whatever thingy seems to be fashionable...

[Sleet]

007, cool exercise. It gives you a better insight on the way Al drafts. If Al has a hard-on for somebody, he doesn't give a shit about "value" and he'll "reach" just to make sure he gets his guy. For example, if Al didn't "reach" of 'lil Wiz in the 2nd, he's likely gone before Al drafts in the 3rd (KC took Hudson at 55; Seattle took Moffit at 75). Similarly, with so many teams needing CB (three teams drafted a CB right after DVD and before Barksdale), Al was not going to risk losing DVD to somebody else (although I don't think another team would have taken him in the 3rd, but who knows). Also, if Al wanted two CBs and T. Jones, he had to draft them where he did. Moore was too good a value to pass up in the 5th (Denver had already drafted J. Thomas). Gordon was the BA TE in the 6th, and Hue obviously wanted a TE.

That said, here's my do-over:

Rd 2: B. Ijalana. Can't get off his bandwagon now.

Rd 3: S. Wisniewski. If gone, then J. Reid.

Rd 3: BA CB: I projected Davon House, but what do I know. He didn't even make the Top 100 in the Dallas sports section.

Rd 4: M. Cannon (if I got 'lil Wiz in 3rd). If I drafted J. Reid in the 3rd, then Davon House (or DVD or Chimdi Chekwa).

Rd 4: Jones: No change

Rd 5: Moore: No change

Rd 6: Gordon: No change

Rd 7: Michael Jasper, DT: Dude is the size of a house (6-4 394)

[Crow]

2.48: Hard to really hate the Wiz pick, though I wonder if Ijalana wouldn't have made more sense. Plays positions of need, as opposed to Wiz coming in to upgrade a position where a serviceable (albeit not outstanding) player exists. Bowers and Austin would have intrigued me, but I think I would have ultimately shied away from both.

3.81: I would have tried my ass off to bail out of this pick. If I didn't use this pick to move the 48th overall into Andy Dalton range, and couldn't trade out, I'd roll the dice on Kendrick Ellis and immediately get him a tutor on how to pass a fucking piss test. Gives me great insurance against a Henderson injury and allows Bryant to slim back down and play DE full time.

3.92, 4.125: Would not have made this trade.

4.113: Interesting pick here. Davon House seems like a good value this late. Thinking Marcus Cannon, though. Had I made that ridiculous trade, scribble me down for both of these guys in Rd4.

5.148: Can't knock this pick. Jason Pinkston would have been interesting here, though.

6.181: Greg Jones would be a strong pick here. But, I gotta take a chance on Virgil Green. The injury thing spooks me, but...damn. In the 6th round? What's to lose?

7.219: Since I didn't do that dumbass trade, I'm'a take another injury flier on Greg Romeus.

7.241: Wow. Lee Ziemba, Andre Smith, Mark Herzlich...I think I'll hedge a little and grab Ziemba as insurance against Cannon's health. Really wouldn't mind any of these guys.

[BigTron]

Rd 2: Wis II - Love the pick.

Rd 3: Johnny Patrick- CB.

Rd 3: Luke Stocker - TE

Rd 4: Marcus Cannon -OL
Rd 4: Taiwan Jones - Lightning

Rd 5: Ahmad Black - S

Rd 6: Ross Homan - OLB
Rd 7: Lee Ziemba - T

[RaiderJF]

RD2:Marvin Austin (DT) North Carolina
Don't get me wrong, I like that we got Wiz Jr., but I wouldn't have been able to pass on the skill, strength, and value that Austin brings at pick 48. Without the suspension, this is a possible top 10 type guy... With Austin on the board, I would have taken the chance and hoped that Wiz would have been still available in the third...

RD3: Jah Reid (OT) Central Florida
We need a RT... and Reid has Al size and athleticism to be a 10 year guy at that position.

RD3: Clint Boling (OG) Georgia
This is where I would have hoped to get Steph Wiz so he would have been my first choice here if still available. Since will never know, I will take next best interior OL-man available...

RD4: Chimdi Chekwa (CB) Ohio St.
I like this pick. Can play man and has excellent size / speed to go along with major conference experience.

RD4 Taiwan Jones (RB) E Wash St.
Love the game breaking potential of this kid. Size, speed, agility package is phenomenal. If he didn't have the injury, he would have shot up the draft boards and been a potential 1st round rb. Would have loved to have additional picks right around here also to snag Marcus Cannon and Buster Skrine...

RD5 Denarius Moore (WR) Tenn
Can't complain with the pick as we also got value and kid looks like he has potential. With my inner channeling of Al, I probably also would have thought about taking a flier on Ricardo Lockette... or this would have been more in line with where I would have hoped to grab DVD...

RD6 Virgil Green (TE) Nevada
Nice upside / athleticism for developmental TE. Good value in RND 6

RD7 Lee Ziemba (OG) Auburn
Need depth at OL and Ziemba brings great size and level of competition. Also would have seriously thought about OT Trevis Turner as a RT prospect, but since he wasn't drafted, he would be the first guy I gave a call to snag as an UDFA...

[celticraider]

I need about three years to think about it.

[EZRaider]

Who would you have drafted given the picks we had?

Not some BS 3 year down the road hindsight, put it down so we can all see it in a year, or two, or three.


This might be fun, but you ARE using the BS hindsight of knowing where everyone else went in the draft. I'd bet EVERY SINGLE TEAM would draft differently if they had this hindsight, and that would defeat this whole exercise (because the draft would be completely different every time you redo it).

It's an endless conundrum.

[EZRaider]

I like this exercise better because it actually could've happened without considering who everyone else drafted after us. All the alternative picks were within 10 picks after ours.

Alternative Raiders 1st round drafts:

2000 17th pick was Janikowski - Best pick
2001 28th pick was Derrick Gibson - Reggie Wayne (30)
2002 17th pick Philip Buchanan - Ed Reed (24)
2003 31st pick Nnamdi Asomugha - Best pick
2004 2nd pick was Robert Gallery - Larry Fitzgerald (3)
2005 23rd pick was Fabian Washington – Aaron Rodgers (24)
2006 7th pick was Michael Huff - Haloti Ngata (12)
2007 1st pick was Jamarcus Russell – Calvin Johnson (2)
2008 4th pick was Darren McFadden – Best pick
2009 7th pick was DHB – BJ Raji (9)
2010 8th pick was Rolando McLain – Maurkice Pouncey (18)

So, tell me you wouldn’t like to have a team with:

QB Aaron Rodgers
RB Darren McFadden
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Reggie Wayne
C Maurkice Pouncey
DT Haloti Ngata
DT BJ Raji
S Ed Reed
DB Nnamdi
K Janikowski

[007]

This might be fun, but you ARE using the BS hindsight of knowing where everyone else went in the draft. I'd bet EVERY SINGLE TEAM would draft differently if they had this hindsight, and that would defeat this whole exercise (because the draft would be completely different every time you redo it).

It's an endless conundrum.

Its a fun excercise on a messageboard during the lockout bro.

The fact that we have no idea how ANY of the players will turn out for 2-3 years makes it intriguing. Nobody knew Ed Reed would be a HOF player, and doing a re-draft a month after his draft year, I doubt many people would have change the Buchanon pick. Looking at things ten years later skews it, but a month after the draft we're giving our own idea on who we would have taken given what was available.

Relax and participate. Or dont.

Nobody cares.

[EZRaider]

Its a fun excercise on a messageboard during the lockout bro.

The fact that we have no idea how ANY of the players will turn out for 2-3 years makes it intriguing. Nobody knew Ed Reed would be a HOF player, and doing a re-draft a month after his draft year, I doubt many people would have change the Buchanon pick. Looking at things ten years later skews it, but a month after the draft we're giving our own idea on who we would have taken given what was available.

Relax and participate. Or dont.

Nobody cares.

I understand all that. That's why I started out by saying "This might be fun" and continued to state an opinion, which I don't care if you care about or not. Won't stop me from stating an opinion on a messageboard full of differing opinions.

Looks like you need to heed your own advice and relax, bro. Or not....I don't really care.

(Boy, this lockout is fun. Gots everybody's panties all bunched up too tight.)

[007]

I understand all that. That's why I started out by saying "This might be fun" and continued to state an opinion, which I don't care if you care about or not. Won't stop me from stating an opinion on a messageboard full of differing opinions.

Looks like you need to heed your own advice and relax, bro. Or not....I don't really care.

(Boy, this lockout is fun. Gots everybody's panties all bunched up too tight.)

I don't care that you don't care that I don't care.

As stated before: Put your money where your mouth is. Quit being a pussy and lay it out there.

Its fun to trash talk an idea and talk about hindsight and how we could have had Rodgers and Ngata (I cant understand how you missed the entire premise of the excercise...We're talking one month after a draft, not five years), In the end all the guys who have posted in here up until you, have put a draft on the board.

[EZRaider]

I don't care.

I'll go with the draft we were dealt.

(Where's the fuckin smiley face?.....j/k Lighten up, Francis.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GQSwMCHJNU

[RZ]

I like this exercise better because it actually could've happened without considering who everyone else drafted after us. All the alternative picks were within 10 picks after ours.

Alternative Raiders 1st round drafts:

2000 17th pick was Janikowski - Best pick
2001 28th pick was Derrick Gibson - Reggie Wayne (30)
2002 17th pick Philip Buchanan - Ed Reed (24)
2003 31st pick Nnamdi Asomugha - Best pick
2004 2nd pick was Robert Gallery - Larry Fitzgerald (3)
2005 23rd pick was Fabian Washington – Aaron Rodgers (24)
2006 7th pick was Michael Huff - Haloti Ngata (12)
2007 1st pick was Jamarcus Russell – Calvin Johnson (2)
2008 4th pick was Darren McFadden – Best pick
2009 7th pick was DHB – BJ Raji (9)
2010 8th pick was Rolando McLain – Maurkice Pouncey (18)

So, tell me you wouldn’t like to have a team with:

QB Aaron Rodgers
RB Darren McFadden
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Reggie Wayne
C Maurkice Pouncey
DT Haloti Ngata
DT BJ Raji
S Ed Reed
DB Nnamdi
K Janikowski

yes, but those picks you replaced in years 2000-2005 would have obviously changed the end results in years 2006-2010 in which said players may have already been taken due to the Raiders not having the 7th,1st, 4th, 7th and 8th picks..

[EZRaider]

yes, but those picks you replaced in years 2000-2005 would have obviously changed the end results in years 2006-2010 in which said players may have already been taken due to the Raiders not having the 7th,1st, 4th, 7th and 8th picks..

That's right. Good point.

(Another case for not doing this sort of second guesswork. But it is fun, for someone, I'm sure.)

[DonkeyKilla]

the picks that really pissed me off then and still do are Ngata and Raji.
In hindsight not taking Rogers when we could have was pretty stupid too.

[RZ]

That's right. Good point.

(Another case for not doing this sort of second guesswork. But it is fun, for someone, I'm sure.)

ya, its fun and kills dead time during the offseason (and lock out). :cool:

[EZRaider]

ya, its fun and kills dead time during the offseason (and lock out). :cool:

Yet you don't participate. Interesting...:cool:

[RZ]

Yet you don't participate. Interesting...:cool:

I run my own NFL Forum and have this same topic. Sometimes I participate in similar topics on both forums, other times, I don't. simple as that.

[BigTron]

stop making me check this thread for nothing haha

[EZRaider]

I run my own NFL Forum and have this same topic. Sometimes I participate in similar topics on both forums, other times, I don't. simple as that.

Congratulations.

Maybe you could let us all in on your motive in this conversation, you know, in this forum.

Otherwise, our conversation appears to be at an end, thankfully to those who keep checking this thread for something of substance.

However, a little game of wits is always a fun way to spend the offseason, during a lockout.;)

[007]

Still being a douche I see.

Neat stuff.