I'm having a hard time figuring out this pick #48...

[Byron2112]

That being our top pick in the draft, I just know Al is gonna want a freakish athlete at that value, but non of our need positions really offer a freak athlete at that draft position.

None of the CB's that will be there... I don't even really believe Dowling makes it there(and he's not all that "Al" eye-popping)... none of the tackles or guards/centers...

I don't believe any freakish DT's like Wilkerson or Austin are going to fall that far.

Couplea LB's in Moch, Carter and Wilson fit the bill... DE like Allen Bailey is pretty sick, but none of these guys really takes care of business for us...

I dunno... the last guy I can remember that was drafted at the top for need, and wasn't a lights out athlete, was Stinchomb, and that guy was about as big a bust 1st rounder as the Raiders have ever had.... even Sea bass has a super freaky leg...

I suppose we could draft a TE like Jordan Cameron there, but if that happened I'd prolly put a pillow over my face and snuff myself out... I'd like to think Al isn't that crazy...

Just kinda hard to see where we'll go here.

[007]

Davon House, Curtis Marsh, Van Dyke, Curtis Brown, Ras I Dowling.

All those guys are 6 feet plus, close to 200 pounds and ran fast at the combine. (In Browns case, he dominate the other events after running a 4.5).

All those guys have also been on our radar other than Dowling.

I think all signs point towards a pretty basic strategy early...Find Asomugha's replacement.

[Langlier]

Colin Kaepernick/Trade up

[fade2black24]

I really like Curtis Brown. I think he has a ton of ability and alot of experience against top competition. He can jam receivers and will fit in nicely in a mostly man scheme.

For the record, I wouldn't go anywhere near another CB in the 2nd round. Unless, Jimmy Smith fell but that just won't happen.

I'm not crazy about any of the OT prospects in the 2nd round. I do like Demarcus Love out of Arkansas and Lee Ziemba out of Auburn. Both guys may wind up being solid RT's but I believe both guys can be had in the 3rd round. Jason Pinkston out of Pittsburgh is also an intriguing prospect. My favorite RT prospect is Marcus Gilbert out of Florida. No way in the world I'd take him in the 2nd round. He's a 3rd round grade for me.

Orlando Franklin is overrated. Ben Ijalana seems better suited for G but most people have him as a tackle.

Basically, I am looking for tackles in the 3rd round.

At guard, I really like Danny Watkins. Would love it if he fell to us. I know he won't and if he did, doubt we draft him. Marcus Cannon is an intriguing prospect. For me, I don't feel that great about him. I think he's too heavy. He lacks instincts and he may not have the mean streak you'd like from a guy his size. I don't know guys but I'm not a big Marcus Cannon fan.

I know alot of you guys are big Jon Moffit and Zach Hurd fans. I agree with you. Both guys are instriguing guard prospects. Especially since they are both mid round prospects. I am definitely looking to grab a guard in rounds 4 or 5. No earlier. I also like Keith Williams out of Nebraska and I like Bryant Browning out of Ohio State as 5th to 7th round prospects. I know the team scouted Bryant Browning and I dig it. He'll be a guy who can develop into a pretty good guard. Definitely not a guy who can start week 1 but maybe within the next year or two. Can't complain for a guy who is probably going to go in the later rounds.

Wouldn't go anywhere near Stefen Wisniewski until the 4th round. I may think about him in the 3rd but much more prefer thre 4th. Just don't know how good he's actually going to be in the NFL. Seems to me he will be just above average. I'd rather take a tackle in the 3rd round.

A 2nd round sleep prospect for me is Martez Wilson. I love the guy and think he'd be a great addition to the linebacker group. He is a tremendous prospect and would bolster our front 7. I also would take a flyer on Bruce Carter if he fell into the 3rd round. Kid can play the game. Allen Bailey is another guy I really like. Can never have enough DL guys. I know its not a position of need but he could be the BPA. Very controversial pick but I like him. He could end up starting when Lamar Houston gets moved inside to DT. Kelly and Seymour aren't getting any younger. Houston will be needed at DT very shortly.

Lastly, I do like Colin Kaepernick. I wouldn't disagree with a trade up for him. Of course, I wouldn't sell the farm to get him but I like the idea of drafting a QB of the future. Yes it is scary that the Raiders may want to develop a qb. I may be optimistic, but I believe in Hue Jackson. I believe we have the pieces together to win now and I think we have a good head coach in place. I believe we can make another Gruden like run and win the division a few years in a row.

As we all know, Jason Campbell will never be a pro bowl quarterback. I think he'll do average next year. Let Jason give it a go next year and then hand it over to Colin for the future. Who knows, maybe Jason is the guy. Only time will tell.

[hawaiianboy]

I agree with what Byron is saying... there is no one that really screams "Al" that late... Kaepernick has a strong baseball arm and speed, but I don't think he's there as far as throwing the ball vertically... I personally don't find the corners or safeties to be "special"... Allen Bailey comes the closet I think because he has a freak body that is going to look great coming off the bus, but we already have a similar player in Houston who is much better on the field...

Hopefully the lack of someone with the kind of pizazz that usually gives Al draft day boners means we'll look to load up early on some lunch pail type O-line grinders... Give me the guys that have been 3 or 4 year college starters even if their ceiling isn't considered great as long as the attitude is there... Take Wiz in RD2 and Moffitt in RD3 and then go fishing for the size/speed Al athletes... The only guy I really would be excited about trading up for is Carimi... Otherwise it seems like a good draft to maybe move back and pick up another 4th or whatever...

[007]

I agree with what Byron is saying... there is no one that really screams "Al" that late... Kaepernick has a strong baseball arm and speed, but I don't think he's there as far as throwing the ball vertically... I personally don't find the corners or safeties to be "special"... Allen Bailey comes the closet I think because he has a freak body that is going to look great coming off the bus, but we already have a similar player in Houston who is much better on the field...

Hopefully the lack of someone with the kind of pizazz that usually gives Al draft day boners means we'll look to load up early on some lunch pail type O-line grinders... Give me the guys that have been 3 or 4 year college starters even if their ceiling isn't considered great as long as the attitude is there... Take Wiz in RD2 and Moffitt in RD3 and then go fishing for the size/speed Al athletes... The only guy I really would be excited about trading up for is Carimi... Otherwise it seems like a good draft to maybe move back and pick up another 4th or whatever...

While you make good points, you have to remember, we're drafting at 48 this year instead of 4 or 8 like the last ten years...

The guys with elite skill sets that scream "Raiders" like Solder, Julio Jones, Pat Peterson, Nick Fairley and Tyron Smith are top 10 or 20 picks. We all know Davis would have a boner sitting at the five spot and deciding between an elite penetrator like Fairley or a 6-1 220 CB with 4.3 speed like Peterson...

Once you get outside the top half of round one though its where you really need to get your shit in order.

[Byron2112]

Davon House, Curtis Marsh, Van Dyke, Curtis Brown, Ras I Dowling.


Yeah, those are contenders, but none really has "Raider speed"('cept Dowling who I don't think will fall), which I believe Al is going to want at corner with that premium a pick...I certainly don't believe Al would ever select a CB at this point in the draft who runs slower than near 4.4 flat... Dyke is just a crummy player who I have a hard time understanding would go any higher than Sam Shields.

All those guys are lacking the Al seal of approval one way or another IMO, although House and Marsh are pretty close I spose...

Colin Kaepernick/Trade up

Definitely an Al athlete, though Like you said, would require a draft position adjustment to be in play.


I'm not crazy about any of the OT prospects in the 2nd round. I do like Demarcus Love out of Arkansas and Lee Ziemba out of Auburn. Both guys may wind up being solid RT's but I believe both guys can be had in the 3rd round. Jason Pinkston out of Pittsburgh is also an intriguing prospect. My favorite RT prospect is Marcus Gilbert out of Florida. No way in the world I'd take him in the 2nd round. He's a 3rd round grade for me.

Orlando Franklin is overrated. Ben Ijalana seems better suited for G but most people have him as a tackle.

Basically, I am looking for tackles in the 3rd round.

Most guys aren't the nasty run blocker we seem to be looking for... I also agree that Franklin is a bit overrated, but I like him. I think he's an Al guy. He's huge and pretty quick, nasty, has long arms and huge mitts(like me :D )... he can get push in the run game, and at worst could be a stud guard if we can't develop him into RT... but if Walker could eventually play well there, IMO Franklin could man the spot. Problem is I don't think he's gonna be there in the 3rd for us, and #48 is prolly too high for him... matter fact it seems most OT prospect seem to be 2nd-3rd round tweeners where we either reach or lose out...

At guard, I really like Danny Watkins. Would love it if he fell to us. I know he won't and if he did, doubt we draft him. Marcus Cannon is an intriguing prospect. For me, I don't feel that great about him. I think he's too heavy. He lacks instincts and he may not have the mean streak you'd like from a guy his size. I don't know guys but I'm not a big Marcus Cannon fan.

Agree with everything you said about Cannon, also see alotta mocks putting him with the Cowboys, and that does seem like a good fit, so he prolly wouldn't be there anyway.

Dunno about Watkins... didn't test lights out, and not sure if Al would go for his age situation...

Wouldn't go anywhere near Stefen Wisniewski until the 4th round. I may think about him in the 3rd but much more prefer thre 4th. Just don't know how good he's actually going to be in the NFL. Seems to me he will be just above average. I'd rather take a tackle in the 3rd round.

I'm down for Wiz in the 3rd... the way he's all over boards from 2nd round to 4th, it's hard to know exactly what the real value is there... but I just don't see him as an Al Davis type prospect for that second round pick.


A 2nd round sleep prospect for me is Martez Wilson. I love the guy and think he'd be a great addition to the linebacker group. He is a tremendous prospect and would bolster our front 7.

I could definitely see Al diggin' on Wilson, he's such a sick athlete, and would complete that really big, athletic LB corp we seem to be after, and I wouldn't have too much problem with that pick, but I just have a hard time believing a LB like that is gonna fall to us. There are so many other teams that have much more dire need of help at LB than the Raiders... particularly if they want this guy in the middle.


Allen Bailey comes the closet I think because he has a freak body that is going to look great coming off the bus...

Just watched him drill at the combine again... guy is ridiculous

Hopefully the lack of someone with the kind of pizazz that usually gives Al draft day boners means we'll look to load up early on some lunch pail type O-line grinders... Give me the guys that have been 3 or 4 year college starters even if their ceiling isn't considered great as long as the attitude is there... Take Wiz in RD2 and Moffitt in RD3 and then go fishing for the size/speed Al athletes... The only guy I really would be excited about trading up for is Carimi... Otherwise it seems like a good draft to maybe move back and pick up another 4th or whatever...

Well, I hope so too. Really a dream draft for me would be Franklin at #2 and Wiz in the 3rd... at least we'd know we got two starters there. Franklin, may not be perfect, but at least gives Al some upside, which I just know he's gonna want at #48... at the very least the guy would be pretty nasty between VH and Wiz. Would help settle some of this speculation if we knew where the hell they're gonna play Campbell...

I'm sure Al's biggest sweat is the secondary, but I agree with you, this seems the worst draft at safety I can recall, and those corners just don't test up to the standards Al has set with his recent picks at the position... not sure 4th,5th,6th rated CB's in the draft are all gonna make it 50 picks with the needs in this League anyhow...

[Madturk]

I don't see what you guys don't like about Cannon. He's huge, strong as an ox and athletic for his size. Probably would be able to start at RT or better yet RG immediately IMO. Kind of guy that Hue would want on this OL.

That being said, Al doesn't place nearly as much importance in his OL than he does his cb's. I have to figure if one of the second tier corners is available, then he'll probably pull the trigger. I'm ok with that as long as we go OL the next two picks. Still will be some good quality guys out there.

[Postmaster]

Guys, guys don't worry. I will have my Lil Al entry up this weekend and all your questions will be answered.

[BigTron]

Al is gonna trade up with the Pats and select Jimmy Smith. But only if he falls far enough... bet it!

[fade2black24]

I don't see what you guys don't like about Cannon. He's huge, strong as an ox and athletic for his size. Probably would be able to start at RT or better yet RG immediately IMO. Kind of guy that Hue would want on this OL.

That being said, Al doesn't place nearly as much importance in his OL than he does his cb's. I have to figure if one of the second tier corners is available, then he'll probably pull the trigger. I'm ok with that as long as we go OL the next two picks. Still will be some good quality guys out there.

Cannon is definitely a large, powerful lineman. The problem I have with him is essentially his technique. I question whether he will be able to overpower professional DL like he can in college. Is he smart enough to play OL in the nfl? Is he diciplined enough to keep that weight down? Those are the issues I have with him at the moment. For a guy as big and atheltic as he appears to be, why is he only getting a 2nd round grade? What gives?

I'm skeptical.

[BigTron]

QB - only CK, Locker or Mallet would be Al's pick at #48. After hearing Al Davis talk about Campbell like a lustful teenager I doubt we draft one early. He see's us as "set" at that position and will likely get us a vet in FA and fill a more pressing need.

RB - DMC ... nuff said. Not in Rnd 2.

WR - I dont see a physical freak who can steal snaps away from any of our current physical freak WR's Al Davis loves... WR is not an option in RNd2 IMO.

TE - Some people think Kyle Rudolph might slip and we could find a cheap gem at TE. I think we will Re-Sign Miller bc he wants to be here. So I think we will pass on any TE's and draft a pass catcher later. Rudolph will be gone anyway. (Rob Housler Rnd4 might be hard for AL to pass)

OL - I think most of us would like to go OL here unless we see a legit starter slip at CB. LT is the hardest position to find... so we go that going for us (Caddyshack) Finding interior line-man and RT's is suppose to be easier in the later rounds correct? Lets fucking hope so. Pencil in your favorite POWERFUL MASSIVE OL right here. I think AD is looking for a big guy. If the power guys go early I could see us waiting until round 3/4. Please AL... dont ignore the fact that many teams bring just as much pass rush off the RT and draft a run blocker type RT. I find that is one of the stupidest things football fans tend to do is under appreciate what kind of pass rushers RT have to face. And the extra man you need to help them if they cant handle it.... i digress.

DL - Here is the wildcard. Where BPA might come into play. This draft is stocked with DL and someone rated highest on our big board like M.Austin or A.Clayborn may drop. You can never have to many DL and keeping the old guys like Sey, TK and Hendo fresh is key. Houston can move inside if a DE falls. However we do still have T.Scott who people seem to forget about. I think we will draft a pass rushing DE at some point. Unless someone really strong falls I think we will pass DL.

LB - The only guy I can see us drafting is B.Carter. Dr.James Andrews says he is on track for TC. If he falls he would complete our front 7. This guy has top 15 talents and can pass cover. Sign me up.

DB - House, Ras 1, one of the guys from Texas... I think this is where Al Davis is most likely to draft a DB. We need a starter opposite of Routt. I could totally see us trading up to the first pick with of Rnd2 with the Patriots for Jimmy Smith should he slip out of round one. I think Al Davis is going to stress filling this 2nd CB spot like a mofo. If we dont draft one early that means we will go full press on Nnamdi, Cro or J.Joseph or enter the trade market/slim FA market. This position is getting filled with a legit starter on paper IMO. So I only suspect we draft someone who we can pencil in at CB#2 day one.
I see plenty of guys Al will draft later in the draft btw, just not many I think he will feel comfotable starting (Carmichael, Van Dyke, Chekwe etc)

[Byron2112]

I don't see what you guys don't like about Cannon. He's huge, strong as an ox and athletic for his size. Probably would be able to start at RT or better yet RG immediately IMO. Kind of guy that Hue would want on this OL.

I don't hate him, I just think he's pretty over weight and they say he isn't nasty on the field, so that stuff kinda curbs my enthusiasm...

I guess if those things weren't true he'd be a guaranteed 1st rounder though eh...

[Sleet]

I don't hate him, I just think he's pretty over weight and they say he isn't nasty on the field, so that stuff kinda curbs my enthusiasm...

I guess if those things weren't true he'd be a guaranteed 1st rounder though eh...

We'll have several choices at 48, both at OL and CB. If we go OL, and that OL is Cannon, I'll be happy. Sure he has issues, but that is where coaching and scheme come into play. There is a lot to work with there. But with Campbell and Cannon on the OL, that might be the dumbest duo on a starting NFL OL. Basic power running game.

[Byron2112]

We'll have several choices at 48, both at OL and CB. If we go OL, and that OL is Cannon, I'll be happy. Sure he has issues, but that is where coaching and scheme come into play. There is a lot to work with there. But with Campbell and Cannon on the OL, that might be the dumbest duo on a starting NFL OL. Basic power running game.

yeah, I guess since we're not picking in the first round, whoever we choose with that first pick is gonna be some sort of compromise...

[RaiderJF]

Looks like "Old Man" Willie Brown will be announcing our 2nd round pick. Coincidence or further indication that Al plans to go cb with that pick????

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

I'm not sure if he'll be there but Leonard Hankerson could be a good darkhorse. He could be a great fit opposite Ford.

[NIPS]

Would you agree our OL played decent last year?

Not great, but certainly not bad- they did a good job

Only player not coming back is Gallery

And I personally believe the staff is satisfied with Loper taking that spot by evidence of his solid play in place of the injuried Gallery

I'd take my chances on Wiz in rd 4-

It's a known fact Als got the stiffy for Bruce Campbell and he'll demand he get in on that line somewhere- I was hoping he'd be our future RT, because he has all the tools- long arms, fast feet etc..

I think the weakest link on this OL is the RT postion

2nd rd - Jah Reid <-- dudes got a nasty initial punch, great feet- tall, strong- he's gonna have a long career in the NFL

Raiders would finally have thier bookneds for a few years- a young guard in Campbell and perhaps they land another guard in the draft

[Langlier]

I think your boy Jah Reid lasts till the 3rd if not longer. lots of "not elite but close" guys in this draft that go ahead of him. Heck I don't even think he's going to hear his name until the last day if at all

[NIPS]

I think your boy Jah Reid lasts till the 3rd if not longer. lots of "not elite but close" guys in this draft that go ahead of him. Heck I don't even think he's going to hear his name until the last day if at all

*Mustard- which eye do you prefer rook?" :D

Dudes like fuckin Bigfoot

Dig dude.. he's a sure fire pick- no doubt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-uDjhOwtV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2iO4QmekOY

[Langlier]

if you say so dude. I don't see it.

[NIPS]

if you say so dude. I don't see it.

Opinions are like assholes right?

I like brunettes, you like blondes

You like gay digital, I'm a analog guy

Mayock likes fags and Kiper likes midget women with flat heads

It's all subjective.. right?

[hawaiianboy]

It happened so late this year that I was getting worried... but now in what has become an annual draft tradition, our boy Nips has declared his love for someone (no homo)...

Now the draft season can really commence... Let's get it on...

[NIPS]

It happened so late this year that I was getting worried... but now in what has become an annual draft tradition, our boy Nips has declared his love for someone (no homo)...

Now the draft season can really commence... Let's get it on...

*spanks HB with horse whip*

"Giddy up bro... "

[fade2black24]

I sorta agree with NIPS.

Jah Reid is an intriguing prospect. At 6'7 325 lbs, he is a massive prospect. He appears to have alot of potential to play RT in the NFL as NIPS stated. For his size, he is very athletic. The problem with big Jah is that he is very RAW. To put it simply, we should not draft big Jah in the 2nd round. It is simply far too early for a player this raw. Jah Reid is a guy that will be there in the 4th or 5th round.

I'd wait on him a bit.